Ghost Gunner
 

How the Hell did we miss this little toy?

Very cool for AR builders.

You are just not allowed to make them for anyone else.

https://ghostgunner.net/index.html

Incredible.

I expect this to be banned in the very near future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=xwRtll3jjU4

And the three initial discounted runs are sold out.

TR

Wow.... That's an amazing little machine! Underground ingenuity... You can't stop it:lifter

My only concern, is what happens when the BATFE demands a list of all transactions? With this administration, I see them weaseling in emergency legislation outlawing these wonderful machines as soon as some brown-nosing intern takes this to his boss. There is no shortage of people out there who want to make firearm enthusiasts lives a nightmare for the illusion of public safety.

Since the current political climate has fostered red-eye legislation unopposed thus far, what's to stop them from kicking doors in to retrieve them once they get the word that a new law has been passed? I'm just thinking down the line, maybe there needs to be a cash and carry deal on these thingamajigs.

In the interim, I just need to figure out how to tell the wife about the upcoming account depletion..hmm...:D

It beats the hell out of the plastic firearms "printers".

I can see where at some point, you can drop in a block of aluminum (or plastic) that is slightly larger than the overall dimensions (essentially a 0% receiver) and it could make one from stock.

Legally, what is the difference between this device, and a few hours with a CNC. Or a milling machine or drill press? Or for that matter, a Dremel tool?

This is going to raise a lot of questions.

Once again, technology has outstripped the law.

TR

IIRC, those two were involved in a deal where you bought the 80% lower (and a parts kit) and brought it to them where they basically completed machining the lowers for the purchasers, assembled the un-serial numbered rifles for the customers, and transfered them without any paperwork, which is illegal (and avoids an 11% Federal Excise Tax on firearms).

Legally, you have to do the work yourself.

TR

I think this is the key difference between a normal machine operation with a mill or CNC mill vs. this device. The Ghost Gunner is designed to only complete an 80% receiver. That is its only capability. So in a situation where some other illegal activity was taking place maybe the State/fed could use that as two pieces of evidence. An 80% receiver and the machine in the same room. (Case being somehow making it all illegal. Felons/sales..ext) Just like a non-NFA title I lower being in the same room as a Short Barreled upper has been prosecuted successfully before as possession of an SBR and in another case intent to illegally manufacture an SBR. I do not think the true intention mattered; it was just based on the existence of the two items.

The question will be can they outlaw machines that are specifically designed to "manufacture" a firearm. A mill or CNC machine is fine because you can make anything, but a machine only designed to make a firearm, I could see someone trying to take that away from regular people in some manner through regulation.

I get the point of why they made this, but think they made a critical mistake on its limits. They should come up with several other programs proving it can make other things not firearms related. I was excited for a 3 axis table CNC, turns out that’s not what it is.

I was reading about that 3D printer just a few days ago. Has a lot of liberal politicians soiling their pants/panties......

Just wait until they start 3D printing hand grenades, mortar rounds, 40mm rounds etc etc etc...... ;)

So if they ban this "printer" will the "gov" continue the ban to include paper printers? (I'd rather make money than guns anyway....;))

The AR lowers that it is designed to produce look fine.

TR

Has anyone here gotten one of these?

I can see how this could work someone buys this and makes a couple of lowers:rolleyes: then sells it to the next owner for maybe $240 and down the line until it is almost free to machine lowers.:munchin

It seemed very niche. I looked into it for awhile but couldn't rectify the 1500 dollar price tag to machine more expensive (and incomplete) lowers. Then again if you're alright with running a polymer lower there's always this.

So they are working on code to complete 80% AR-10 lowers and 80% 1911 receivers.

I can't justify a $1500 price tag.

Price is a bit high for one person. Have any buddies to pitch in? Then divide the cost.