Deportation
 

Target MS-13 and other Criminal elements
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ic...ctive-detainer

No problem with the above enforcement.

With that in mind, let’s review a less compelling situation.

A married father of two American born high school boys, 17 & 13 years of age. Father has worked his entire career for one company, on a “work permit” issue by the US. He is a trusted employee, often given responsibility for daily operations of the company and execution of all work orders.

His Sons are A+ students. Mom also works, and is involved in everyday decisions with relation to her sons, the schools district, and the local PTA.

The sons are well mannered, and hold part time jobs in addition to being involved in doing good. For example, the oldest, grew his hair out over a 3-year period, it was a thick black mane of glorious perfect DNA related to that ethnic group. He took a lot of ribbing at school, when asked why he was not cutting his hair, he stated he was growing it to donate to create wigs fir kids with cancer undergoing chemo.

When asked if he told anyone at school, he stated no.
The father was pick up by ICE three weeks-ago. He was a week late renewing his work permit. When asked why he was a week late, he was afraid to go to the center to renew for fear of being deported.

When Ice came to his house, he ran, fearing his wife would be deported also, leaving their two sons to community service programs. So like a hen with chicks he ran to divert the fox, jumping into the Delaware River @ 28 ^F, to escape.
Luckily, for all involved he was rescued and detained.

Which brings me to this question, what are we doing? This is low hanging fruit. A work permit not renewed is easy, all address info is on file, easy to find individual, but by all standards, not a criminal, anyone who has been issued a work permit has been compliant with rules and regulation for being here, and examples an individual that is working within the system to conform. Why imprison and deport them?

What’s the gain?

In the short term, the administration lives up to its campaign rhetoric, but long term the results of such action impact base level sociological allegiance. This “group” did this to my family!

Go back and read what the values of this family are. Is this not what we want? It certainly is more in-line with western values then most of the refugees that are being resettled here Carte Blanche.

We are shooting ourselves in the electoral head. If we want to control the future of our country, we need to embrace the Judea-Christian illegals that are here with open arms and find a way to put families first, before racking up deportation numbers to satisfy campaign promises.

A reminder: http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ht=Deportation

Your reply is why Republicans will not hold a long term influence in America.

For the record: "two American born sons," US Citizens.

Your go "fuck them" attitude, solves nothing.

In my simple mind, the goal is the welfare of mine and your great grand children,
building the influence of the party, and hence the control or a reasonable amount of influence nationally.

The entire campaign rhetoric played to out groups competing for limited resources. Trump catered to out groups in Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan, and he won, by using the disparity between groups to create a wedge to divide and swing the democratic vote. It worked.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37889032

But what about 2018 and beyond? Your go fuck them is like pissing in the wind. Unless its a short term bathing strategy, it builds zero foundation for future gains.
Its a heartless policy that will back fire on the republican party long term.

Penn's post actually seems devoid of emotion, as it is addressing a strategic level, long term problem. Your post reeks of feeling and emotion, even if that is not the case. I agree with Penn. 8 years of leftist vitriol awarded them with President Trump- literally their worst nightmare. It is apparent that liberals still have not learned from their mistakes. Will conservatives?

I do not believe so. The fundamentals of justice in our country are in part guided by the discretion we give to our Judiciary branch, as well as law enforcement. The Founding Fathers well understood that men are not and cannot be unthinking embodiments of iron law- if that idea were to be true, they would never have dared rebelling against the crown. Robotic, zero tolerance policies are more the purview of the far left.

Its not that simple.

1. He was one week late renewing his work permit.
2. He's had a work permit for 17 years. Always renewed.

That being true, why would he not renew, what pressures, (all inclusive) life issues, would cause someone, particularly in this political climate, with a 17 year record of renewal, risk it?

Fear,made his decision, mongering and resentfulness he felt directed towards him, and those like him. That, distrust was reflected back, by his thinking that he be arrested renewing, so in his mind not renewing was lower risk.

Not criminal activity.

With all due respect, legal definitions and culturally infused decisions are that of the court at the time those decisions were made.

It does not mean decision are applicable to all and evenly distributed.

A Justice always considers the socioeconomic and historical factors.

If you agree, please go back and read the assessment of this deportee and his family. Knowing what you know, as a judge, make a decision that satisfies all stakeholders?

Edit to add: and reason your reply.

