[CharlesArbuckle]

Originally Posted by swatsurgeon

Charles,
for people following this thread.....the makeup of the bullet is not on trial here.

Yes it is. The manufacturer's basis for this bullet is "new bullet technology". Its not. Its off the shelf varmint bullets. Noboady here would support a weapon manufacturer that lies and/or uses false advertising, yet people are doing exactly that with LaMas.


The effects in tissue, unexplained by gel testing, is the featured item.
I do not care what it is made of, how it is made or what the name or hype has been. The ammuntion I fired, saw fired, compared to 'conventional' ammunition acts differently in tissue than what is predicted by a simulant that demonstrates it can not adequately/accurately test this ammo for a "gel to tissue correlation" that the average ammo can adequately predict.
When the model doesn't fit, we change the model to exploit the effects that it can't demonstrate.

The point is LaMas uses bullets that were desinged in ballistic geletin. So anyone stating that they can not "adequately/accurately test this ammo for a "gel to tissue correlation" is off there rocker.

Please do not insult me with the metallurgic facts that have no bearing on the commentary I wrote or the facts being discussed. I have no malice toward anyone that questions, with a reasonable argument, the facts presented, i.e., it acts differently in tissue than in gel and that because of this, it has not received the appropriate testing and attention to it's incapacitation potential simply because of a report of ballistic gelatin characteristics.

Then please do not insult me by ignoring the fact that it acts exactly like those same off the shelf bullets when driven at the same velocity. I have seen LaMas ammo fired right next to the same ballistic tip bullets fired at the same velocity (22-250 and 220Swift) with the exact same performance. All this is a moot point for us, as LaMas ammo is not legal for land warfare use, and never will be. If someone wants that type of performance thats not in the US military, fine. Go buy varmint ammo or get componets and reload over pressure rounds, instead of supporting a company that outright lies .

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