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Team Sergeant 05-22-2016 11:53

Time to question the "graduation dress code".
 
Not a problem, I would simply not attend. Time to question the "graduation dress code". And I'm absolutely positive if a female wanted to wear her hijab, or a tranny wanted to wear, "whatever" they would have been allowed with open arms.








Illinois high school refuses to let Marine walk for graduation over dress code

Published May 22, 2016
· FoxNews.com

An Illinois high school has come under fire after officials refused to let a graduate, who is also a U.S. Marine, walk across the stage Thursday in her blues.

Marine Corps Pvt. Megan Howerton technically finished up her studies at McHenry West High School early in order to start her career as a Marine, WLS-TV reported. But when she returned to the school to join her classmates at graduation, she wasn’t allowed to walk with her class.

"Megan has always been very determined to do what's right, and I think she felt that the military was a calling for her," Grace Rodriguez, McHenry West graduate, told WLS-TV.

The school said its decision to refuse Howerton to walk for graduation because she wore her blues instead of the traditional cap and gown.

"The district and administration in no way looked to prevent the participation of this graduate or any graduate who has chosen to serve our nation,” the school said in a statement. "Rather, the administration communicated in advance via letter, senior meeting, and practice, all the protocols expected of graduates, including attire. In some past cases, active-duty students elected to wear their gowns over top of their military uniforms, with their military hats, which was allowed.

“There was no communication to the administration that attire protocols would not be followed prior to the ceremony. The tradition of cap and gown regalia is aimed at the idea that our graduates are celebrated as a whole and in similar attire.”


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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/22...l?intcmp=hpbt3

VVVV 05-22-2016 12:20

The USMC won't allow the wearing of a cap and gown at boot camp graduation ceremony, so why should a high school or college allow a Marine (or other service member) to forego the wearing of a cap and gown at the school's ceremony?

Team Sergeant 05-22-2016 15:01

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Originally Posted by WCH (Post 609221)
The USMC won't allow the wearing of a cap and gown at boot camp graduation ceremony, so why should a high school or college allow a Marine (or other service member) to forego the wearing of a cap and gown at the school's ceremony?

I think the saying "Apples and Oranges" comes into play with your statement. The USMC is not a bunch of limp-wristed liberals demanding children dress a certain way, nor do the Marines practice democracy, they just protect it.

I just think the left-wing needs a dose of their own medicine. What if she identified as a Marine and just wanted to wear the uniform to graduate in? Want to bet this cap and gown must have changes when the young adults realize they have a voice and can make a stand against stupid liberal demands.......

JGC2 05-22-2016 15:19

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 609223)
What if she identified as a Marine and just wanted to wear the uniform to graduate in?

Exactly. http://www.thenewsstar.com/story/new...ules/25407579/

Richard 05-22-2016 16:24

Caps with school colors tassels and gowns and other recognized symbols of academic achievement is a long-standing tradition for academic graduation ceremonies, as is the USMC or the Army dress uniforms for theirs.

Having been given the "uniform of the day" and challenging the issuing authority's instructions is a course of action that normally does not result in positive consequences.

For this young Marine, it was her choice to challenge the administration's not unreasonable guidance and instructions - and thus her receiving the to be expected consequences for having done so.

IMO, she has the issue, not the school or its personnel and their traditions.

Richard

Team Sergeant 05-22-2016 17:35

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 609227)
Caps with school colors tassels and gowns and other recognized symbols of academic achievement is a long-standing tradition for academic graduation ceremonies, as is the USMC or the Army dress uniforms for theirs.

Having been given the "uniform of the day" and challenging the issuing authority's instructions is a course of action that normally does not result in positive consequences.

For this young Marine, it was her choice to challenge the administration's not unreasonable guidance and instructions - and thus her receiving the to be expected consequences for having done so.

IMO, she has the issue, not the school or its personnel and their traditions.

Richard

Really big chef hats and very long doctor coats served the same purposes, but they no longer do. Time to put some things to bed.

