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Streck-Fu 11-12-2014 07:55

Poor ammo selection, Marine
 
If you hit with a 12g three times with at least one in the chest, your ammo selection sucks......LINK

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Reynolds didn't think twice. He shot the man in the hoodie three times. Reynolds says he hit him in the chest area.
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The suspect stumbled back out the window, climbed over the fence and left a trail of blood behind. The blood stops in the middle of the road. Deputies think he hopped in a car and got away.

JJ_BPK 11-12-2014 08:03

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Originally Posted by Streck-Fu (Post 567456)
If you hit with a 12g three times with at least one in the chest, your ammo selection sucks......LINK

I suspect his weapon was loaded with bird shot, 7's or 9's.. :munchin

Team Sergeant 11-12-2014 10:23

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 567459)
Yip bird shot. Amazing how many internet experts advise using bird shot for home defense to prevent over penetration.

I would agree with using bird shot inside the house and the last two rounds 00 Buck........;)

Even with bird shot he will have to go to a hospital to get it removed........ and they will call the police.

JJ_BPK 11-12-2014 10:39

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I agree with TS, bird shot at 15ft is not to be scoffed at,, IF the shot placement is good..

If you look at the still pic, you can see a semi-circle hole in the blinds that would be my guess for a 10-14 ft pattern. The pic also shows what might be storm glass, at least double pane. Additionally in the video, you can see the second shot had a similar exit.

Hit or Shot three time may be a secrete SEAL code for "I missed"?? :D

I have read that heavy winter coats can also block bird shot??

PS: Wasn't there a Tony Orlando song?? "Shot three times"

The Reaper 11-12-2014 11:41

The normal pattern spread from a typical shotgun is about 1" per yard of distance. Inside the typical home, with engagement distances limited to 30 feet or less, you would expect the pattern to cover no more than 10" at the maximum.

The smaller the pellet size, the less energy and penetration it has at longer range. Smaller pellets are also more likely to be stopped by intervening cover, to include heavy clothing, as ranges increase.

This could be an advantage if you were concerned about overpenetration. A slug is going to go through a lot of normal building material before it stops. If you live on a farm, that means you might need some spackle. In an apartment building, you might need a good lawyer instead.

I prefer to keep my ready shotguns loaded with 00 Buck, and slugs on the sidesaddle just in case. You have to look at your own environment, and make your best ammo selection based on the possible scenarios you anticipate as likely. Not too many tactical situations allow you to download a tubular magazine, select a different shot size, and reload it before engaging. Essentially, you are probably going to fight with what you have loaded at the time.

Best of luck.

TR

Guymullins 11-12-2014 13:17

I shot a double child rapist a few years ago with No7 shot at about 5 yds in the upper legs. He did not go down until I gave him a second from a little closer into the lower abdomen. I saw him again at the trial a few months later and he seemed none the worse for wear. He was wearing denim overalls.

steel_eel 11-12-2014 13:41

I am a fan of the Winchester PDX1 Personal-Defense Shotshells.
A 1oz slug and 3-00 buck pellets in each load.

Flechette rounds are cool, too.:D

cbtengr 11-12-2014 15:09

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Originally Posted by Guymullins (Post 567498)
I shot a double child rapist a few years ago with No7 shot at about 5 yds in the upper legs. He did not go down until I gave him a second from a little closer into the lower abdomen. I saw him again at the trial a few months later and he seemed none the worse for wear. He was wearing denim overalls.

What about his voice though ? Did you turn him into a soprano? :eek:

Guymullins 11-12-2014 17:26

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Originally Posted by cbtengr (Post 567515)
What about his voice though ? Did you turn him into a soprano? :eek:

That was the first shot into the "upper leg", but as I say, surprisingly it didn't stop him. I now load those Hornady Zombie 000 rounds that move at 1600fps. I have not had occasion to shoot a person with them yet, but I recon they will make more of an impression than the No7s.

JJ_BPK 11-12-2014 17:33

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Originally Posted by Guymullins (Post 567527)
but I recon they will make more of an impression than the No7s.

Also save your court system some time & money...

craigepo 11-13-2014 09:42

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 567528)
Also save your court system some time & money...

Amen


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