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Tree Potato 07-30-2016 08:49

Once again PS is full of good info, so thanks for letting us guests enjoy the insights.

TS and others, do you see Venezuela headed toward Soviet style farm collectivation? Recalling the Holodomor, it foreshadows another leftist failure resulting in mass starvation.

Dusty 07-30-2016 09:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tree Potato (Post 614231)
Once again PS is full of good info, so thanks for letting us guests enjoy the insights.

TS and others, do you see Venezuela headed toward Soviet style farm collectivation? Recalling the Holodomor, it foreshadows another leftist failure resulting in mass starvation.

Leftist, rightist, whatever; it's SA. Expect political upheaval every few years.

Workin' down there was like surfin'.

Team Sergeant 07-30-2016 11:46

Insurgencies & Guerrilla Warfare
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tree Potato (Post 614231)
Once again PS is full of good info, so thanks for letting us guests enjoy the insights.

TS and others, do you see Venezuela headed toward Soviet style farm collectivation? Recalling the Holodomor, it foreshadows another leftist failure resulting in mass starvation.

Insurgencies & Guerrilla Warfare

You don't need to be a hollywood writer to finish this "story". This failed socialist/communist experiment will result in bloodshed, it always does. This has happened enough times that it brings up the insanity definition, doing the same experiment again and again and expecting a different outcome.

Except these days the world is watching so the Che/Castro communist takeover will not work. Soon a not too bright but brave individual will start verbally attacking the "people's government and President Nicolas Maduro. Conflict will ensue, the government will call the "protesters" criminals or terrorists and hunt them. They will hunt them right up until they become extremely powerful and have the full support of the "people". (Yeah, the same idiots that put President Nicolas Maduro in office in the first place.)

When that happens President Nicolas Maduro will leave the country on a fuelled and waiting Lear jet and take billions in Venezuelan money with him, probably to Cuba.

And I would not doubt that some of that socialist/communist money will find its way into the coffers of the American DNC.......... but that's another story.

Enjoy the show and stay out of Venezuela for the foreseeable future.

Team Sergeant 08-02-2016 12:08

Venezuela now? A full blown corrupt socialist dictatorship
 
Keep telling yourself this cannot happen in America. This is why Mr. Trump needs to win, this country will not survive another four years of socialist rule. Another few trillion dollars of taxpayers money wasted social justice programs will destroy this "nation".



'Socialist experiment' Venezuela in ruins as soldiers delete videos of 12-hour food queues


VENEZUELANS face 12-hour queues for food as the Latin American nation’s economic and political crisis has lead to a severe shortage of essential resources.

By JOE BARNES
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Tue, Aug 2, 2016 | UPDATED: 17:22, Tue, Aug 2, 2016


A BBC journalist, who attempted to film the crisis, was stopped and forced by soldiers to delete footage of a protest outside a supermarket as desperate Venezuelans waited for food.
Baying crowds shouted “We want to buy stuff!” as they grouped outside the store in the country’s capital, Caracas.

BBC journalist Vladimir Hernandez reports that many people approached him to say they had queued for 12 hours without being able to buy what they wanted.

In the short clip, the crew are warned by a demonstrator that they have been spotted by members of the Venezuelan army.
They are soon surrounded by soldiers as the crowd screams: “Let them film!”

Soldiers can then be heard saying: “Delete that video right now in front of me,” as the journalists are moved away from the demonstrations.


During his report on BBC Newsnight, the journalist said: “Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro faces an economic crisis unlike any Venezuela has seen before.

“The socialist experiment his predecessor Hugo Chavez began 17 years ago is failing, triggering massive food shortages and inflation.

“Maduro inherited Chavez’s socialist experiment but not the high oil prices that financed his public spending.
“There’s some food on sale but most people can’t afford to buy it. Venezuela has the highest inflation in the world and it’s hitting the poor the hardest.

“The government has made some staples like flour and rice available at pre-inflation pricesbut there is not enough to go round.”

President Nicolas Maduro took over three years ago after long-serving leader Hugo Chavez died.his popularity has plunged as many Venezuelans blamed their hunger on his economic mismanagement.

His popularity has plunged as many Venezuelans blamed their hunger on his economic mismanagement. However, the government blames it on an economic war being waged by speculators and foreign powers seeking a regime change in the country.

President Maduro’s official term ends in 2019, but a petition movement is pushing for a referendum to remove him from power early.

Jamaica is set to enter into an agreement with the Latin American country to provide food and medicine in exchange for paying off oil debts.

cont:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...r-delete-video

Streck-Fu 08-02-2016 14:22

Forced labor.... Venezuelan's are now slaves.

