Army Does Away With Age-Specific Scoring in New Combat Fitness Test
 

Don't disagree, but

What will the expectations be for attached and POG(REMF) slots.
Sounds like there may be different standards?? :munchin

Just for fun, can they be called POG and Infantry standards?

<<<----- POGUS MAXIMUS AQUATICUS
The hardest thing I did was survive 5 deployments on a carrier flight deck.

Exactly, If you're an Inf brigade CO, you have what?? at least 1 BN of REMF's by TO&E and another BN ad-hok attached??

In a conventional unit, these REMF's cascade down-hill to company level??

The idea of us vs them PT standards starts as a FAIL, from the get-go :mad:

PS: Do you have to pass the PT test to go outside the wire?? asking for a friend :]

just another example of "everyone wants to be gangster until its time to do gangster shit"


people belive this drivel because most people have never actually LOOKED at a PT card to see how "equal" it already isn't

...but hey - we're going to make the PT test even more equal than it was before

AND androgynous gender dysphoria non-specific? :eek:

Weren't they disqual'd for mental condition? Oh, wait...

MG Frost is a freakin’ genius! He deserves a special bullet point on his OER.

- In a sweeping sea change MG Malcolm Frost established the first equality test in combat physical standards. Never before in the 242 year history of the Army has such a knowledgeable officer seen the inequality of the current APFT standards by age, sex, and medical allowances for pregnancy, diabetes or temporary disability to include mental disorders. All soldiers in combat MOS will have a pass/fail (with multiple chances over several years to meet the standards applied evenly to anyone and everyone who serves in the United States Army.

- Two standards will be utilized to score soldiers in the same MOS both with a pass/fail criteria where failure is simply a third qualifying standard with approved waivers.

- All soldiers competing for promotion will be judged on the same pass/fail criteria. Those soldiers who barely pass will be judged equally competent to those soldiers who are capable of exceeding the upper limits of the criteria. Regardless of weight, sexual orientation or combat experience. Those who fail to meet the standards will still be allowed to compete for promotion (especially if they belong to any recognized minority group or special interest group) while waiting for final disposition of re-tests over a six-year period.



Why hasn’t some other TRADOC general officer thought of this before?

In what ways is this not merely making official a policy which was already in effect in many units and commands? I know that when I was an infantry officer, we were all rated according to the 17-21 standard, even if the official score in your file reflected your actual age.

I can't remember if there was a separate APFT policy, but as I recall, in Group we had three sets of standards for things like road marches: one for 18-series personnel in command and team slots, one for 18-series in other slots (18Es in the SIGDET, for example), and one for support personnel. Something like 10/8/6 miles in two hours, I think.

That was not an army PT standard. That was an internal SF training requirement. Some may remember SF Stakes rebranded as Validation, and I have no idea what is the new name.....

IIRC that whole thing went the way of the DoDo bird about 2000.

So what he is saying is if E7 11B is a staff guy he will get easier standards but if he is a Platoon daddy he will be penalized with a harder test?

That is a decision that makes no sense.....is he saying that the staff E7 will be in a different competitive pool for E8 than the Platoon E7 though they are both Infantry??? does this dingleberry understand how many eligible board files the board will scrub.....does he think that the board really reads and scrutinizes those records that close?

That’s how I read it.

For what it's worth, SF has an official APFT standard of 240 (80 points per event) vs the Army's 180. That's official, in writing, in the official Army Regs, and can be the basis for kicking dudes out of NCOES courses with TRADOC's blessing. So we're already kind of doing it.

As for the test itself, it's a waaaay better test that actually measures real fitness for ground combat. I made my company do it, and everyone universally agreed it was a good measuring stick for what we do. One psycho actually MAXED the damn thing, which means that he (among other things) deadlifted 400 lbs three times while running two miles in 11:30..... where do we find these guys?

I also strongly agree with eliminating age and gender standards. The bleeding heart crowd has said we're all equal, well, now prove it. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the test, I recommend you check it out. It's an asskicker, verified by 86 SF guys.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that there are now, what about a dozen or so 11A females??

They talk about 60 points min per event, but I looked a little but could not find the point chart. eg is a 100lb deadlift = 60 and 200lb - 100 points??