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Team Sergeant 01-29-2013 10:14

Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned
29 Jan 2013
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Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

We are current or former Army Reserve, National Guard, and active duty US Army Special Forces soldiers (Green Berets). We have all taken an oath to “ and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.…” The Constitution of the United States is without a doubt the single greatest document in the history of mankind, codifying the fundamental principle of governmental power and authority being derived from and granted through the consent of the governed. Our Constitution established a system of governance that preserves, protects, and holds sacrosanct the individual rights and primacy of the governed as well as providing for the explicit protection of the governed from governmental tyranny and/or oppression. We have witnessed the insidious and iniquitous effects of tyranny and oppression on people all over the world. We and our forebears have embodied and personified our organizational motto, De Oppresso Liber [To Free the Oppressed], for more than a half century as we have fought, shed blood, and died in the pursuit of freedom for the oppressed.

Like you, we are also loving and caring fathers and grandfathers. Like you, we have been stunned, horrified, and angered by the tragedies of Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Fort Hood, and Sandy Hook; and like you, we are searching for solutions to the problem of gun-related crimes in our society. Many of us are educators in our second careers and have a special interest to find a solution to this problem. However, unlike much of the current vox populi reactions to this tragedy, we offer a different perspective.

First, we need to set the record straight on a few things. The current debate is over so-called “assault weapons” and high capacity magazines. The terms "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" are often confused. According to Bruce H. Kobayashi and Joseph E. Olson, writing in the Stanford Law and Policy Review, “Prior to 1989, the term ‘assault weapon’ did not exist in the lexicon of firearms. It is a political term [underline added for emphasis], developed by anti-gun publicists to expand the category of assault rifles.”

The M4A1 carbine is a U.S. military service rifle - it is an assault rifle. The AR-15 is not an assault rifle. The “AR” in its name does not stand for “Assault Rifle” - it is the designation from the first two letters of the manufacturer’s name – ArmaLite Corporation. The AR-15 is designed so that it cosmetically looks like the M4A1 carbine assault rifle, but it is impossible to configure the AR-15 to be a fully automatic assault rifle. It is a single shot semi-automatic rifle that can fire between 45 and 60 rounds per minute depending on the skill of the operator. The M4A1 can fire up to 950 rounds per minute. In 1986, the federal government banned the import or manufacture of new fully automatic firearms for sale to civilians. Therefore, the sale of assault rifles are already banned or heavily restricted!

The second part of the current debate is over “high capacity magazines” capable of holding more than 10 rounds in the magazine. As experts in military weapons of all types, it is our considered opinion that reducing magazine capacity from 30 rounds to 10 rounds will only require an additional 6 -8 seconds to change two empty 10 round magazines with full magazines. Would an increase of 6 –8 seconds make any real difference to the outcome in a mass shooting incident? In our opinion it would not. Outlawing such “high capacity magazines” would, however, outlaw a class of firearms that are “in common use”. As such this would be in contravention to the opinion expressed by the U.S. Supreme Court recent decisions.

Moreover, when the Federal Assault Weapons Ban became law in 1994, manufacturers began retooling to produce firearms and magazines that were compliant. One of those ban-compliant firearms was the Hi-Point 995, which was sold with ten-round magazines. In 1999, five years into the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, the Columbine High School massacre occurred. One of the perpetrators, Eric Harris, was armed with a Hi-Point 995. Undeterred by the ten-round capacity of his magazines, Harris simply brought more of them: thirteen magazines would be found in the massacre's aftermath. Harris fired 96 rounds before killing himself.

Now that we have those facts straight, in our opinion, it is too easy to conclude that the problem is guns and that the solution to the problem is more and stricter gun control laws. For politicians, it is politically expedient to take that position and pass more gun control laws and then claim to constituents that they have done the right thing in the interest of protecting our children. Who can argue with that? Of course we all want to find a solution. But, is the problem really guns? Would increasing gun regulation solve the problem? Did we outlaw cars to combat drunk driving?

