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Old 04-06-2004, 13:04   #2
NousDefionsDoc
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Ok RL, first of all, welcome back. We were getting ready to send out a one man ambush to look for you.

I will expound and discuss, if you are willing. All of this is just my opinion.

What I think we are seeing is the beginning of a revolution in geopolitical affairs. If you look, most of the conflicts today, both military and economic, are what I consider to be tribal. National identity does not hold nearly the sway it once did, even in the US and England.

The people on this board are fast becoming the exception, rather than the rule. Let's take the US for example. There are numerous complaints, including here, of such things as :
Teaching other than English in schools
New citizens no longer know as much about US history (including native born).
Ethnic groups tend to congregate together and maintain as much of the concepts of their original heritage as possible.
English is no longer a requirement to be successful in the US (survive).
Immigration increases daily.
etc.
We have discussed the solution to the Mexican immigration issue - so goes Mexico, so goes the southern US.

Canada appears to owe more allegiance to the UK and Phrance than the US and Mexico, yet they share almost nothing in common with europe other than a historical tie through the royalty.

Now, look at Iraq - the country is basically divided up into three areas as far as I can tell. I don't hear anybody but us talking about Iraqis (nation state). I hear them talking about Kurds, Shi'ites, Sunnis, etc. (security communities - albeit religious orientation in the latter two cases).

Palestinians are mostly Jordanian and Syrian by nationality. Jordan is over half Palestinian. Yet there is no Palestinian nation state. There is however, a Palestinian security community.

Kurds - Iraq, Iran, Turkey that I know of. Not one nation state, but generally one security community. I realize the Iraqi Kurds don't have much in common with the others.

Israelis - more Jewish people live in the US nation state than in the Jewsih nation state - yet they feel part of the Jewish security community and suffer the same persecution when traveling.

EU - I think they are launching an economic war against us to take us down from being the world's only superpower. Not as Phrench or Germans, but as members of the European security community.

LATAM - they are banding together, with Brazil wanting to be the leader, to offset the US power and influence in the region. IMO, following the EU model.

I don't know that much about Asia, so I don't know if it is happening there or not.

I admit it will take years and may never happen. National allegiance is still very strong in many places, including the US. Another reason it may not happen is in fighting.

But it is also happening as we speak in some places. If you go to the Ecuador-Colombia border or the Venezuela-Colombia border, you will see it. The people there have inter-married, they or more commonly their children hold dual citizenships and they cross the borders like it isn't even there. Even their accents are inter-mingled. I imagine the same is happening in Argentina-Chile, etc.

Many of the nation state boundaries are artificial and drawn up as giving out pieces of the pies to the victors from various wars. The security community boundaries appear to me to be much more logical and workable, as the people tend to share much more in common that simply national identity.

Of course I could be wrong.
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