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Pete 10-08-2019 11:34

Army Combat Fitness Test Fiasco!
 
Army Combat Fitness Test Fiasco! Slides Reveal 84% of Women Failing ACFT

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2019/...-failing-acft/

I really should have posted this in the Comedy Zone - but here it is. The writer is mad because it's unfair that so many women are failing the test. That's about as deep as he can think.

"...The short version: oh man was I right. The slightly longer version: the Army Combat Fitness Test is an unbridled, unparalleled, unimaginable disaster. The bottom line: the raw numbers reveal a test absurdly biased against women in uniform, but frankly, no one wearing a green uniform really comes out ahead in this thing..."

JJ_BPK 10-08-2019 12:12

There is an on-going topic I encourage on FB based on the NEW PC Left's push to allow trans-males into traditional female sports.

I have posted several times about this presumed gender EQUALITY in women's sports and the effect it is having on the winning circle.

The Left stays complacently quiet, least they sound like a conservative.

Now, the services have the same problem,, but kinda in reverse.

If you are going to rank the World on physical attributes based on job requirements,, you need to accept that there will be top tier and bottom tier.

And herein lies the dilemma that the Left will struggle with till the end of time.

There is no equality for the sexes when you're talking about physical performance. :munchin

Box 10-08-2019 13:05

I suspect that the standards for the events causing the most trouble will be quickly and quietly modified to provide a better outcome for everyone - much like the gender-norming that was done on the LAST fitness test. The claims that this new test is a single standard PT evaluation is bit more nuanced than a simple "one Army one standard" fitness test.
Submitted for review and comment are a few facts about this new and improved PT test...

There are three different baseline "Standards" for the ACFT
Moderate
Significant
Heavy
**Please notice that the lowest level of readiness is referred to as "moderate" which seems a bit odd

There is only one point scale - but the minimums are different based on MOS.

Max is the same across the board regardless of MOS

I'll use 18 Series to illustrate the unusual scoring standards with the new test:
The Team Sgt only has to meet "Moderate"
The 180A only needs to meet "Significant"
The Team Leader and remaining members of an ODA must pass the "Heavy" standard
All SF Officers to the O6 level must meet Heavy standards
General Officers need only meet "moderate" standards

There is no "age" discrimination now but the "Zulu" crowd and the GO ranks certainly seem to get a break. I am sure there is some good solid science behind the numbers because there is no way they would have any arbitrary reasons behind the scoring scale.


So - now you know - it is physically more demanding to be a BN Commander, Group Commander, or Staff Officer at USASOC than it is to be a Tm Sgt or 180A on an ODA.
But - it is more physically demanding to be an ODA 180A than it is to run SWC, 1st SFC or even USASOC

Of course there are only about 8 or 10 career fields that qualify as Heavy with most of the Army only needing to demonstrate "moderate" levels of fitness.

Clearly the test needs a few more tweaks before we can report that everyone is equal.

cbtengr 10-08-2019 17:21

He states that the test sets women up to fail. I would hope that the standard would motivate them. If they truly wish to for the lack of a better term be one of the guys. Call me old fashioned but I will never think that opening combat arms up to females was the right thing to do. YMMV

Scimitar 10-08-2019 17:58

Notice the 6 woman in the Cav unit all did VERY well.
So, apart from the leg lift this is all very achievable.

Also, I'm not sure of the 2 mile run benchmarks compared to the old APFT.
But we're seeing a female fail rate in the run alone of 111 / 358
31% seems awfully high.

Lastly, there's all manner of calculation errors in that spread sheet.
Maybe the document got leaked to that officers high school math teacher? ;)

Also, the infantry units certainly can't seem to count to 10.
Mind you...11 Bravo, I guess makes sense. :D

S

Scimitar 10-25-2019 05:42

The Brits seem to have a similar idea on a new, more comprehensive, fitness test.

They're calling theirs the RFTS.
Very interesting to see how they've approached the problem.

YT.com
Army.mod.uk

S

Quartz_MJC 10-25-2019 13:01

There is no gender equality when it comes to physical capability.

A tough woman can beat some men
A tough man will be all woman

SOF needs tough men.

Old Dog New Trick 10-25-2019 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quartz_MJC (Post 653731)
There is no gender equality when it comes to physical capability.