VVVV 05-22-2016 21:33

Well then, maybe it's time to put USMC Blues to bed too!:munchies

Team Sergeant 05-22-2016 21:44

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Originally Posted by WCH (Post 609250)
Well then, maybe it's time to put USMC Blues to bed too!:munchies

Really, you want to compare warriors to children? How liberal of you.

VVVV 05-22-2016 22:23

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 609251)
Really, you want to compare warriors to children? How liberal of you.

I was comparing them (USMC Blues) to your chef's hat and doctor's coats statement.

JGC2 05-23-2016 08:10

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 609227)
Caps with school colors tassels and gowns and other recognized symbols of academic achievement is a long-standing tradition for academic graduation ceremonies, as is the USMC or the Army dress uniforms for theirs.

Having been given the "uniform of the day" and challenging the issuing authority's instructions is a course of action that normally does not result in positive consequences.

For this young Marine, it was her choice to challenge the administration's not unreasonable guidance and instructions - and thus her receiving the to be expected consequences for having done so.

IMO, she has the issue, not the school or its personnel and their traditions.

Richard

True, but our point is that Liberals don't see it that way and seek to eradicate "long-standing tradition" routinely so they deserve some of their own medicine.

Team Sergeant 05-23-2016 10:44

North Carolina school board votes to stop naming valedictorians
 
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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 609227)
Caps with school colors tassels and gowns and other recognized symbols of academic achievement is a long-standing tradition for academic graduation ceremonies, as is the USMC or the Army dress uniforms for theirs.

Richard


I'm sorry Richard, I was caught up in this recent left-wing school board decision, what were you saying about school traditions ?

Competition is what every species on this planet does. Even plants compete for sunlight.

I'm surprised a school board has not yet decided to neuter the male students, or the ones that identify as males........







North Carolina school board votes to stop naming valedictorians

Published May 23, 2016
· FoxNews.com


Apparently working your hardest to be the best you can be -- and being recognized for the effort -- is one lesson a North Carolina school board no longer believes is worth teaching.

Citing what it calls "unhealthy" competition among students, the Wake County school board is the latest in the country to make valedictorians and salutatorians a thing of the past, The News & Observer of Charlotte reports.

The school board unanimously gave initial approval last week to a policy that would prohibit high school principals from naming valedictorians and salutatorians – titles reserved for the two graduating seniors with the highest grade-point averages – after 2018, according to the newspaper.

“We have heard from many, many schools that the competition has become very unhealthy,” school board Chairman Tom Benton told the paper.


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Richard 05-23-2016 16:44

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 609283)
North Carolina school board votes to stop naming valedictorians

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/23...l?intcmp=hpbt3

The competition for such a distinction has become ridiculously competitive to the point of the focus being merely on the GPA and not the learning, and with the criteria of what is actually used to determine such GPAs varying greatly from district to district.

I surmise the Wake schools district may consider adopting something more along the lines of the system of academic recognition colleges and universities use where the designation of Cum Laude, Magna Cum Laude, and Summa Cum Laude is noted on the transcript and the diploma to indicate outstanding levels of achievement within delineated GPA ranges. Personally, I think that would be an improvement.

But who knows.

Richard

raynman 05-26-2016 13:44

I can relate to the desire of the young lady to express pride in her accomplishment. I'm sure all of us here can remember how they felt the first time they wore their dress uniform in public. That being said, I would think that we would remember that the organizations we serve (served) in have a tremendous respect for tradition and ceremony. Is this not true?

In regards to wearing of the uniform, does not the military still do "sleeves up/sleeves down" days? I remember them distinctly...because I can remember how inappropriate it always seemed to wear a uniform based on an arbitrary date rather than what the actual conditions required. I also remember how the military handled it. No one cared how we wore our sleeves outside of "formation" (the ceremony part of our day, correct?). For that part of the day, though, our uniform was specified. Did any of us say "No, screw you and your uniformity BS. It's cold out here...I'm wearing my sleeves down?"

