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America's Got To End Its Deadly Devotion To Democracy
Some interesting thoughts on how our idea that all nations are capable of becoming instantly sustainable democracies may - in fact - be flawed. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin Quote:
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I have harbored this notion that there is a problem with democracy. Not really with the notion,, it's the people that are responsible for it's perseverance and sustainability.
Much like we have found that there are groups pf people in this world that tend to be better warriors and have a history of leadership & aggression. There may also be peoples in this world that are not democratically inclined, but are true sheeple. They need to be lead,, maybe dominated by a ruling class. They do not want or have need of the mental hazards associated with making decisions, but would rather abdicate the responsibility to whoever want it. My real quandary is that it appears that Democracy as we know it,, is not fit for even 50% of the world,, maybe not 30%.. If true,, this world has a long way to go before James Kirk will invite us to join the United Federation of Planets... Quote:
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A dilemma.
How does one invade a country and leave something behind that will be favorable to further contact and political support. If we leave/support a strong man then we get beat up politically as we did in South America (The US does not support Democracy etc.) If we attempt a shot at Democracy, we are imposing our system on another (Bad US)...there seems to be no middle ground. OTOH introducing a form of public participation in societies that have no history of this is so fraught with problems it becomes the main problem. Our English western history of this goes back to the Magna Carta and beyond, this tradition took hundreds of years to develop into our form of government that is a Republic and not true Democracy. I also agree that Republics/Democracy only work with a historical tradition and a bedrock of values similar to the Judeo/Christian values that underwrite the concepts put forth in our documents. |
DeGroot
The DeGroot article makes some decent points. I spent some time in Poland for a wedding a few years back.The folks I met had strong views on democracy as it was still relatively fresh and new to them. Some folks saw the freedom to vote, and self determination as an incredible privilege and took the right to vote very seriously. It seemed the right to vote meant more to them than many Americans I’ve met. On the other end of the spectrum there were folks who said they flat out preferred communism; they felt they were better off. They attributed this to democracy, though it seemed to me they were being more critical of the accompanying free market environment. As an American I am biased but talking to both groups of people it seemed to me the ones who bashed democracy would have bashed anything as they on the whole seemed less motivated, with lower work ethic, and initiative. It seemed to me they didn’t mind being abused if they were taken care of, and things were predictable. So while comfort with the transition to democracy taking time makes sense in regions with a totalitarian tradition, perhaps it is more a function of the pecking order or lack of equality in nature?
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The historical tradition makes sense, but respectfully are a bedrock of values similar to Judeo/Christian also a prerequisite for democracy? The reason I ask is the roots of western democracy are attributed to the ancient Greek city-states. The Athenians for example were certainly not Judeo/Christian back then, they had a pantheon and would be considered pagans today. You could also make a similar argument for the Romans, I believe Constantine was the first Roman Christian emperor and their republic was established well before he came around. Finally there is the modern example of India, the world's largest democracy since 1947. You can make the argument they certainly inherited the democratic tradition as a by product of English rule. However, they have been and remain predominantly Hindu. |
I was using our experience as an example only.
“A study by the American Political Science Review on the political documents of the founding era (1760-1805), [reported] that 94 percent of the period’s documents were based on the Bible, with 34 percent of the contents being direct citations from the Bible. The Scripture was the bedrock and blueprint of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, academic arenas and heritage until the last quarter of a century.” (http://www.apsanet.org/section_327.cfmon The above organization is not a religious organization but an organization of lawyers that debate jurisprudence. My point is that a Republic/Democracy needs a tradition/history of past freedoms and a moral compass to succeed. |
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