A tough woman can beat some men
A tough man will be all woman

SOF needs tough men.

Some how that just looks wrong! :eek::D

PRB 10-25-2019 16:48

In 2014, Fallon Fox, a transgender MMA fighter, beat his female opponent, Tamika Brents, so severely, that she suffered a broken skull and concussion before being TKO’d.

In an interview following the fight, Brents said:
I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right… I still disagree with Fox fighting. Any other job or career I say have a go at it, but when it comes to a combat sport I think it just isn’t fair.

Box 10-25-2019 22:15

I think we should shower praise on folks like Fallon Fox. Athletes like Laurel Hubbard, Cece Telfer, Terry Miller, and Rachel McKinnon are dominating their competition.
DOMINATING

Modern cultural wanted equality and they are now being force-fed the results of their social tinkering like a goose being gavaged for Foie gras

Men are now proving that they are better at everything - Fallon Fox and others are now proving that men are so good at doing stuff better than women that they can even beat women in a contest that requires being a woman.
Whodathink it - men make the best women !!!

We need more menwomen in the Army - that way we can be certain that OUR female troops are better female troops than what other countries are fielding.

Now THAT is what I call good old American style equality.

JJ_BPK 10-26-2019 07:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 653737)
We need more menwomen in the Army - that way we can be certain that OUR female troops are better female troops than what other countries are fielding.

Now THAT is what I call good old American style equality.

Me thinks you have spent to much time at the DNC rallies

:munchin


link: Democratic Party Platform Takes Strong Stands on Transgender Equality

PRB 10-26-2019 11:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 653737)
I think we should shower praise on folks like Fallon Fox. Athletes like Laurel Hubbard, Cece Telfer, Terry Miller, and Rachel McKinnon are dominating their competition.
DOMINATING

Modern cultural wanted equality and they are now being force-fed the results of their social tinkering like a goose being gavaged for Foie gras

Men are now proving that they are better at everything - Fallon Fox and others are now proving that men are so good at doing stuff better than women that they can even beat women in a contest that requires being a woman.
Whodathink it - men make the best women !!!

We need more menwomen in the Army - that way we can be certain that OUR female troops are better female troops than what other countries are fielding.

Now THAT is what I call good old American style equality.

LMFAO....

Badger52 10-26-2019 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 653737)
Now THAT is what I call good old American style equality.

Roost <---- chickens

Utah Bob 10-30-2019 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 653737)
I think we should shower praise on folks like Fallon Fox. Athletes like Laurel Hubbard, Cece Telfer, Terry Miller, and Rachel McKinnon are dominating their competition.
DOMINATING

Modern cultural wanted equality and they are now being force-fed the results of their social tinkering like a goose being gavaged for Foie gras

Men are now proving that they are better at everything - Fallon Fox and others are now proving that men are so good at doing stuff better than women that they can even beat women in a contest that requires being a woman.
Whodathink it - men make the best women !!!

We need more menwomen in the Army - that way we can be certain that OUR female troops are better female troops than what other countries are fielding.

Now THAT is what I call good old American style equality.

Yup! Recruiters will start ramping up their efforts to sign up appropriate gender fluid fellas with the promise of a free gender reassignment operation!










...turns out that it was just a radiator hose from a Toyota Hi-Lux[/QUOTE]

cat in the hat 10-30-2019 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 653819)
Yup! Recruiters will start ramping up their efforts to sign up appropriate gender fluid fellas with the promise of a free gender reassignment operation!










...turns out that it was just a radiator hose from a Toyota Hi-Lux

[/QUOTE]



Best cross thread quote of the year!

F/51 LRS 11-20-2020 13:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 653819)
Yup! Recruiters will start ramping up their efforts to sign up appropriate gender fluid fellas with the promise of a free gender reassignment operation!










...turns out that it was just a radiator hose from a Toyota Hi-Lux

[/QUOTE]

Was looking for information on the new PT test and found this. Maybe a coincidence. I met a woman last week on Bragg was a transsexual. She is an 18D teaching at the medic course. She said her time at SWC was almost over and was going back to 3rd Group. She was in uniform, wearing the tab, beret.