What can we learn from experiences with this issue elsewhere? We cite the experience in Great Britain. Despite the absence of a “gun culture”, Great Britain, with one-fifth the population of the U.S., has experienced mass shootings that are eerily similar to those we have experienced in recent years. In 1987 a lone gunman killed 18 people in Hungerford. What followed was the Firearms Act of 1988 making registration mandatory and banning semi-automatic guns and pump-action shotguns. Despite this ban, on March 13, 1996 a disturbed 43-year old former scout leader, Thomas Hamilton, murdered 16 school children aged five and six and a teacher at a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland. Within a year and a half the Firearms Act was amended to ban all private ownership of hand guns. After both shootings there were amnesty periods resulting in the surrender of thousands of firearms and ammunition. Despite having the toughest gun control laws in the world, gun related crimes increased in 2003 by 35% over the previous year with firearms used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the preceding 12 months. Gun related homicides were up 32% over the same period. Overall, gun related crime had increased 65% since the Dunblane massacre and implementation of the toughest gun control laws in the developed world. In contrast, in 2009 (5 years after the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired) total firearm related homicides in the U.S. declined by 9% from the 2005 high (Source: “FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Master File, Table 310, Murder Victims – Circumstances and Weapons Used or Cause of Death: 2000-2009”).

Team Sergeant 01-29-2013 10:15

Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned
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Are there unintended consequences to stricter gun control laws and the politically expedient path that we have started down?

In a recent op-ed piece in the San Francisco Chronicle, Brett Joshpe stated that “Gun advocates will be hard-pressed to explain why the average American citizen needs an assault weapon with a high-capacity magazine other than for recreational purposes.”We agree with Kevin D. Williamson (National Review Online, December 28, 2012): “The problem with this argument is that there is no legitimate exception to the Second Amendment right that excludes military-style weapons, because military-style weapons are precisely what the Second Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear.”

“The purpose of the Second Amendment is to secure our ability to oppose enemies foreign and domestic, a guarantee against disorder and tyranny. Consider the words of Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story”: ‘The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.’

The Second Amendment has been ruled to specifically extend to firearms “in common use” by the military by the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in U.S. v Miller (1939). In Printz v U.S. (1997) Justice Thomas wrote: “In Miller we determined that the Second Amendment did not guarantee a citizen’s right to possess a sawed-off shot gun because that weapon had not been shown to be “ordinary military equipment” that could “could contribute to the common defense”.

A citizen’s right to keep and bear arms for personal defense unconnected with service in a militia has been reaffirmed in the U.S. Supreme Court decision (District of Columbia, et al. v Heller, 2008). The Court Justice Scalia wrote in the majority opinion: “The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.“. Justice Scalia went on to define a militia as “… comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense ….”
“The Anti-Federalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved.” he explained.

On September 13, 1994, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban went into effect. A Washington Post editorial published two days later was candid about the ban's real purpose:“[N]o one should have any illusions about what was accomplished [by the ban]. Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control.”

In a challenge to the authority of the Federal government to require State and Local Law Enforcement to enforce Federal Law (Printz v United States) the U.S. Supreme Court rendered a decision in 1997. For the majority opinion Justice Scalia wrote: "…. this Court never has sanctioned explicitly a federal command to the States to promulgate and enforce laws and regulations When we were at last confronted squarely with a federal statute that unambiguously required the States to enact or administer a federal regulatory program, our decision should have come as no surprise….. It is an essential attribute of the States' retained sovereignty that they remain independent and autonomous within their proper sphere of authority.”

So why should non-gun owners, a majority of Americans, care about maintaining the 2nd Amendment right for citizens to bear arms of any kind?

