Thread: Ed Koch op-ed
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Old 01-02-2007, 15:22   #17
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1. -George Bush is a hero to me because he has courage. The President does what he believes to be in the best interest of the United States. He sticks with his beliefs, no matter how intense the criticism and invective that are directed against him every day.

2. -The enormous defeat President Bush suffered with the loss of both Houses of Congress has not caused him to retreat from his position that the U.S. alone now stands between a radical Islamic takeover of many of the world's governments in the next 30 or more years. If that takeover occurs, we will suffer an enslavement that will threaten our personal freedoms and take much of the world back into the Dark Ages.

3. -This will give support to my proposal, advanced nearly a year ago, that we tell our allies, regional and NATO, that we are getting out of Iraq unless they come in. That may well work, and they will come in, in large part and share the casualties of combat and the financial costs of war.

4. -For me, staying is clearly preferable, provided we are not alone and are joined by our regional and NATO allies, aggressively taking on the difficult but necessary task of destroying radical Islam and its terrorist agenda if we don't want to see radical Islam destroy the Western world and moderate Arab states over the next generation, or as long as it takes for them to succeed.

5. -It won't be easy to implement this proposal. But President Bush has courage. Now is the time to use it.
1. -Would Dennis Kucinich then be a hero if he were president and stuck to his beliefs no matter how half-baked they are?

2. -How does democracy prevent "radical Islamic takeover of the world's governments"? Couldn't Islamists win elections?
-How does democracy help Mubarak and Musharraf who are holding back these "evil doers" as best they can given the circumstances? Couldn't it undermine them?
-How does cutting contact and threatening the Syrians even though they have helped us against AQ and could have helped stem the flow of insurgents in Iraq because they have an interest in a stable Iraq help America?
-How does ignoring our oil dependency and thereby some would say financing of terrorism prevent "enslavement that will threaten our personal freedoms and take much of the world back into the Dark Ages."?

3. - Countries don't have allies/friends they have interests, how is it in the interest of other nations?

4. - Why didn't we do this in the first place? We said we "didn't want the coalition to dictate the mission, we wanted the mission to dictate the coalition". Other nations especially the Europeans do not see this as black and white as the president, why do we expect them to see it this way now?

5. - Courage and idealism certainly have their time and place, when are they good substitutes for cold detached cunningness and realism?

I have nothing but respect for our men and women in uniform. I worked on the President's campaign and have a great deal of respect for him and Mr. Koch. But must disagree with the article, and some of our efforts on the political end, this is the civilian side, my side, and I cant help but think I/we are not on the level with the armed forces here.

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