How is this any different? The high school graduation ceremony is about the kids attending school. Its primary purpose is to celebrate the accomplishments of its students as part of the "Community of the High School".

Are USMC regulations that much different than the Army's?

Quote:

Wearing Army uniforms is prohibited in the following situations:
  • In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interest, or when engaged in off duty civilian employment.
  • When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except as authorized by competent authority.
  • When attending any meeting or event that is a function of, or is sponsored by, an extremist organization.
  • When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army.
  • When specifically prohibited by Army regulations.

Wouldn't a graduation ceremony qualify as bullet point 2? Wouldn't a graduation ceremony be considered "a rally or public demonstration"?

My take on it is that the school administrators made a decision to keep their graduation participants "in uniform". As I understand it, the young lady didn't attempt to arrange in advance to wear the uniform, she handed the administrators a fait accompli, and they addressed it on the fly.

It's possible, of course, that the school administrators wanted to offer overt insult to the military in denying the young woman the opportunity to wear her uniform instead of the graduation uniform. It's also possible it's not. When I'm stuck making a choice like this, I've learned I'm usually better off to consider the "no harm intended" approach unless there's clear evidence to suggest otherwise. Why spend my life in a continuous state of outrage and indignation if it's not necessary?

I've learned that type of life doesn't suit me well. As a conservative, I believe in retaining our nation's traditions. As an NCO, I was tasked with maintaining the traditions of the service. I can't see grounds to complain when the school administrators do the same, and I without additional information I can't attribute them with making this choice with an intent to show disrespect to the military.

PSM 06-05-2016 10:44

So much for "traditions":

No National Honor Society honors for Plano [TX] Senior High grads

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PLANO -- National Honor Society (NHS) stoles are frequent sight at high school graduation ceremonies around the country, but one Plano Senior High School student is frustrated that he won't be allowed to wear one when he puts on his cap and gown next month.

According to school practices, students are not allowed to wear NHS regalia.

Garrett Frederick has been a National Honor Society member since his sophomore year, dedicating himself to maintaining a high GPA and performing community service hours.

"I'm not just an honor student -- I'm an NHS student. I worked hard. I put in the hours," Frederick said, explaining that he committed to 20 hours of community service every semester.

National Honor Society members frequently wear white satin stoles with an NHS seal during graduation ceremonies to mark their commitment.

Until recently, Frederick thought he'd be able to wear one.

"I was really looking forward to wearing it and being able to say I was a part of it, because I have friends that go to [Plano East High School] and [Plano West High School], and they're all wearing it," he said. "So it's like, I don't know why we're not allowed to wear it. I don't get it."

Frederick's mom is frustrated, too.

She wrote the principal of the school and said she got a message back, saying that graduates do not wear any club or organizational regalia.

KellyAnn Frederick says a National Honor Society sponsor claimed school administrators want everyone to feel included in graduation and not single students out.

"They deserve it," KellyAnn said. "They worked so hard for it. If you choose not to work that hard, then that's okay! I wasn't an NHS kid. I didn't wear the NHS stole when I graduated. But friends of mine did, and I was OK!"

The school district confirmed the practice on Tuesday, and that it differs from nearby Plano West and Plano East High Schools, where students do wear NHS stoles.

At Plano Senior High, students with a GPA of 3.6 or higher can wear a plain honor stole, but not the National Honor Society stole that signifies both grades and community service.

Garrett says he and his friends in National Honor Society have considered starting a petition or talking to the principal, even though he thinks it's too late for his own graduation ceremony.

Still, he hopes the policy can change so in the future other Plano Senior High students can share in a national tradition.

"It's kind of a national thing that's recognized, so I don't know why just Plano can't recognize it," he said.
Link: WFAA

Pat

Team Sergeant 06-05-2016 12:01

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Originally Posted by PSM (Post 610117)
So much for "traditions":

No National Honor Society honors for Plano [TX] Senior High grads



Link: WFAA

Pat

It's only "tradition" if the left-wing liberal socialists say it is.......

Ah communism taking hold in the minds of our youth, how comforting.


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