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Richard 07-17-2014 09:55

777 Crash In Ukraine
 
Air Malaysia just had a 777 enroute from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur go down in Ukraine. :eek:

Accident or accidental shoot down?

Richard

mojaveman 07-17-2014 10:04

I'll bet on a missile strike. ;)

Lan 07-17-2014 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 557245)
Or just a shoot down. Anyone remember flight 007? good pretense for an invasion ie Ukraine is shooting down civilian jet liners and targeting civilians.

This was my first thought as well. Did Russia do it?

rubberneck 07-17-2014 10:33

Reports are that it was hit by a BUK surface to air missile fired from inside Russian territory. This is going to get ugly really quickly if true. Prayers out to the deceased.

The Reaper 07-17-2014 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 557254)
So my question is why some jack ass CEO made the decision to let civilian airline full of their passengers fly over a combat zone? I realize it would cost more in fuel to route around but anyone that didn't see this coming is an idiot.

It's the Malaysians.

I don't think any further explanation for the routing is required.

Remember, these are the people who let the rest of the world search for weeks for their lost airplane while they withheld information on its possible location.

As far as the SAM shooting, it was either the Ukranian government, which I would say is very unlikely, the Ukranian separatists, who initially claimed credit for the downing, and now deny it, or most likely, IMHO, the Russians shot it down in support of the "separatists".

A BUK requires armored TELs and radars to employ, it isn't a shoulder fired missile that might be hidden.

TR

PSM 07-17-2014 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 557254)
So my question is why some jack ass CEO made the decision to let civilian airline full of their passengers fly over a combat zone? I realize it would cost more in fuel to route around but anyone that didn't see this coming is an idiot.

The airspace was not restricted at the time. The FIR has been closed now, though.

Pat

ddoering 07-17-2014 14:40

This will certainly take the media's attention away from the IRS scandal......

PSM 07-17-2014 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 557261)
Restricted or not enough stuff happening there common sense dictates avoid the area. I would like to go to Kiev and look around due to the history there. If given an all expense paid vacation I would avoid the place at the moment. Just poor SA but like was pointed out it was the Malaysians so enough said about common sense.

Oh I agree. But remember, those airways are a marketable commodity and the Ukranians have probably been busy promising that the airspace is safe. I doubt the Malaysians were the only airline using those airways.

Pat

Richard 07-17-2014 15:15

This may be a negotiated rerouting of the air corridor over the Crimea which was closed in April and over the Middle East due to the on-going situation there.

http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/maps/Malaysia_Airlines

Only so much airspace out there and lots of potential hazards to navigate.

Richard

Roguish Lawyer 07-17-2014 15:40

Jester says it was the Russians

https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/489851558935265280


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