LINK

Now that Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign is finally over, maybe he’ll have time to read the news from Venezuela, a country where Sanders’ proudly proclaimed “democratic socialist” ideas are in full flower. Venezuela’s latest innovation: slavery. Not rhetorical or metaphorical slavery, but actual we-own-you-and-you’ll-do-what-what-we-say involuntary servitude.

In an executive order that bypassed the muss and fuss of congressional approval, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro decreed that both public- and private-sector employees (that is, anybody at all) can be forced to work in farm fields for up to 60 days at a time — or longer, “if circumstances merit.”

If Maduro’s decree tells you something about how socialists define “democracy,” the problem it’s intended to address — the complete implosion of Venezuelan agriculture, to the point where millions of citizens have literally nothing to eat — tells you a lot about socialist economics.

Badger52 08-02-2016 14:46

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Originally Posted by Streck-Fu (Post 614471)
...Venezuela, a country where Sanders’ proudly proclaimed “democratic socialist” ideas are in full flower.

My wife has taught me that dead/dying blossoms need to be plucked off to allow new growth.

Box 08-02-2016 15:22

That shit could never happen here; aMEricans are too well informed to fall for that kind of political shenanigans
...plus, slavery was abolished with the passage of the 13th amendment

Peregrino 08-02-2016 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy L-bach (Post 614475)
That shit could never happen here; aMEricans are too well informed to fall for that kind of political shenanigans
...plus, slavery was abolished with the passage of the 13th amendment

Fixed it for you.

Box 08-02-2016 20:15

...ok
so maybe there was a tad of sarcasm in that post.


but still...

Team Sergeant 08-02-2016 23:31

Should not be long now, they're eating the zoo animals.......
 
Should not be long now, they're eating the zoo animals.......

This "Hope and Change" Venezuela. This is progressive socialism nothing but socialist corruption that destroyed Venezuela. This is what Americans now want, progressive socialism.




Crisis hits Venezuela's main zoo, where 50 animals have died of malnutrition this year

By Franz von Bergen/
Published August 02, 2016/
Fox News Latino

Caracas, Venezuela – An emaciated lion whose skin hangs loosely because it hasn’t eaten in days. Elephants, bison and monkeys that have gone hungry because there is no food to feed them.

This is the dire situation at the zoos in Venezuela, where at least 50 animals have died in one zoo the past seven months because of problems related to malnutrition. The country is suffering from a massive food shortage that has left almost the entire country hungry – including its furry animals.

According to Marlene Sifontes, a member of the National Institute of Parks workers union, these are the worst days the Caricuao Zoo has seen in its nearly four decades of operation.

“Animals have gone 15 days without eating anything during some periods. We have registered the death of Vietnamese pigs, tapirs, rabbits, birds, peccaries and porcupines,” Sifontes told Fox News Latino.

One case two weeks ago astonished the community. A beloved dark horse that had been in exhibit for years was attacked in the middle of the night and quartered for meat. The next day staff members found just the head and the mutilated body.

“We imagine that people took it to eat it,” a zoo guide shrugged, when inquired by Fox News Latino.


A few visitors were strolling around the 630-acre zoo last week.

Anabel Conde, who was visiting with her family said she is appalled at the deterioration of the zoo’s facilities.

“We came in January and things have gotten worst,” she said. “We just saw some pigs fighting for the food people threw.”


cont:

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lif...-just-in-2016/

tonyz 08-03-2016 06:21

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 614490)
“We just saw some pigs fighting for the food people threw.”

...who knew Pelosi and Warren were vacationing down south this time of year...

The Reaper 08-03-2016 09:41

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Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 614498)
...who knew Pelosi and Warren were vacationing down south this time of year...

Don't forget the Hildebeast.

TR

The Reaper 08-03-2016 09:54

Cloward and Piven spelled the plan out a long time ago, and our POTUS is eagerly pursuing the program, by executive order when the RINOs in Congress won't just roll over and give it to him.

Venezuela is just a little further down the road than we are.

If you are not prepared for at least a month without buying groceries, you are seriously deficient.

TR

Badger52 08-09-2016 20:17

From the blogosphere comes this:

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This is not a joke nor even an exaggeration. I just found out that my sister in law’s other brother-in-law was arrested in Venezuela at the airport while trying to leave the country. His crime, he was an employee for a company that went out of business. Waiting for more? There isn’t any. Maduro has decreed that any business that goes out of business has committed economic treason and its employees are subject to arrest. They had already arrested numerous owners and managers but this is the first time they went after rank and file worker bees.

