Bump Stocks, thoughts?
 

Wanna see a bunch of SF soldiers argue? :D


ATF Accepting Public Comment on Backdoor Bump Stock Gun Control
by AWR Hawkins28 Dec 2017

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives is currently accepting public comment on their plans for backdoor bump stock gun control.
On December 22 Breitbart News reported a Department of Justice announcement that the ATF would be seeking to redefine the term “machinegun,” so as to include aftermarket devices that do not convert semiautomatic firearms into fully automatic weapons. As of now, only mechanisms/alterations that truly convert a semi-action into a full-action are governed by the National Firearms Act (1934). The efforts to redefine the term “machinegun” center on new controls for devices that merely “mimic” full auto fire.

The pertinent portion of the DOJ’s announcement:
Those engaged in the business of manufacturing, importing, or dealing in NFA firearms must be registered with the Attorney General. 26 U.S.C. 5801, 5802. When the NFA was enacted in 1934, only a handful of firearms qualified as machineguns, such as the Thompson submachine gun. Over time, however, as firearms technologies have advanced, manufacturers and the public have attempted to develop firearms, triggers, and other devices that permit shooters to use semiautomatic rifles to replicate automatic fire without converting these rifles into “machineguns” within the meaning of the statute. Consequently, questions have arisen about whether these types of devices should be classified as machineguns (or machinegun conversion devices) pursuant to section 5845(b). See, e.g., Internal Revenue Ruling 55-528 (1955) (considering whether types of “Gatling Guns” constitute machineguns); ATF Ruling 2006-2 (examining a firearms accessory device that, when activated by a single pull of the trigger, initiated an automatic firing cycle that continued until release).

TF has issued a number of private letters to individuals and manufacturers who voluntarily submitted such devices for classification under the NFA and GCA. In addition, ATF has promulgated a regulation that defines “machinegun,” See 28 CFR 478.11, but that regulation mirrors the statutory language of the NFA and GCA and provides no further interpretation.
The ATF’s intention to redefine the term “machinegun” was published in the Federal Register on December 26, 2017. The agency is accepting public comments on their plans for backdoor gun control from now until late January.

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...k-gun-control/

Bump Stocks, I've no use for them
 

But then again, I've never used one. And if you want to see very inaccurate fire, then just try full auto.

I'm against American Law Enforcement, federal, state and local from employing fully automatic fire for one and only one reason, it does not discriminate. Fully automatic fire is only useful when employed to kill many targets and it comes from a military machinegun.

And yeah, I'd be the first "expert witness" on a murder trial against law enforcement for employing a fully automatic weapon against human targets.

I think they're pretty much worthless (and I've used one that belonged to a friend of a brother-in-law). They are admittedly a hoot for the range entertainment factor but, oh yeah, worthless.

I do not want ATF re-writing the definition of anything unless they're getting out a big eraser.

I have one succinct comment for the ATF: "Shall not infringe."

I neither want nor need a bump stock, but I also don't want the ATF emboldened to start placing new restrictions on civilian ownership of firearms and accessories.

I have no use for a bump stock. I completely agree with TS on automatic fire. I also have no use for a .500 nitro pistol. That doesn't mean someone out there gets some enjoyment out of one or the other. Shooting is a sport and a past time for honest people and what ever "trips their trigger" to make them go out and buy useless things to shoot, then more power to them.
The ATF does not need to redefine, rewrite, or add to any current gun control statutes. There is enough stupidity in them as it is.

The founders didn't want anything restricted. The Redcoats were after the cannons that the Colonists had cached at Concord. If we were fighting them today they may have been after an Abrams stored in a garage. Should we be able to have a B-52? Sure, if the militia can come up with the funds to buy one. But there are workarounds.

Bump Stocks are for burning money and for the untrained to feel cool.

Controlled pairs/double-tapping is the way to go.

I'm all for anything that would make the bureaucrats unhappy - I dont think they are worth their weight in dog shit but knowing they make the ATF unhappy makes me think everyone should have one

Agree. A costly cheap thrill and a complete waste of ammo.

Well aimed medium range fire with my AR or M1A out in the desert is a lot more interesting.

The first time I saw bump fire was my younger brother. He used a ball point pen against a post. Banning them solves nothing. Using them is a waste.

Here’s a thought, put crazy people in institutions and arrest criminals!

So you are fine with grenades and RPGs for anyone with the cash to purchase one?

For an organized militia group as the Constitution intended, yes. What were cannons back in 1775? There was adult leadership back then. I admit that today it may be problematic. But, in theory, that was the idea.

So not allowed for the masses, but okay for an organized militia, if I understand you correctly.

Is there currently a militia that meets your definition of organized?

Grenades, RPG's, etc ARE allowed under the current NFA laws. If you have the proper licenses, you can even have HE rounds (the storage requirements are the largest restriction and cost). Machineguns are not / have never been illegal. They only require a $200 tax paid to the government. The largest cost associated with purchasing an actual full-auto machine gun is that according to the 1986 Hugh's amendment, no more can be manufactured thus driving the cost of all previously registered FA weapons through the roof. However, Destructive Devices such as cannons (mortars / artillery), rocket launchers (RPG's / LAW's), and grenade launchers (M203 / M320 / etc) can all be newly manufactured and transferred to normal civilians. The ammunition is expensive, but so were the stores of powder and shot that the red coats were after.......