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Airbornelawyer 02-28-2014 12:46

Russia admits that it has moved troops in Ukraine
 
From the Daily Telegraph. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-Ukraine.html

Quote:

Russian troops have moved into Crimea in what Moscow is calling a mission to “protect Black Sea Fleet’s positions” but which the Ukrainian government has denounced as an “armed intervention.”

The Russian foreign ministry said Friday that it had informed the Ukrainian government that armoured units from the Black Sea Fleet base near Sevastopol had entered Crimea in order to protect fleet positions.
More Ukraine reporting from the Daily Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...urope/ukraine/

Also, updates from RFE/RL can be found here: http://www.rferl.org/contentlive/cla.../25267783.html

BBC coverage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26270866

ddoering 02-28-2014 14:04

Gee, didn't see that coming. How long before they move into Ukraine proper to protect ethnic Russians.......

alelks 02-28-2014 14:17

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=287_1393605865

Wiseman 02-28-2014 14:18

LOL, wtf is Russia going to protect the fleet from? Molotov cocktails and bb gun wielding opposition with riot shields?

The Reaper 02-28-2014 14:19

What if we had a force that could go in and help the Ukranians resist the invaders?

If only....

TR

Snaquebite 02-28-2014 14:55

They had better watch out...Obama will draw another red line.

mojaveman 02-28-2014 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 543619)
What if we had a force that could go in and help the Ukranians resist the invaders?

If only....

TR

7th Army? Oh I forgot, it doesn't exist anymore (thanks Clinton), and anyway the Russians would never have caused any problems. :rolleyes:

Wiseman 02-28-2014 15:06

The troops with no marking that took control over two airports in Crimea are apparently Russian PMCs.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...e-airport.html

Airbornelawyer 02-28-2014 15:41

I suppose there are more than a few Ukrainians wishing Ukraine had kept its part of the Soviet nuclear deterrent.

That said, if it hits the fan, I am not sure how reliable the Ukrainian Armed Forces are, leaving aside the capabilities gap between them and the Red Army -- sorry, Russian Army.

Since coming into office, Yanukovych had been moving non-ethnic Ukrainians into key positions in the security forces, but I don't know how effective that was down the ranks. When I worked with the Ukrainians in 1996, their officer corps still had a large percentage of Soviet holdovers from other parts of the USSR. However, they had been making progress reintegrating Ukrainians from other former Soviet military districts and increasing the percentage of Ukrainian-born officers (not necessarily ethnic Ukrainians all, but at least from Ukraine).

Yanukovych's defense minister and army and air force commanders were Russians, and his navy commander, also promoted to chief of the general staff of the armed forces a week ago, was a Belarussian who had been a Soviet Navy officer in the Crimea when the USSR collapsed. I know the defense minister and Adm. Ilyin have been removed, but I don't know about the others.

But how much this goes down the ranks, and whether they have to worry if some troops will refuse to fight if called upon, or even turn on their comrades, seems like a big unknown to me.

Pete 02-28-2014 17:27

So Palin was right after all
 
Palin Mocked in 2008 for Warning Putin May Invade Ukraine if Obama Elected

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...cted-President

"During the 2008 presidential campaign, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin warned that if Senator Barack Obama were elected president, his "indecision" and "moral equivalence" may encourage Russia's Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine....."

Box 02-28-2014 20:38

so it seems like it isn't actually Russian troops, but a Russian PMC, well, the "Russian-made-Blackwater" move is sheer fucking genius on the part of the Russians.

...I fucking hate the Russian, but damn.
"These are just PMC forces.... you know, like the folks you had in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Africa, and New Orleans.

...they are just pulling high risk security so nobody has to commit troops. Just like Blackwater and Custer Battles and Four Horsemen etc etc etc, rinse and repeat.
Nothing to see here, just contractors pulling security, move along....


Any thoughts?

Box 02-28-2014 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete (Post 543642)
Palin Mocked in 2008 for Warning Putin May Invade Ukraine if Obama Elected

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...cted-President

"During the 2008 presidential campaign, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin warned that if Senator Barack Obama were elected president, his "indecision" and "moral equivalence" may encourage Russia's Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine....."


...the problem is, the libs' will say Al Gore is wrong on global warming before they credit Sarah Palin with being correct in her opinion that water is wet and the sky is blue

MtnGoat 02-28-2014 21:08

Just another reason to downsize the Army to pre WWII days.

If no one saw this coming you don't know anything.

TR who are you talking about?


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