Socialism is about caring. *
LINK

* Font color is mine; had to.
:munchin

Hand 08-18-2016 06:54

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Venezuelan police crushed and chopped up nearly 2,000 shotguns and pistols in a Caracas city square on Wednesday, as the new interior minister relaunched a long-stalled gun control campaign in one of the world's most crime-ridden countries.

Interior Minister Nestor Reverol said the event marked the renewal of efforts to disarm Venezuelans, through a combination of seizures and a voluntary program to swap guns for electrical goods.

Venezuela has the world's second highest murder rate and the street gangs that plague its poor neighborhoods have become increasingly heavily armed in recent years, at a time when a deep recession has reduced resources available to police.

Gangs often get weapons from the police, either by stealing them or buying them from corrupt officers, experts say.

With inflation of 185 percent in 2015 and a currency collapse, police salaries have fallen far behind rising prices creating more incentives for corruption.

President Nicolas Maduro promoted Reverol this month, days after the United States accused the former anti-drugs tsar of taking bribes from cocaine traffickers.

"We are going to bring disarmament and peace," Reverol told reporters, while police officers drilled and sawed at rusty shotguns, home made pistols and some newer weapons.

Other guns were crushed in truck-mounted presses. Some members of the public watched, although more danced to a nearby sound system playing salsa music.

Venezuela has also bought laser technology to mark ammunition, Reverol said, in an attempt to keep a registry of the bullets given out to the South American nation's many state and municipal police forces.

Experts say that much of the ammunition used in crimes in Venezuela is made at the country's government munitions factory and sold on by corrupt police.
Source.

There is an interesting confluence of views spattered throughout this article.
  • The government is crushing guns to remove them from the hands of criminals. ("Common sense legistlation")
  • The guns that the criminals are using are obtained from the police.

Wouldn't the direct path be to fix the police? I know this seems shallow, but with Venezuela spiraling into hole their leaders have dug for them, would there be a truly effective method to lowering crime and reducing gang activity? Further, is the increase in drug cartels and gangs, the rise in crime and the deterioration of law, order, civility, social and industrial growth direct results of the spiraling economy or is there a more nuanced cause/causes?

Badger52 08-18-2016 11:54

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Interior Minister Nestor Reverol said the event marked the renewal of efforts to disarm Venezuelans, through a combination of seizures and a voluntary program to swap guns for electrical goods.
('Cause nobody needs food.) At least he called it what it is.
:rolleyes:

Almost universal throughout the planet while people (the Eloi) dance to (or eat) salsa. The denial of the fact that it's never about guns, it's about CONTROL.

National mechanisms just prepping the people for their firmly peened chains so they can emulate North Korea.

cbtengr 08-18-2016 13:13

The Venezuelan gun crushers will no doubt become another shining example for Komrade Clinton to cite in her quest to make America a safer place. In the meantime when the electrical grid collapses down there, those electrical goods are not going to be of much use are they?

GreenSalsa 09-04-2016 08:39

Things are getting ugly in the socialist paradise.
 
Not too much longer now, the "masses" are restless and would probably welcome the "oppression" offered here at the US where our "down trodden" worry about obesity.

My only "regret" is this wasn't done to Chavez.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/wo...ters.html?_r=0

Badger52 09-04-2016 08:45

Margarita-ville
 
Sheesh, a guy can't even go a little offshore these days...

Quote:

CARACAS, Venezuela – Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro reportedly was greeted by angry pot-banging protesters during a visit to Margarita Island.

Grainy cellphone videos said to be from the Friday night encounter were picked up by Venezuelan news sites and were trending on social media. The socialist leader is seen jogging through a crowd as residents loudly bang on pots and hurl obscenities.

bblhead672 09-06-2016 08:03

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Originally Posted by GreenSalsa (Post 616099)
Not too much longer now, the "masses" are restless and would probably welcome the "oppression" offered here at the US where our "down trodden" worry about obesity.

Our obese down trodden probably wouldn't take to the streets in the hundreds of thousands...at least not until their EBT cards quit working.

Badger52 09-06-2016 16:30

This'll fix EVERYthing.
Quote:

In an effort to contain the increasing scarcity of food and medicine, the government of Venezuela is moving forward with an initiative launched a couple of months ago that many at first took as a joke: the Great Mission of Sovereign Supply, headed by Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino.

Over the weekend, Gen. Padrino announced the appointment of 18 military generals and admirals to oversee the production, distribution and commercialization of 18 categories of food and items considered basic staples for Venezuela’s economy.

