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BMT (RIP) 12-03-2014 14:26

NYC Grand Jury Returns No Indictment in Police Choke Hold Case
 
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/no-i...t_nbr=vekepobk

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PSM 12-03-2014 16:07

The crime:

Quote:

chokehold death of an unarmed black man who had been stopped on suspicion of selling loose, untaxed cigarettes,
I guess NYC cops are now "revenuers". :rolleyes:

Pat

craigepo 12-03-2014 18:56

I have run quite a few grand juries. Almost all of the people I have had on grand juries have been very good, and have been very conscientious in their work. All of them have been very engaged in the process. To say they take the work seriously is an understatement.

The standard to obtain a grand jury indictment is just "probable cause". Numerically, think of it as 50.1%. If the evidence doesn't make it to probable cause to a grand jury, there is no way the case would pass muster in front of a trial jury, with a burden of proof of "beyond a reasonable doubt".

The Founding Fathers were quite wise by giving us a right to juries, both with grand juries and trial juries. What people need to understand (i.e. former law professor Barack Hussein Obama and United States Attorney General Eric Holder) is that juries are our standard of judgment. If a jury of our peer says it, that's the law of the case.

rubberneck 12-03-2014 18:56

The use of lethal force to effect an arrest for a petty crime is absurd and apparently this officer has a history.

The Reaper 12-03-2014 19:40

In the video, I did not see lethal force applied, but I did see apparent non-compliance from the subject.

TR

rubberneck 12-03-2014 20:00

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 569201)
Depends. What kind of resistance did the suspect use.

Caroited restraint is not considered lethal force depending on the department.

It's banned by the NYPD. IMHO modern law enforcement suffers from a complete lack of common sense. Is it really necessary to arrest a man for selling individual cigarettes?

Box 12-03-2014 21:15

...I never realized that selling loosey's was a crime of such magnitude.

Lighthouse 12-03-2014 21:16

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Originally Posted by rubberneck (Post 569210)
It's banned by the NYPD. IMHO modern law enforcement suffers from a complete lack of common sense. Is it really necessary to arrest a man for selling individual cigarettes?

There was no damage to his trachea per the autopsy.

http://youtu.be/Nql1xRtWKOU Gracie breakdown


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