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SPEC4 01-12-2012 14:28

Pissing on video
 
The outrage expressed by the media regarding the marines relieving themselves, makes me think how lucky most people are, to have lived such sheltered lives.

I have no issue with the act, war produces many unspeakable acts, this isn't one, in my opinion, the person publishing the video performed the "unspeakable act".
:mad:

VAKEMP 01-12-2012 15:43

Do you have an article that you can reference?

I haven't heard anything about this. :confused:

EDIT:
Found it: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/11...investigation/
Quote:

Video appears to show marines urinating on bodies, sparking military investigation

Published January 11, 2012

| FoxNews.com

The U.S. Marine Corps is launching an investigation into a video that recently surfaced online showing what appears to be several Marines in uniform urinating on corpses.

kmgerhard 01-12-2012 15:55

Links
 
The best discussion on the topic I've read to date; written by Mitchell Bell, USMC on The SandGram today.

And from Reuters.

greenlight 01-12-2012 16:50

Does not make me laugh - nor does it reflect well on this site to have this sort of comment placed here.

Eagle edit


That made me laugh

DevilSide 01-12-2012 18:18

You know, it's probably not appropriate, I wouldn't do it myself or allow my men to do it, but our opposition has done much worse, so...

kgoerz 01-12-2012 18:29

I was impressed that they were all able to piss in Unison. But U.S Soldiers/Marines are held to a higher standard. These Marines were weak and lowered themselves to a the standard of their Enemy. The USMC should just get rid of them. Plenty of ditch digging jobs out there.

Roguish Lawyer 01-12-2012 18:33

This has got to be a UCMJ violation, no?

alright4u 01-12-2012 19:10

Agree
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kgoerz (Post 431204)
I was impressed that they were all able to piss in Unison. But U.S Soldiers/Marines are held to a higher standard. These Marines were weak and lowered themselves to a the standard of their Enemy. The USMC should just get rid of them. Plenty of ditch digging jobs out there.

I know it can be tough to think when men you know were just killed, but; I recall we had about 5-6 sappers left in and around our wire in late 68 that recon killed. A month earlier, sappers got in on Sep 3, 68 just after CCN was hit hard. I had 6 dead yards then. This time they paid dearly. The bodies started smelling. It was bothering the CO's breakfast. We hauled the NVA by truck south of camp and buried them. Those men were soldiers, too.

Eagle5US 01-12-2012 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPEC4 (Post 431167)
The outrage expressed by the media regarding the marines relieving themselves, makes me think how lucky most people are, to have lived such sheltered lives.

I have no issue with the act, war produces many unspeakable acts, this isn't one, in my opinion, the person publishing the video performed the "unspeakable act".
:mad:

Perhaps you are not looking at the big picture here - the retribution and hindrance of forward momentum for those teams working with the villagers on the ground. The validation of the enemies characterization of US Forces. The propaganda value that this film has provided to the bad guys is every bit as bad (if not worse) than Abu-Ghrab.

Yes, most folks do live sheltered lives. The military is at war, the public is at the mall, smart bombs must be able to be dropped in the middle of a crowded playground and kill ONLY the one bad guy who is dressed in a suit wearing the concealed explosive vest.

That, unfortunately, does not excuse this type of behavior by a PROFESSIONAL MILITARY.

Think about it...

MTN Medic 01-12-2012 19:51

+1 Brother.

plato 01-12-2012 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer (Post 431205)
This has got to be a UCMJ violation, no?

"Conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline" seems to stretch to cover everything.

PSM 01-12-2012 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by plato (Post 431231)
"Conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline" seems to stretch to cover everything.

Gee, in my day it was OK, even encouraged, to pee on Marines. Is that wrong now? :confused:

Pat

kmgerhard 01-12-2012 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle5US (Post 431217)
Perhaps you are not looking at the big picture here - the retribution and hindrance of forward momentum for those teams working with the villagers on the ground. The validation of the enemies characterization of US Forces. The propaganda value that this film has provided to the bad guys is every bit as bad (if not worse) than Abu-Ghrab.

Think about it...

Trust me, I have. It's the very thing that's been haunting me since it broke. The pucker factor on waiting at home for commo just got kicked up a notch.

Thank you for pointing it out; wish more were.

Spitfire34 01-13-2012 02:21

I'm not surprised at all that they would piss on the bodies but it's shocking that someone decided to film it and post it on the internet. I am in no way saying that what they did is okay but at least try to keep it off the sky-line. This makes us all look bad. Just my .02

CombatMuffin 01-13-2012 07:25

I can't comment on the horrors of wars, and what's right and wrong in a battlefield: haven't been there.

...But we've come a long way since carrying swords around and "pillaging the village" in respect to the military. Civilized countries around the world can now field professional armies, where each individual soldier contributes a much larger role.

What shocks me the most is the amount of damage this causes to the U.S. efforts in the region (let alone Afghanistan). I am assuming a lot of good men payed a very high price to improve relationships with the locals, and this type of behavior does not seem, at least to me, to honor those efforts.

That said, it is not for me to criticize the sentiments felt out there, so I'll limit my comment this far.


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