The categories to be supervised are rice, food oil, sugar, coffee, beans, corn, corn wheat, dairy, butter, wheat, soy, cattle, fish products, porcine, poultry, toilet paper and diapers, personal hygiene products and medicines.
:munchin

cbtengr 09-06-2016 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 616125)

So who would not want to be the " Diaper Czar " ?

tonyz 09-06-2016 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbtengr (Post 616129)
So who would not want to be the " Diaper Czar " ?

Depends...

Hand 09-07-2016 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 616136)
Depends...

Well played.

exsquid 09-09-2016 20:44

Too bad Venezuelan's climate is not conducive to farming. Wait a minute, did I say that?

x/S

SF-TX 11-04-2016 08:31

The Venezuelan military is now confiscating medical and surgical supplies.

Socialists/Communists will never learn.

Managing an economy effectively and efficiently from the top down is impossible.

Too many variables.


Quote:

Venezuelan military to take over distribution of medical and surgical supplies amid shortages

As Venezuelans struggle with widespread shortages in everything from basic food stuffs to toilet paper, the socialist nation’s defense minister announced on Wednesday that the military will take control of the distribution of "all medical and surgical supplies managed in all hospitals."

Read it all

Hand 11-04-2016 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by exsquid (Post 616262)
Too bad Venezuelan's climate is not conducive to farming. Wait a minute, did I say that?

x/S

Coincidentally...

Quote:

CARACAS, Venezuela — Some Venezuelan city dwellers are trying to grow their own produce to offset the country’s severe shortages following socialist President Nicolás Maduro’s calls for “food sovereignty.”

But in a country where families are going hungry as a result of government mismanagement and sky-high inflation, many view the “Great Agro-Venezuela Mission” with skepticism.

“Agriculture shouldn’t be a solution” to the country’s shortages, said former landowner Iraima Pacheco de Leandro, 54, a well-to-do government opponent who lives in Caracas.

Critics have taken to social media to accuse the government of downplaying the country’s critical situation, and ridicule Maduro for trying to solve Venezuela’s dire food crisis through getting urbanites to farm small plots of land.

“Urban Farming in Venezuela. Thanks to @Nicolas Maduro” read one tweet accompanied by a photograph of a man and a dog sifting through trash, a common sight in Caracas as food supplies dwindle and black market prices soar.

“BBC Venezuela report has Chavistas explaining how they're going to feed people, grow medicine, through urban farming. No, really,” mocked another Twitter user.

When the project was presented in February, the newly created Ministry of Urban Agriculture announced that 12,000 square kilometers — about 4,600 square miles — would be planted in the first 100 days. The government promised to invest $300,000 in seeds, equipment and educational projects, and to help with logistics.

The government urged citizens to plant in every available space — private terraces, communal areas, jails and schools, among other sites — but did not itself provide the land.

Eight months into the project, only 21 square kilometers (about 8 square miles) of land have been cultivated, according to the ministry.

“How are you going to tell someone with no space for a plot to grow [their own food]?” asked De Leandro, whose family-owned farm was expropriated, like many other businesses, under former president Hugo Chávez's nationalization program.


Some Venezuelans try to look on the bright side of the experiment: Producing their own food can reduce the time spent on the streets of Caracas, where crime is skyrocketing. For De Leandro, who was once kidnapped for ransom, this is a comforting thought. She grows a stunning array of vegetables on one of her terraces.

But not all Caraquenians have enough land to cultivate produce, and water is also in short supply due to a drought.

Barbara D’Ambruoso, 24, whose vegetable plot overlooks the sprawling city, has learned to carefully measure her water usage. “They cut our water supply from Saturday afternoon until Wednesday,” she said, alluding to government measures in response to the nationwide shortage

tonyz 11-04-2016 09:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by SF-TX (Post 618940)
The Venezuelan military is now confiscating medical and surgical supplies.

Socialists/Communists will never learn.

Managing an economy effectively and efficiently from the top down is impossible.

Too many variables.

Just read that article - the failure of socialism on full display.

Badger52 11-04-2016 13:07

Stupid of them to put this on their Fox Latino news page. They should be running it as one of the top-3 on their regular page as an object lesson. How to get to a Venezuelan commie paradise without leaving your couch. (Commies having no reservation about openly making you do their will at the explicit point of a gun, vs. the implied one most Americans have yet to imagine because they can't play the tape to the end.)

Badger52 11-25-2016 12:03

And from a Home Depot in
 
(Forrest Gump voice) "Ala-BA-Ma!"
This story has been out for several days but (finally) got picked up by a mainstream source, not a bad thing.

