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OJ - Thanks for the brain teaser. Looks like KCCP wins this one. I should have done better myself. IIRC the .30 Tokarev got a lot of attention a few years ago when large quantities of cheap pistols (TT-33s and CHICOM copies) became available from importers just because of this penetrator round and fears it would "blow right through" soft body armor. I don't recall that those fears were ever realized. Peregrino
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