Box 03-23-2021 13:47

Good things are happening with the ACFT fellas...
Good things indeed. It looks like we are gonna return to gender-norming the results of the ACFT and then just pretending that 60 points really does just equal 60 points. Same as it ever was...

https://americanmilitarynews.com/202...r-neutral-test

In other news - a transgendered male just became the first winner of a female a b-e-a-uty pageant in Las Vegas. Not only are men quickly becoming better female athletes than women, men have officially laid claim to the honor of being better looking women than women themselves. It wont be long and all the showgirls in Vegas will be showpersons !!! Maybe we are going to see the very first Mx Universe !!!
Good things are happening - good things !!!

If male Soldiers are smart they will start forming a line outside the S-1 to identify as female to get some of that sweet sweet gender-specific-percentile-tier grading benefit that will help them get promoted ahead of their cis-male gendered peers.
Otherwise when the gender neutral promotion packet with a gender corrected PT test is reviewed - some of you fuckers are going to passed over for a lesser physical specimen simply because you identified incorrectly.
Silly privileged cis-gendered toxic male rabbits - trix are for kids !!

Good things are happening gents - good things indeed!!!

1stindoor 03-24-2021 06:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 667906)
Good things are happening with the ACFT fellas...
Good things indeed. It looks like we are gonna return to gender-norming the results of the ACFT and then just pretending that 60 points really does just equal 60 points. Same as it ever was...

This hurt my eyes and head to read...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMA
Sergeant Major of the Army Michael Grinston said “the score is still the score, it’s still age and gender nuetral, it’s how we use the score.” Grinston said past versions of the ACFT had not defined how the score would be used.

Grinston tweeted, “Women lead our most lethal units with character. They will dominate ANY future battlefield we’re called to fight on. @TuckerCarlson’s words are divisive, don’t reflect our values. We have THE MOST professional, educated, agile, and strongest NCO Corps in the world.”

In other news, sworn enemies of the United States are now re-evaluating plans to attack upon hearing US Soldiers are now armed with character.

JimP 03-24-2021 06:09

"Women will dominate any future battlefield." ?????

Uhhhmmm, OK there CSM, might want to go drink another cup of your bullshit PC kool-aide. You are an embarrassment.

Freaking Chinese paratroopers don't give a rat's ass about pushing women to lead their combat formations. They are all about killing the enemy. Something we forgot about a while ago.

Box 03-24-2021 06:23

Baizuo

rsdengler 03-24-2021 06:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1stindoor (Post 667918)
This hurt my eyes and head to read...



In other news, sworn enemies of the United States are now re-evaluating plans to attack upon hearing US Soldiers are now armed with character.


And wearing earrings and tube of lipstick in their pockets........

7624U 03-24-2021 07:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimP (Post 667920)
"Women will dominate any future battlefield." ?????

Uhhhmmm, OK there CSM, might want to go drink another cup of your bullshit PC kool-aide. You are an embarrassment.

Freaking Chinese paratroopers don't give a rat's ass about pushing women to lead their combat formations. They are all about killing the enemy. Something we forgot about a while ago.

They won't kill anyone it will go more like this

CNN: interview with Chinese officials conducting drills in Alaska.

Chinese paratrooper: We demand entrance into the mainland, open your northern border so we can escape prosecution from a oppressive government.

CNN: How could we turn away these people, They only want a new life in America.

Chinese paratrooper: We will not be a burden most of us have attended collage in California we know our way around and came prepared with our own housing (tents) we plan on working in the tech industry.

3 years later: USA signs universal stand down treaty with Chinese. America to disarm starting with mothballing it's Navy a major source of global warming.

1stindoor 03-24-2021 08:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7624U (Post 667926)
They won't kill anyone it will go more like this

...starting with mothballing it's Navy a major source of global warming.

Jeezus :eek:....that sounds scary enough to actually happen. Especially when it gets pushed from the Left Coast.

Box 03-24-2021 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsdengler (Post 667925)
And wearing earrings and tube of lipstick in their pockets........

We dont call it lipstick - its chap stick - and the new uniform regulation may not authorize men to wear earrings...
...yet
it does authorize men to wear clear nail polish because nothing beats a mani-pedi after a grueling round of sprint-drag-carry



This is my squad.

rsdengler 03-24-2021 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 667931)
We dont call it lipstick - its chap stick - and the new uniform regulation may not authorize men to wear earrings...
...yet
it does authorize men to wear clear nail polish because nothing beats a mani-pedi after a grueling round of sprint-drag-carry



This is my squad.

