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Originally Posted by lksteve
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society,
i would opine that weapons, in general, and guns, in particular, make civilization possible...
just brief digression...life in Mogadishu wasn't all that violent (which is to say it was violent enough) until a decision was made at echelons way above me to disarm the locals...it was dangerous having all these armed folk about, or so the powers that be (not me) thought...so some taxpayers' money was spent and we started buying back guns (along with printing some really spiffy propaganda leaflets)...the folks that had their hearts set on peace came by in numbers sufficient enough to make the grown-ups happy that we had a successful program and that soon one could walk down the streets of Mogoville unthreatened...we had a hold-out in the JPOTF, the guy that did the prayer calls for Radio Rajo...he was did news, weather and was the DJ for what little music was played...he opined that he carried his weapon for protection, but at some length was convinced by our battalion commander to give up his gun...
i was the lucky SOB that got to put what was left of his body in a garbage bag (figuratively speaking) and return his remains to his family...he was killed for the grocery bag of Somali currency he was paid for his gun...
if i'm lyin', i'm dyin...
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Although I cannot speak for Somalia, I can speak for most "Amnesty" programs that have taken place in the U.S. Put simply..............they are poor programs refreshed over and over by simple minded politicians that lack a true understanding of the nature of the criminals and what our Marine in this article has brought to our attention. Persuasion and Force. While I agree with the article by our Marine I have to take one exception to the writing. It's an ideological writing that will never win a debate with any liberal democrat insistant on taking guns and amending the 2nd Amendment. "Amnesty Programs" have little if any real impact on reducing crime by offering money in exchange for a working firearm and allowing the criminal to walk out the door with a gift certicate to Wal Mar. here in Cincinnati they hailed the "Amnesty Program" as some sort of "Out of the box" thinking by our local mayor. We have yet to hear how many actual working firearms have been turned in during this program. I suspect that it was not worth mentioning since criminals with guns do not want to part with their tool of business.
The Brady Campaign against Violence has yet to provide any quantifiable study using data from any UCR or USDOJ statistics suggesting that mantras or slogans if you like, such as "More guns equal more crime" or "If you have a gun your more likely to use it" have any if little substance to their rantings. Try reading the Brady's front page of their website. You'll find it so dirty that you'll need a bath afterwords just feel like an American again. Much like taking a pill to get your blood pressure back to normal.
I refuse to debate with any liberal anti gun democrat. They will not listen to reason, they ignore any data that is not in line with agenda, and the debate generally ends with an insult that purports to call gun owners crazy "gun nuts" and that we are somehow of a lesser breed and lack intelligence. In fact, I believe that those of us with a carry concealed permit are of a more mature and responisble cross section of the populus. Those permit holders that I personally associate with are men and women that are gainfully employed, they are paying taxes, have family's, and rarely if ever engage in otherwise risky behaviors. I would go so far as to say that those carry concealed permit holders that I have had the privlege of friendship are more conciously aware of the the smaller crimes, such as speeding, a bit more than those that are not concealed carry permit holders. Most the opposite as I find these individuals notof the ilk to find themselves in a seedy bar late at night in a rather unimpressive area of town. Their in bed at night like most responsible adults.
"An armed society is a polite society" You bet it is ! As our Marine writes in the article, their is only two way's for a criminal and me to resolve his business transaction. Persuasion or force. If force is the chosen action, then I will deliver force as well with an equalizer. However, remember that the sheep of the liberal democratic ilk are still under the impression that rolling up in the corner of your own home and complying with the criminals demands is a better alternative to force ond force action. Personally I'm going to choose to stand my ground, as dictated in recent legislation here in Kentucky, and if necessary spill blood all over my tile floors or carpet in defense of my home and or others.
There's one problem with this writing. It too ideological and lacks the requisite data that will leave the anti gun proponent with out a proper response to your facts. I'd rather debate armed with facts from data such UCR's or USDOJ statistics to make points than anything ideological in nature. Winning a debate with someone of the Brady Compaign ilk will not go smooth without asking them to give quantifiable proof that "More guns equal more crime" Ask them to give your quantifiable data from any source to prove this mantra and they will start to squirm in their seats seeking a decent answer that will generally lead to an insult thus getting the debate into an escalated exchange of finger pointing. There useless and they support disarming you and me and allowing the evil to creep into our basements, our bedrooms and our bank accounts.
"On criminals will have guns" if guns are outlawed. This may be true, but the anti gun proponents do not get it ! Their agenda is not in any way, shape, or form to protect the public it is the larger agenda too disarm the public, to continure their agenda, and to have all of us under control.