[The Reaper]

Odd Job:

Welcome to the board.

Some of what you are asking has already been answered by Dr. Vail and others here.

For example, he already stated the number of conventional rounds that he has seen that have failed to perform as intended.

Try doing a search of this site for "LeMas" or "BMT Ammunition" for additional information.

I am a soldier, not a ballistician or a physician, but I will tell you that in the hundres of rounds of LeMas I have fired, all have worked as intended and I have seen no failures except when rounds were completely defeated in hard armor. For example, in four counsecutive live tissue shots on caprines, every bullet functioned exactly the same way. The wounds produced look almost exactly like the ones from Dr. Vail's work and the LeMas promotional materials. I have seen the bullet function across a wide range of velocities, while I am sure that as with all expanding bullets, there is a threshold beyond which the bullet may not function to its full capability, I have not reached that in my experience.

As far as demanding declarations of composition, I am not sure why that would matter to you as long as the ammo works as claimed.

I would also disagree that it is the manufacturer's responsibility to provide a test medium other than ballistic gelatin. The test medium that it is currently performing as claimed in is the desired performance medium; i.e., live tissue. Your statement that the alternate media is a requirement to sell the ammunition may be a requirement for some countries, but terminal performance in live tissue is an entirely adequate demonstration for others.

Appreciate your well-thought out contribution to this discussion.

I wish that the prime detractor of this ammunition would step-up and post during one of his many visits to this site. balpro is Gary Roberts. He does a lot of reading here, but thus far, appears to prefer to let others make his arguments for him.

TR