Clear nail polish is only the beginning....;)

The Reaper 03-24-2021 10:21

NEWS FLASH!

This just in.

On average, men have more strength, bone density, aerobic capacity, and testosterone (and all that implies) than women.

Especially if they were born with the XY chromosome and are competing against women, as "women."

For those who understand and embrace the difference, that is all.

TR

Box 03-24-2021 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 667933)
NEWS FLASH!
This just in.
On average, men have more strength, bone density, aerobic capacity, and testosterone (and all that implies) than women.
Especially if they were born with the XY chromosome and are competing against women, as "women."
For those who understand and embrace the difference, that is all.
TR


Wow.
Why do you hate America so much?


Quote:

Originally Posted by rsdengler (Post 667932)
Clear nail polish is only the beginning....;)

The beginning?
I think you are looking at the timeline upside down.
...this is clearly nearing the end







This is my squad, being all the of the Army Strong of One they can be.

Peregrino 03-24-2021 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsdengler (Post 667932)
Clear nail polish is only the beginning....;)

Is that like a "gateway drug"?

WarriorDiplomat 03-24-2021 13:06

But its OK the R&D can really dig down and get those exo skeletons cost down i.e. the lowest bidder with maintenance contracts for 10 years to make up for the biological difference and they can fix the chromosome issue that leans towards nurturing....who needs a PT orogram the exo skeletons will be adjustable right?...oh and dont forget technology has made being a man a moot point..hand strength and aiming your weapon is almost a thing of the past......who would see our military as weak? Besides countries keeping up with technology who are not reducing spending or concerned with global warming, LGBTQ, Social Justice activist or that pesky free speech or a well regulated militia or the other stuff.....the only issue left is to get the new military to be willing to kill minorities specifically Chinese

Box 03-24-2021 14:13

The baizuo in DC are carrying around a rucksack full of shit flavored lollipops and they just cant figure out why no one is buying their fucking candy.

Reality isn't the same as that drug induced dream world awaiting these idiots in the parking lot outside of 'StarBuds'
Just because an idea sounded edgy and bold after two or three cans of Hop Chronic - it doesn't mean it's a good basis for relevant policy making.

Stuffing gluten free Défoncé Chocolates down your throat like Peg Bundy snorting bon-bons during her soaps doesn't mean your pseudo academic psycho babble is going to be accepted by others as an intelligent way of motivating human beings - it isn't

We'd all be better off if the Democrats would just get it over with and yank the steering wheel 'hard left' into oncoming traffic. If they don't, cocaine Mitch has already threatened to steer us 'hard right' into a reinforced concrete bridge abutment the next time he is in charge. The only REAL difference between the democrats and republicans is which side of the road we end up on when our cultural school is upside down in flames on the side of the road. Do we die in a fiery car crash on the "right" side of the road or the "left" side of the road. Either way, these assholes are all guilty of GUI - Governing Under the Influence on an expired license.


I'm still pissing my pants laughing at how easy some of you suckers took the bait thinking that McCain was going to help pass Trumps agenda or that Mattis was going to fix eight years of failed Obama defense policy that had turned our military into a social septic tank with a clogged drain while Lowes and Home Depot are fresh out of Green Gobbler...
...hahahaha silly rabbits - Mattis is a PRODUCT of eight years of Obama defense policies and his actions demonstrated that charge during the campaign season leading into the general election. Of course not before he completely undermined the Commander in Chiefs foreign policy decision to start backing away from endless wars and countless dead end commitments.




Yet, here we all are, acting like the combat fitness test and maternity clothing is the type of national security issue that we need to be focused on - whatever fuckers
The Chinese are right - we really are a bunch of Baizuo

tom kelly 03-24-2021 14:59

SALVATION:
 
If we, The U S A "white liberals" need to be saved there is always the United Nations, The European Union, Antifa, BLM and don't forget the MSM.

GratefulCitizen 03-24-2021 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 667933)
NEWS FLASH!

This just in.

On average, men have more strength, bone density, aerobic capacity, and testosterone (and all that implies) than women.

Especially if they were born with the XY chromosome and are competing against women, as "women."

For those who understand and embrace the difference, that is all.

TR

Men have, on average, about 50% more skeletal muscle mass.
https://journals.physiology.org/doi/...l.2000.89.1.81

Men also have a more efficient neuromuscular system.
Rate of force development is determined in the womb and is not very trainable.