From Home Depot lunchroom, salesman wages war against Venezuela's government

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A key source of Venezuelan socialist leader Nicolas Maduro’s headaches may be traced to – wait for it – a Home Depot store in Alabama.

That is where Gustavo Diaz earns his living, guiding customers on matters of shelving and how to select the right screw size.

But on his lunch break, and during virtually every spare, non-working moment, Diaz figuratively sheds his orange apron and dons his superhero cape, waging war against the Maduro government. His weapons? A wildly popular website named DolarToday.com, and a Twitter account that has surpassed 2 million followers.

Diaz, a 60-year-old retired colonel in the Venezuelan army, took part in the coup attempt against the late President Hugo Chavez in 2002, briefly becoming part of the new administration before Chavez regained power.

He fled to Alabama, where a sister and brother live, about 10 years ago after his car, which he was not inside at that moment, exploded in an assassination attempt that was linked to Chavez. The U.S. government quickly gave Diaz political asylum, and he became a U.S. citizen a few years later.


Full story at FNC.

Team Sergeant 11-26-2016 08:36

"From Home Depot lunchroom, salesman wages war against Venezuela's government"


Bad headline, motivated by money I'm sure, don't want to risk losing advertising & money.

Should say:

"From Home Depot lunchroom, salesman wages war against Venezuela's liberal-socialist government"


I'd bet about 90% of Americans have no idea what sort of gov Venezuela is currently operating under.......

Ret10Echo 11-26-2016 09:57

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 620189)


I'd bet about 90% of Americans have no idea what sort of gov Venezuela is currently operating under.......

Or where Citgo is based.

Badger52 11-26-2016 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 620189)
I'd bet about 90% of Americans have no idea what sort of gov Venezuela is currently operating under.......

Heh, I will not throw the bones with you on that. I usually have to explain to anyone under 40 where it actually is.
:rolleyes:

Pete 12-11-2016 11:06

Venezuela orders stores to get into the Christmas spirit
 
Venezuela orders stores to get into the Christmas spirit

https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela...064847254.html

"Caracas (AFP) - Ever since Venezuelan government agents put up a giant "Sale" sign in his storefront, crowds have been lining up outside Juan Vieira's shoe shop.

But he's having a hard time getting into the Christmas spirit.

"What good is it to sell shoes if I'm giving away my product?"...."

Then

"...Many customers are thrilled with the sales, however.

"This is the best thing the government could have done this year because you have to give up eating just to buy yourself a shirt," said Yaroski Mendoza, a 19-year-old cook waiting in line to buy a shirt, her baby in her arms...."

So the government is forcing the stores to sell their products below cost and the people are lining up to get the product. And they will not have a clue next year as to where all the stores have gone.

tonyz 12-11-2016 12:08

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 621016)
Venezuela orders stores to get into the Christmas spirit

So the government is forcing the stores to sell their products below cost and the people are lining up to get the product. And they will not have a clue next year as to where all the stores have gone.

Fake capitalism...where are the Russians...

Oldrotorhead 12-11-2016 13:24

I'll trade 6 months of rice and beans to feed a family of four for clear title to a beach front estate on Isla de Margarita. ( the east side!):D

Badger52 12-11-2016 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete (Post 621016)
Venezuela orders stores to get into the Christmas spirit

Whole post.

This real-estate formerly known as a country is a prime example, with its accelerator to the floor, that should be used in schools now as an illustration for progression of the socialist model.

No cake? Let 'em eat shoes. Oh, wait; none of those either.

Badger52 12-20-2016 10:45

Well, who saw that comin'?

Looting leaves stores in ruins in Venezuela's Ciudad Bolivar

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CIUDAD BOLIVAR, Venezuela – Hundreds of people in Venezuela's Ciudad Bolivar are massing outside the few supermarkets that survived massive looting over the weekend, waiting for them to open.

Dozens of businesses were destroyed or ransacked. Streets are full of trash, rubble and burned motorcycles from the protests and looting that wracked the riverside city in Venezuela's interior.
Rest of the story.

Team Sergeant 12-21-2016 11:19

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 621441)
Well, who saw that comin'?

Looting leaves stores in ruins in Venezuela's Ciudad Bolivar



Rest of the story.

Yeah, and we keep placing incompetent social experiments in the White House and that will also happen to the United States.

Badger52 01-18-2017 16:20

Things are lookin' up
 
The new decorator-motif toilet paper should be welcome.

Ahhhh, me oh my.
Everytime a socialist economic model doubles-down on a proven Rx for disaster someone at the Mises Institute gets their wings. So I guess it all balances out.

:munchin


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