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Team Sergeant 04-16-2013 11:22

A False Sense of Security
 
A False Sense of Security


So now that we've been attacked again how do you feel about spending trillions on security that doesn't work? I listened to more than one idiot commenting that "security will be tighter", please tell me how?

The same idiots are saying that Americans will need to give up some Freedoms for security. Even the Gov of Mass said there will be "bag" checks. Let's just throw that pesky constitution out the window.

A False Sense of Security

As a former soldier with a mission for counter-terrorism (not to be confused with "anti"-terrorism) the only way to stop terrorism is to find and terminate the source of the problem.
Janet Napolitano & DHS just last month is now allowing pre-screening for saudi nationals, do you really think that saudis screening saudis is going to work?

"Excerpted from The Hill: House Homeland Security Chairman Mike McCaul (R-Texas) is pressing for answers about why the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has begun talks to allow air travelers from Saudi Arabia to use a pre-screening system to fly to the U.S.
In a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, McCaul and nine other Republicans on the committee asked for more details about what steps the department is taking to guard against potential terrorists using the Global Entry to enter the United States.
The lawmakers pointed to the 15 hijackers involved in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks who were from Saudi Arabia as a key reason to be concerned.
“As members of the House Committee on Homeland Security, we seek assurances from the department that passengers from countries added to the program will receive the appropriate screening,” they wrote.
“This committee is supportive of the department’s efforts to expand trade and increase travel to the United States. However, we remain vigilant for vulnerabilities that our enemies can exploit to gain access to the homeland. Expanding Global Entry to high-risk countries may represent such a risk.”
http://patdollard.com/2013/03/republicans-press-incessant-homeland-security-threat-napolitano-on-dropping-passport-security-for-saudis/

A False Sense of Security

In the last 11 years we've spent trillions on security, have Americans spying on Americans, drones flying over America, fusion centers in almost every city, Janet Napolitano telling Americans to arm themselves with scissors while DHS purchases military M-4's and billions of rounds of ammo to defend themselves. And now a flagrant disregard for the constitution and justified as "for our safety".

Our current rational: Let's keep courting and invite those that would kill our children to our country with open arms. And when we're attacked let's blame the tools used to kill Americans instead of the murderers themselves. Let's spend another trillion dollars on "security" and let's place a totally incompetent individual as the head of that agency & money. We will not strike fear into the hearts of these killers by showing them no mercy, no quarter and hunting them without relent instead let them know we are upset and ask them to please stop. Just as in the attack on Benghazi, the murder of an American Ambassador, and a few good men, let's quote our current national leaders and say, "What does it matter now?"

You know that quote:
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
― Edmund Burke

It holds no meaning when the masses are at full stride and heading over the cliff.

The Sheeple Generation is now officially here.

Trapper John 04-16-2013 11:55

You can add Ben Franklin's statement on that (I paraphrase): Any people that sacrifice liberty for security will find neither and lose both.

Badger52 04-16-2013 12:16

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 501631)
...give up some Freedoms for security.

Mass graves through history are filled with the adherents to that, right up until they pitched forward into the ditch.

Claire Wolfe's comments in the late 90's are lookin' downright prescient.

Pete 04-16-2013 12:17

There is not enough money
 
The is not enough money to put a cop on every block..........Though the government will try to do it.

Look for an expansion of the TSA's mission, budget and people.

SF_BHT 04-16-2013 12:25

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 501642)
The is not enough money to put a cop on every block..........Though the government will try to do it.

Look for an expansion of the TSA's mission, budget and people.

You are right Pete. They will try to spin more need for the bag police (TSA) The problem with TSA is they are not Police or investigators. They are just door checkers and nothing more.......

Lan 04-16-2013 12:29

The Reason Behind It
 
Is Money IMO. The more the Government spends, the more enslaved we become.

MiTTMedic 04-16-2013 12:58

Thank you, TS. We need to ask ourselves what the limit is to our ever-increasing level of political correctness, and start calling these barbarians what they are...and take extreme action for once. The ones responsible in all likelyhood were not in Boston, and not the ones that actually placed the ordinances. Maybe never been there. They are in the countries that we are coddling to. We can play "Whack-A-Mole" forever, but until we drop the niceties and answer a barbarian act with a superior barbaric act, we will not make any progress.
I often wonder how many terroristic acts have been stopped that we never hear about (and maybe don't want to hear about). Is the problem bigger than the general public knows about?

VVVV 04-16-2013 13:29

I flew out of TIA (Tampa) and a few other aiports shortly after 9/11, and my comment to my wife about the security measures (NG, PD, ect) was: "What we have here is reactionary window dressing, nothing more. More than a decade later, I still feel the same way.

Re-enforcing and locking cockpit doors was one of the few steps taken that actually provide some (cost effective) security, and that should have been done years before.

perdurabo 04-16-2013 14:27

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Originally Posted by MiTTMedic (Post 501649)
Thank you, TS. We need to ask ourselves what the limit is to our ever-increasing level of political correctness

Your limit wasn't passed a long time ago? Mine was, back in 2002 or thereabouts.

I'm not convinced of who did the Boston thing or what their motives were (aside from terrorizing), I'll let the professionals sort that out, but TS laid it down surgically.

Anyway, for many of us, our limits were passed a long time ago, but it's all armchair banter until we decide to do something about it.

Hand 04-16-2013 15:41

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Originally Posted by DocIllinois (Post 501659)
If we engage in the actions necessary to defeat this enemy and win the battle against terrorism, we would still lose something: some of our human refinement, which is our greatest achievement. Its impossible to clean up a bad infestation without getting your hands dirty, though. If we refuse to fight and continue to allow our refinement to be used against us, we no doubt will lose everything. Lying belly up is not a good technique for survival. Those who do so usually get eaten up very quickly.

Is that such a bad thing though DocIllinois? Can a free society stay free without the sacrifices of patriots and the blood of tyrants? I assert that we are bleeding refinement by taking this baby kissing approach that we are taking. From the top to the bottom it seems we are being led by people who are more concerned with the way people view us than protecting our way of life.

Even Jesus, the speaker of 'turn the other cheek' and "love thy neighbor as thyself' picked up a whip and beat the fuck out of money exchangers who took up operations in the Temple.

Its here. Its been seeping across our borders and into the minds of our children for decades. Eliminating terrorists wont stop events like this from happening. Our culture is 'sick'. Need I even use Aurora, Columbine and other associated horrors to make my point?

The Reaper 04-16-2013 17:28

Maybe we need an American Foreign Legion.

TR

MR2 04-16-2013 17:34

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 501732)
Maybe we need an American Foreign Legion.

How about a American Contras Redux?

Dreadnought 04-16-2013 18:20

As tight as anyone makes security, and as much money we as a nation spend on it, it will never be infallible because of its weakest element - the human infrastructure.


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