In this instance, I doubt it has been addressed in depth with existing case law, but I suspect it will be soon. Credible Fear laws are well established for foreign nationals afraid of certain circumstances in their own nation, but not to my knowledge addressed by established workers afraid of persecution in the host nation. Personally I believe the most reasonable way of approaching it is to do what courts do daily across the nation- taking it on a case by case basis, barring any minimum mandatory punishments. If the individual has shown no issue in the past years with renewing his work permit, there should be no reason to assume nefarious purposes.

You are right, it's not that simple.

Whether the problem is the lawful and justified enforcement of the law or, the unjustified and nearly criminal rhetoric of the Left, special interest groups like RAZA, and the champions of social justice congressional and mayoral members - Democrats.

While this father knowingly jeopardized his own standing he also put his family at risk over fear. Fear being promoted as a political tool from the left.

Many don't realize this but Obama was the deporter in chief. As with all things run through his transparent administration he quietly deported hundreds of thousands of people just like this father for violating the laws and rules that allowed him to be here. We just didn't hear about it.

Personally I don't think we should be spending the money or the resources to track these violators down. Issue a federal bench warrant and if they get picked up by the police for a crime or traffic infraction - process them at a deportation facility or make them pay a steep fine and release them.

Note: the fine for being late is much less than the fine and potential probability that you will be deported if arrested for a crime and are not here with any legal protections. (Note: you either have legal protections afforded to you or you do not. There is no gray area in the law. You are or were here "legally" at the time or you were not and never were given those rights and protections because you are "illegal" your entire entry and occupation is a trespass and should be handled as a criminal trespass. Asked to leave voluntarily, told to leave - forcefully if needed, or rounded up, incarcerated during due process and removed from the land you trespassed on by any means necessary: even at financial cost to self, family, or country of origin. If at any point you (the illegal trespasser have used force or threatened another with bodily injury, physical harm, or death then by Constitutional authority and the right of self-protection any American has the legal right to shoot you where you stand without fear of legal consequences or repercussions of the law.)


Amazing that we give a driver's license back to a convicted DUI driver (one that has caused injury or death to another) or a return a confiscated firearm from police custody to a mentally unstable nut case and domestic abuser (Fort Lauderdale shooter) and yet we spend untold millions of dollars to round up and send low wage workers and otherwise known as illegal humans back across the muddy river or invisible line in the sand. The businesses, the farmers, and the human traffickers all only get a slap on the wrist when caught. It's big business and the Democrats love to support businesses that donate and lobby their causes.

We shouldn't have the need to create 'sanctuary cities' where local politicians and elected officials can flout the law and tell the local law (police) not to do their jobs when it comes to identifying subjects and suspects during an investigation. That in and of itself should be criminal and result in the immediate arrest and prosecution of any elected officials who have publicly or privately stated that they will only follow the laws they like and will work to undermine the ones they don't like.

I got another idea just because it's complicated. Federal deportation and processing centers should be relocated next to city hall with an annex attached to the city or county police/sheriff department. If governors want to take their state down the road of transparency and social justice FEMA can come set up camps on the front lawn of the state capital to house all the undocumented illegal immigrants already here. If you build it they will come!

I would speculate this is absolutely the cause for papis choice to neglect the law as a guest in our country. The media won't take responsibility for his actions, instead, they spin up a story such as the one Penn posted.

If I may offer a second version: "father of 2 boys with criminal records and known affiliation with MS-13 detained after not renewing his work permit as he has done faithfully for 17 years".

Would anyone question him being deported, and how many would not insist that his sons go with him?

It's not just the media. The last administration blatantly hid the facts and truths of what they were doing. Just like F&F, the IRS, HHS, HUD, DOJ, etc...it was just a giant shell game. The Dream Act was cover and appeasement for huge increases in deportations of mostly adult men from South/Central America and Mexico.

This past (last) year all the turmoil on the Southern border with kids and some women with kids was a ploy to overwhelm whatever CBP resources were left after years of decimation from the Obama administration and Harry Ried. It would have continued under Hillary unchecked. They have a plan and America and all those poor people from S/C America are pawns to their global conquest.

Americans aren't breeding children fast enough and 49% of them will grow up conservative Republican. Immigrants (just like inner city minorities) vote for free stuff because they will never have to pay for it - ever!

If he liked it in the US and wanted to stay you would think in 17 years he would have found time to become a citizen. His wife is mentioned but there is no comment on her status. Wonder why?