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The same generation that those people who objected to theft by the King of England were also a generation that went and banded together to defend each others property from bands of Indians, from pirates, etc. As you pointed out, they hung horsethieves.
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It is important to point out the distinction between theft and robbery. The example you use is robbery. The taking by the use of force against a person. Repelling attacks against pirates or "indians" meant an armed attack.
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Obviously, they considered property of more value than you do. And the franchise related to that value(btw, women had the right to vote in some states when the Constitution was signed. Same for free blacks). Personally, I think universal sufferage is one of the great stupidities of modern America. If a person can't be bothered to provide some basic service to their nation (whether it is property ownership, service or taxpaying), why should they have a voice in the running of the nation?
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Basing arguments in a debate on the merits of practices and customs long ago cast aside as barbaric, elitist and ignorant is futile in my humble opinion.
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I'm just curious what qualifies you to judge someone else's ideas of what is right and wrong and decide that your opinion of what is right is the criteria for a statement about someone's mental state (which is how I read your comment on the subject's values and his "wiring")? To decide (on the basis of limited information) that a man committed murder?
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My opinion was nothing more than a perfunctory review of the limited facts and an assumption based on that review. It was certainly not intended to offend those with opposing opinions.
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I draw the line where I individually choose. I don't suggest that I should tell you where to draw the line. Theft is theft.
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You might draw the line where you chose, such as Mr Horn, and be subjected to the law of the land. I do not determine the line, the law determines that line. You are absolutely correct, theft is theft, and how we as a society deal with a thief has long ago been settled. Go against those laws and you suffer the consequences.