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07-07-2006, 07:40

This is an EXCELLENT thread, PERIOD! Thanks TR for bringing this up!

Here are some of my thoughts on the subject.

In this area of the country in which I live in, civil disorders, unrest, mobs, and riots are all the same for us. Oour rule is to use CS on them when the first object gets thrown at us, no exceptions. We cannot afford to let it happen twice as the "mob" will pick up on this immediately. For example, we all remember when the NG was down in the practice field at Kent State and a few of them aimed their M-1's at the closest individuals. Because they didn't fire, the instigators stated out loud that "the pigs guns aren't loaded" over and over again. We al know that this wasn't true and the final tally was Kent 0 NG 4. In our case CS is a force multiplier and when we throw one canister of CS and a HC greande along with it, the CS has a tendency to cling onto the HC and actually increase the effects of the CS two-fold. Now for some advice from my standpoint as a LEO. We cannot protect everybody in our jurisdiction, PERIOD! If a disaster strikes we will definately try, but believe me when I tell you that priorities are just that. We will try and get to you as soon as we can but remember, we will be taqking longer than usual depending on the disaster. Therefore, it is my belief and my advice to all of you, don't count on us to be there when the rounds start firing. Most of those rounds will be aimed at us and that kinda takes up allot of our time. So...arm yourself with a shotgun and/or a rifle and protect you and your loved ones. We will tag the body later and have it removed. I say this because during a disaster, there are three kinds of people: 1) Predators, 2) Prey, and 3) the Protectors. The first two are self explanatory, the third is all of us here on this site. Hopefully most of us here will also protect the ones who cannot help themselves on top of our own family. I am not sure what gun shows are like anywhere else in the country but around here we have guys who sell CS to just about anybody (Note: We have not had a single incident where a CS canister was used in a public place). I have one in my vehicle along with an HC. I call both of them together my "Anti Reginald Denny kit". I reccommend everybody here do the same. I live near a National Park so my distances where "contact" could be made with a Predator can be anywhere from 25 meters all the way up to 300+ meters (if need be though). Like I think TR stated before, just how much of a threat is a person that far away anyways (MAB's paraphrase)? We all have to remember that we do not want to bring any needless attention to ourselves in the first place. So opening up on a fella at 300 meters just because he is carrying a pistol is just foolish. However, if he spotted you first and decided that his scoped "deer slayer" rifle could take you out and he fired first, well then it is a no brainer.

One other thought. I am going out on a very big limb here over the Cuyahoga River (yes, this is the river that caught fire years ago!) . Remember this: "When asked if you have any firearms tell them NO, I sold them at a few gunshows a while back, or, I lost it duck hunting." I think you all get the picture. The above is just my personal belief when it comes to disasters and some past experiences while on the job. Take it for what it is worth and remember "We cannot be there for everybody, therefore people are going to die, don't be one of them."

07-07-2006, 07:40	#162
MAB32 Guest Posts: n/a	This is an EXCELLENT thread, PERIOD! Thanks TR for bringing this up! Here are some of my thoughts on the subject. In this area of the country in which I live in, civil disorders, unrest, mobs, and riots are all the same for us. Oour rule is to use CS on them when the first object gets thrown at us, no exceptions. We cannot afford to let it happen twice as the "mob" will pick up on this immediately. For example, we all remember when the NG was down in the practice field at Kent State and a few of them aimed their M-1's at the closest individuals. Because they didn't fire, the instigators stated out loud that "the pigs guns aren't loaded" over and over again. We al know that this wasn't true and the final tally was Kent 0 NG 4. In our case CS is a force multiplier and when we throw one canister of CS and a HC greande along with it, the CS has a tendency to cling onto the HC and actually increase the effects of the CS two-fold. Now for some advice from my standpoint as a LEO. We cannot protect everybody in our jurisdiction, PERIOD! If a disaster strikes we will definately try, but believe me when I tell you that priorities are just that. We will try and get to you as soon as we can but remember, we will be taqking longer than usual depending on the disaster. Therefore, it is my belief and my advice to all of you, don't count on us to be there when the rounds start firing. Most of those rounds will be aimed at us and that kinda takes up allot of our time. So...arm yourself with a shotgun and/or a rifle and protect you and your loved ones. We will tag the body later and have it removed. I say this because during a disaster, there are three kinds of people: 1) Predators, 2) Prey, and 3) the Protectors. The first two are self explanatory, the third is all of us here on this site. Hopefully most of us here will also protect the ones who cannot help themselves on top of our own family. I am not sure what gun shows are like anywhere else in the country but around here we have guys who sell CS to just about anybody (Note: We have not had a single incident where a CS canister was used in a public place). I have one in my vehicle along with an HC. I call both of them together my "Anti Reginald Denny kit". I reccommend everybody here do the same. I live near a National Park so my distances where "contact" could be made with a Predator can be anywhere from 25 meters all the way up to 300+ meters (if need be though). Like I think TR stated before, just how much of a threat is a person that far away anyways (MAB's paraphrase)? We all have to remember that we do not want to bring any needless attention to ourselves in the first place. So opening up on a fella at 300 meters just because he is carrying a pistol is just foolish. However, if he spotted you first and decided that his scoped "deer slayer" rifle could take you out and he fired first, well then it is a no brainer. One other thought. I am going out on a very big limb here over the Cuyahoga River (yes, this is the river that caught fire years ago!) . Remember this: "When asked if you have any firearms tell them NO, I sold them at a few gunshows a while back, or, I lost it duck hunting." I think you all get the picture. The above is just my personal belief when it comes to disasters and some past experiences while on the job. Take it for what it is worth and remember "We cannot be there for everybody, therefore people are going to die, don't be one of them."