This is best demonstrated by the standing vertical jump test.
On average, men have about 50% higher vertical jumps than women, which means a much higher power to weight ratio.

Adding or taking away hormones from a person will not significantly change neuromuscular efficiency.
Nor will it change skeletal dimensions, heart size, etc.

7624U 03-24-2021 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 667937)
social septic tank with a clogged drain while Lowes and Home Depot are fresh out of Green Gobbler...

Septic tanks and clogged drains is why you call FEMA in to facilities that have 3000 people hold up at them, Instead of the 300 they are originally designed to house.
Real shit burning detail !

I know its off topic but to funny.

WarriorDiplomat 03-24-2021 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 667937)
The baizuo in DC are carrying around a rucksack full of shit flavored lollipops and they just cant figure out why no one is buying their fucking candy.

Reality isn't the same as that drug induced dream world awaiting these idiots in the parking lot outside of 'StarBuds'
Just because an idea sounded edgy and bold after two or three cans of Hop Chronic - it doesn't mean it's a good basis for relevant policy making.

Stuffing gluten free Défoncé Chocolates down your throat like Peg Bundy snorting bon-bons during her soaps doesn't mean your pseudo academic psycho babble is going to be accepted by others as an intelligent way of motivating human beings - it isn't

We'd all be better off if the Democrats would just get it over with and yank the steering wheel 'hard left' into oncoming traffic. If they don't, cocaine Mitch has already threatened to steer us 'hard right' into a reinforced concrete bridge abutment the next time he is in charge. The only REAL difference between the democrats and republicans is which side of the road we end up on when our cultural school is upside down in flames on the side of the road. Do we die in a fiery car crash on the "right" side of the road or the "left" side of the road. Either way, these assholes are all guilty of GUI - Governing Under the Influence on an expired license.


I'm still pissing my pants laughing at how easy some of you suckers took the bait thinking that McCain was going to help pass Trumps agenda or that Mattis was going to fix eight years of failed Obama defense policy that had turned our military into a social septic tank with a clogged drain while Lowes and Home Depot are fresh out of Green Gobbler...
...hahahaha silly rabbits - Mattis is a PRODUCT of eight years of Obama defense policies and his actions demonstrated that charge during the campaign season leading into the general election. Of course not before he completely undermined the Commander in Chiefs foreign policy decision to start backing away from endless wars and countless dead end commitments.




Yet, here we all are, acting like the combat fitness test and maternity clothing is the type of national security issue that we need to be focused on - whatever fuckers
The Chinese are right - we really are a bunch of Baizuo

Yes absoluteky right

The fever, chills, throwing up the squirts and malaise are symptoms

The virus are politicians selling this nation

Razor 03-24-2021 19:53

Since the Army isn't even trying to hide their double-standard policies anymore, we may as well give them an official sounding name:

Gender Neutral Opportunities/Gender Normed Outcomes, or (GNO)^2 (pronounced gee-en-oh squared).

7624U 03-24-2021 20:11

Aggressive Realignment of Masculine Y Chromosomes

ARMY-C

Be all that you can

Razor 03-25-2021 06:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7624U (Post 667955)
Be all that you can

I think you meant "Let's pretend you're more than you can actually be".

Box 03-25-2021 08:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razor (Post 667959)
I think you meant "Let's pretend you're more than you can actually be".


Have you seen the new video game style "What's your Warrior" recruiting drive?
...all about pretending


Of course, in all fairness, the USMC used to have a recruiting commercial where a guy took on a dragon with a fucking broad sword.
...maybe make believe is a good thing.

7624U 03-25-2021 08:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 667964)
Have you seen the new video game style "What's your Warrior" recruiting drive?
...all about pretending


Of course, in all fairness, the USMC used to have a recruiting commercial where a guy took on a dragon with a fucking broad sword.
...maybe make believe is a good thing.

Gen Z wants what the Army offers. They just don’t know it (yet)
and only 30% qualify for service.

https://www.goarmy.com/content/dam/g...-21NOV2019.pdf

rsdengler 03-25-2021 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peregrino (Post 667935)
Is that like a "gateway drug"?

Yep, one step closer to the hard stuff because it will soon be Scarlet Red......:D


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