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Originally Posted by barney_rubble
I'm not in agreement with your assessment of the wounding potential of the 5.7mm v .45; the older technology of the .45 is just that 'old'. 5.7mm is far more effective.
When you cut to the bottom line, shot placement is the key. A .22 LR will do just as good a job at close quarters if you put it in the right place; a .45 in the wrong place will still be ineffective.
My information comes from a 22 year association with weapons, shooting them, trialling them, operational research and learning about what is going on there. Don't make the mistake that others do - it's the UK, what do they know about weapons because they don't have any. The Army is quite flush with them and we know what we are doing.
I'm certainly not going to publish my credentials on the net; anyone here who is stating their past is letting themself wide open under opsec.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. I do not think that the year of development of a specific round or weapon is necessarily indicative of its efficacy. If that were true, the SA 80 would be tremendously better than the FAL, and I do not believe that it is.
Agree on shot placement, which was the point on your other comments about the 5.56 and M-4. If you hit what you are aiming at, it is effective out to several hundred meters. Not too many people walking off head shots, even one where the bullet passes straight through.
If you don't want to state your creds, or send them to an admin, your role in these discussions is going to be seriously limited. All of the QPs here have been vetted as Special Forces personnel, we get a lot of kids and Airsofters joining up and spouting off their opinions as Gospel. This is the internet and if we do not know where you are coming from, we are going to have to treat your information as unvalidated.
You may have noticed that several of us have experience with the 5.7 and its terminal ballistics. If you are not going to back up your claims with data or tell us what real experience you have with it, I am going to have to ask you to stay out of the weapons discussions.
We had a poster a few weeks ago purporting that her son was in a spec ops unit in the British Army and had been extracted from a sticky situation by a U.S. jet bomber snatching his team off the ground with a single Fulton-type recovery system. If her son wants to tell tall tales, fine, but she should not be spreading them around on the internet as true.
BTW, this is an M-1 Garand thread, let's try to stay on topic.
Have a very SF Day.
TR