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NousDefionsDoc 02-24-2004 23:04

Presidents
 
Why do so many come from the South?

Who was the best President and why?

Valhal 02-24-2004 23:33

At least five come to mind for different reasons.
Thomas Jefferson for penciling an incredible document called the Declaration Of Independence

FDR for seeing our country through the great depression and WWII.

George Washington and Abe Lincoln for obvious reasons.

Ronald Reagan for breaking the Soviet's Back.

Just my ignorant opinion.

Notable mention; Clinton for teaching us all a new way of enjoying cigars. :eek:

Gonzo 02-24-2004 23:34

NDD,

Of the 42 US Presidents, only 16 have come from the south (by “the south”, I mean south of the Mason-Dixon). Of those, 9 came from VA. However, the last president to be born there was Woodrow Wilson. Prior to that, it was Zachary Taylor who was president in 1850. The large number of Presidents from VA during the early part of American history is probably due to VA being the political, cultural, and economic center of the country at that time.

As far as who was the best President, I think there is a tie. One is Abraham Lincoln. He kept this country together after the Civil War, arguably the toughest time period in American history. The other is Franklin Roosevelt. Not only did he lead us through the Great Depression with innovative reforms and programs but he was the Commander in Chief through all but the last four months of World War Two.

However, my personal favorite is Teddy Roosevelt.

NousDefionsDoc 02-24-2004 23:44

What I meant by "so many from the South" is because of the population, center of government, elitism from the northeast, etc.

Jimmy Carter wasn't born in the South?

Gonzo 02-25-2004 00:22

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Jimmy Carter wasn't born in the South?
I meant that Woodrow Wilson was the last president to be born in VA. Not that he was the last president born in the South.

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What I meant by "so many from the South" is because of the population, center of government, elitism from the northeast, etc.
I think that being elected President is less a matter of where you are from and more a matter of what you can do. While the population and elitism of the Northeast is a hurdle to candidates from the South, I don’t think that they are as big as they used to be.

Of course, maybe I’m just an idealist….

The Reaper 02-25-2004 06:55

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Originally posted by Gonzo
As far as who was the best President, I think there is a tie. One is Abraham Lincoln. He kept this country together after the Civil War, arguably the toughest time period in American history. The other is Franklin Roosevelt. Not only did he lead us through the Great Depression with innovative reforms and programs but he was the Commander in Chief through all but the last four months of World War Two.

However, my personal favorite is Teddy Roosevelt.

You kids need a history lesson.

While I do not disagree about his supremacy, Lincoln did not survive to see the end of the War Between the States.

FDR was a socialist and is responsible for much of what is wrong with this country today.

Teddy Roosevelt is a personal favorite of mine as well.

TR

NousDefionsDoc 02-25-2004 08:25

Oh sure Reaper, let me dig all the holes, lay out all the Claymores and you get to trip the ambush. LOL

Should have waited until they brought JFK into it.:D

Sacamuelas 02-25-2004 10:14

Let's see... I could step over this little trip wire and go around the flank of all those little metal boxes that say "this side towards enemy", or I could strap a bunch of C4 to my chest and make a charge attack to spur some conversation. :p

I say.. Bill Clinton is the best president in the last five decades. He lowered the deficit, balanced the budget, created NAFTA, reformed medicaid, strengthened the military by trimming the fat, and left a legacy of political victories through negotiation not WAR.

Discuss...... LOL

D9 (RIP) 02-25-2004 10:49

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Originally posted by The Reaper
FDR was a socialist and is responsible for much of what is wrong with this country today.
Hear, hear! He might have been one of the five worst IMO.

Washington was an outstanding President, and helped our fledgling nation navigate in some difficult early years. He also probably could have become King at least once during his tenure and refused, affirming that those who bequeathed to us our liberty did so because they believed in it.

Jefferson was a good president as well, but IMO his best years were as an intellectual and statesman before his presidency.

Team Sergeant 02-25-2004 10:57

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Originally posted by Sacamuelas
I say.. Bill Clinton is the best president in the last five decades. He lowered the deficit, balanced the budget, created NAFTA, reformed medicaid, strengthened the military by trimming the fat, and left a legacy of political victories through negotiation not WAR.


I cannot believe you put that on this website! You going to spit on us next.;)

The only thing worse than slick willy is the witch he refers to as a wife. She is one of the few people on this planet I would NOT piss on if she were on fire.

And I always thought the people of NY were a fairly intelligent crowd.

Team Sergeant

ktek01 02-25-2004 11:17

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Originally posted by Team Sergeant

And I always thought the people of NY were a fairly intelligent crowd.

Team Sergeant

Something in those old NYC voting booths makes their brain's stop working as soon as they step inside. No other way to explain Dinkins, Koch, and Hitlary.

NousDefionsDoc 02-25-2004 11:26

Sacamuelas must want a new user name and title

Team Sergeant 02-25-2004 11:33

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Sacamuelas must want a new user name and title
This is a clear example of "How to Draw Fire."

Sacamuelas 02-25-2004 11:41

True...True.. True
I did enjoy seeing the different responses from the Quiet Professionals.

Almost immediately the Team Sergeant started a "quoting" response, then decided against even giving my post credibility by his response. He was probably in the middle of obtaining coordinates on my location for a UW counterattack right after he takes care of the all female glove makers that Joe thought he needed help with. LOL

After getting his plan organized, then he decided to acknowledge my obvious attempt to be humorous. Replying back with his own, he gave no credibility to my post by offering a serious rebuttal. This was intended to focus me on his diversion(friendly joke), relax my defenses by easing my anticipation, and make his assault that much easier. Nice! LOL

NDD, also picked up on the ambush, decided to respond by attempting to influence the TS into changin my name/title. Thereby eliminating the potential for my accusation of using his God powers in a debate yet still creating the conditions for the same end result. Nice! LOL

Yes, I dislike wild bill as much as the rest of you. FDR started the whole process though. Favorite/best... that is tough. Will have to think about it.

edited- Sorry TS. We haven't gotten enough libs on here to keep things interesting in this type of debate yet. I am going to track Kid A down on that farm. I don;t like having to be the cannon fodder. LOL

edited again, it looks like I saw the avatar for TS and thought it was the Reaper's response when in fact it was the TS. corrections made

CommoGeek 02-25-2004 11:43

Washington for getting this country off and running.

Teddy Roosevelt for starting the US down the road to being a world power. The man had vision.

Lincoln and FDR were among the worst. FDR was a socialist and Lincoln had no use for the Constitution.


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