Point Shooting
 

What do you guys think about point shooting?

:munchin

It has a time and place........for close ranges 0-15 yards, I use a variation of it called "target focus" developed by California Highway patrol......basically you look through your sites while focusing on the target.

I've practiced enough with it, that I am pretty quick with it, and all my shots are in about a 4 inch circle at that range.

Some folks will slam this technique, but it works for me.

If it is stupid, but it works for you, it wasn't really stupid.

I use it at very close ranges where extreme precision is not required.

TR

I think a lot of the detractors were never shown how to do it properly - like a lot of things. They proally read some guru in a magazine say it doesn't work and made a half-assed attempt at it. They also may not be using it at the right distances, etc.

Lot of people been shot in the face by point shooters.

It seems to me that the more you practice the flash site picture and the faster you get, the more you are doing point shooting. That muscle memory kicks in and you get going so fast you just do it.

A while back, I moved my holster a little further back on the belt to hook it in behind that tool loop on the 5.11s. I noticed as soon as I did, I had to slow way down at very short ranges until I got used to it. It was changing all the muscle memory and I had to relearn. I'm pretty much back where I was now. Funny how little things make a big difference.

Like hanging a rucksack on a Golden Knight. LOL

TR-

Sir, from my police training, shooting from the hip was taught at 0-3 and point shooting was taught from 3-7.

Personally, I am comfortable shooting "target focus with sights" out to 15 yards.

At what range do you switch from point to full sight picture shooting?

NDD, with your "flash site picture" are you focusing on the front site or the bad guy?

The target focus is basically a flash site but focusing on the target...and I know what you are saying about the muscle memory....


Golden Knights and rucksacks.......or SEALs! :p

Good one.

TR

Probably the target. I'm so fast I can't really tell and I don't really think about it - just sort of Nike it. :lifter

Hate to say this, but METT-T dependent.

I would prefer not to be trying to align sights with a target less than a second away, so 7 yds. would be about my limit.

That would seem to make most non-discriminating CQB shots best taken as point shots, would it not?

Where is the Team Sergeant on this?

TR

I would say 0-3 meters point, 3-7 flash, then start using sites.

Of course of you're shooting around something or don't have a good full target, you'll need to get a little more precise.

That's a good rule of thumb. My 15 yard TF sfots aren't pretty if I haven't practiced in awhile.

Of course I don't measure...:D

Hell no....you are "Nike'ing it", right?

Prolly so quick on reloads you didn't know you did it until you tripped on the empties too, huh? :p

Some other FI's in my department are die hard Jeff Copper fans and will only teach front site flash techniques. I (personally) use and teach what you are talking about BadMuther looking through your sites but concentrating on C.O.M. from 0-10 yards. Some people (usually the ones who are the faster shooters) Like the technique.

We also teach a body indexing where you square you shoulders with the target and shoot from the top of the hoslter for 0-3 feet.

I believe point shooting has its place as long as it is practiced!

LAPD guy shot him self through the back of his weak side elbow at the range... keep your dick beaters out of the way when practicing this.

I can only imagine the pain.

Anyway, There was a good discussion on this over on glock talk:
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread....hreadid=242688

I won't re-hash it. Check it out, Gabe Suarez is more eloquent than I am.