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Civil Unrest Continues to Build Around Eastern Oregon Rancher Case
Looks as if the BLM is picking a fight again. This time in Eastern Oregon.
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We do land burns around here all the time. It really helps the land. US Forestry does controlled burns on the huge national forests here every 4-5 years. This is a lot of the reason we don't have the wildfires here that are experienced in the West.
I can't believe a federal prosecutor even brought this case. I really can't believe arson and terrorism were the charges. Idiocy. |
Ranchers
Lighting backfires being stupid: maybe so. Certainly not legal although research has proven not allowing natural fires to burn out underbrush is counterproductive and against how nature works. But a larger, cohesive movement should have addressed that through legal channels. Not lonewolf citizens lighting fires on their own.
Having said that, prodecuting ranchers under an aanti-terrorism law is unjust. Anti-terrorism laws are meant to prosecute terrorists. Not ranchers who arent mounting armed terror campaigns, or elementary school kids for throwing rocks through windows. I don't know these ranchers nor do I have a horse in the race, but it seems to me sending them back to prison is unjust inn the sense that the crimes tthey commited weren't terrorism, and possibly double jeopardy as they've already served their sentence - |
Who's the terrorists here?
Here's video of the BLM lighting burns in JULY, a couple of days after the Hammond's were sentenced. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeec...ature=youtu.be For proper land management, land fires aren't started in July, the are done in mid to late September. This is nothing more than a form of control by an over reaching tyrannical government. |
They called
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They called - at least for one of the fires. |
Brush Okie
Brush Okie - you an I are just going to have to disagree on this issue.
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We're surrounded on all sides by BLM and AZ land with nothing on it. I would not allow my house and cattle, if I had any, to be destroyed because the government agencies didn't feel the need to fight the fire. Or worse, started it in the first place. There's a Lex/Con moment in our future. The question is when, where, and why. Pat |
The Game Is Afoot !!!!
Looks as if it's been turned up a couple of notches ... Quote:
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BLM wasn't trying to stop that from happening and they were "on scene" to do so per the article. It appears these individuals got fed up with that and took action on thier own. I agree, IF they did not coordinate with whoever was on scene and let them know what they were doing. What they did was horribly dangerous although there is in the article they did contact at least once. The article doesn't make clear if they did or didn't in this instance, I suspect there might've been communication and were told no without any good reason. These folk might've simply said "eff that, we're not going to stand here and watch it burn for no good reason" Now we're stuck between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Under the letter of the law, had they done this without any communication, "if you people aren't going to do anything about the fires which are closing in on grazing located at XYZ, then we will take care of it" Whatever criminal negligence within the law would probably be a far more correct charge, as it would endanger firefighters there given they wouldn't know what was about to happen. In addition to that, under the letter of the law they did not have the 'legal' authority to make that decision on thier own. Spirit of the law? Why should these individuals be forced to stand there and watch needed grazing burn for no good reason because someone in "authority" told them to? Why should they be criminalized for protecting thier private property when the "authorities" who's job it is to do so refused to? "The Law" says no, however in this case was that correct? Maybe they didn't have enough assets on hand, although there were firefighters nearby per the article. What were they doing at the time? I don't assume they were told no for what might've been beauracratic arbitrary reasons although I'd allow for the possibility. charging them now with something akin to terrorism? First off is the issue of double jeapardy, per the constitution. They were already charged, tried, and convicted. If you wish to accept the original legal charges as bonafide or appropriate. Going back again under any pretext is unconstitutional. I don't agree this would constitute any kind've terrorism by any worthwhile standard. As for the previous thing "burn the whole country down" That doesn't sound plausible from the get-go. Witnesses? What family member? what is that individuals name and why was't it specifically mentioned as well as the other supposed witnesses? They 'claim' they heard this being said? That's hearsay, I view that with a jaundiced eye as that doesn't quite smell right. I will add, I can understand your emotions in regards to how dangerous what they did is, under the circumstances. IF they just up and did as much without letting the firefighters know, they could have quite easily created another storm king mtn scenario. Had it created a scenario such as that, I don't see why they couldn't be charged with criminal manslaughter or something along those lines, and they would in my eyes be rightfully charged. |
I would kind of be curious to read the transcript of the trial. I am not buying that whole we were just burning weeds and accidentally torched BLM land, especially in light of the reports that they torched it to cover up poaching deer off BLM land. Normally I would say poachers getting hosed is a good thing. In this case what I am not buying into is the terrorism angle the US Attorney played, but then again Paul Harvey used to be damn good at getting to the rest of the story and I am sure there is more to it than a simple case of arson with an illegal sentencing thrown in for good measure.
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