The answer is “The Battle of Athens, TN”. The Cantrell family had controlled the economy and politics of McMinn County, Tennessee since the 1930s. Paul Cantrell had been Sheriff from 1936 -1940 and in 1942 was elected to the State Senate. His chief deputy, Paul Mansfield, was subsequently elected to two terms as Sheriff. In 1946 returning WWII veterans put up a popular candidate for Sheriff. On August 1 Sheriff Mansfield and 200 “deputies” stormed the post office polling place to take control of the ballot boxes wounding an objecting observer in the process. The veterans bearing military style weapons, laid siege to the Sheriff’s office demanding return of the ballot boxes for public counting of the votes as prescribed in Tennessee law. After exchange of gun fire and blowing open the locked doors, the veterans secured the ballot boxes thereby protecting the integrity of the election. And this is precisely why all Americans should be concerned about protecting all of our right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment!

Throughout history, disarming the populace has always preceded tyrants’ accession of power. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao all disarmed their citizens prior to installing their murderous regimes. At the beginning of our own nation’s revolution, one of the first moves made by the British government was an attempt to disarm our citizens. When our Founding Fathers ensured that the 2nd Amendment was made a part of our Constitution, they were not just wasting ink. They were acting to ensure our present security was never forcibly endangered by tyrants, foreign or domestic.

If there is a staggering legal precedent to protect our 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms and if stricter gun control laws are not likely to reduce gun related crime, why are we having this debate? Other than making us and our elected representatives feel better because we think that we are doing something to protect our children, these actions will have no effect and will only provide us with a false sense of security.

Team Sergeant 01-29-2013 10:16

Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned
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So, what do we believe will be effective? First, it is important that we recognize that this is not a gun control problem; it is a complex sociological problem. No single course of action will solve the problem. Therefore, it is our recommendation that a series of diverse steps be undertaken, the implementation of which will require patience and diligence to realize an effect. These are as follows:

1. First and foremost we support our Second Amendment right in that “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.

2. We support State and Local School Boards in their efforts to establish security protocols in whatever manner and form that they deem necessary and adequate. One of the great strengths of our Republic is that State and Local governments can be creative in solving problems. Things that work can be shared. Our point is that no one knows what will work and there is no one single solution, so let’s allow the State and Local governments with the input of the citizens to make the decisions. Most recently the Cleburne Independent School District will become the first district in North Texas to consider allowing some teachers to carry concealed guns. We do not opine as to the appropriateness of this decision, but we do support their right to make this decision for themselves.

3. We recommend that Assisted Outpatient Treatment (AOT) laws be passed in every State. AOT is formerly known as Involuntary Outpatient Commitment (IOC) and allows the courts to order certain individuals with mental disorders to comply with treatment while living in the community. In each of the mass shooting incidents the perpetrator was mentally unstable. We also believe that people who have been adjudicated as incompetent should be simultaneously examined to determine whether they should be allowed the right to retain/purchase firearms.

4. We support the return of firearm safety programs to schools along the lines of the successful "Eddie the Eagle" program, which can be taught in schools by Peace Officers or other trained professionals.

5. Recent social psychology research clearly indicates that there is a direct relationship between gratuitously violent movies/video games and desensitization to real violence and increased aggressive behavior particularly in children and young adults (See Nicholas L. Carnagey, et al. 2007. “The effect of video game violence on physiological desensitization to real-life violence” and the references therein. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 43:489-496). Therefore, we strongly recommend that gratuitous violence in movies and video games be discouraged. War and war-like behavior should not be glorified. Hollywood and video game producers are exploiting something they know nothing about. General Sherman famously said “War is Hell!” Leave war to the Professionals. War is not a game and should not be "sold" as entertainment to our children.

6. We support repeal of the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. This may sound counter-intuitive, but it obviously isn’t working. It is our opinion that “Gun-Free Zones” anywhere are too tempting of an environment for the mentally disturbed individual to inflict their brand of horror with little fear of interference. While governmental and non-governmental organizations, businesses, and individuals should be free to implement a Gun-Free Zone if they so choose, they should also assume Tort liability for that decision.

7. We believe that border states should take responsibility for implementation of border control laws to prevent illegal shipments of firearms and drugs. Drugs have been illegal in this country for a long, long time yet the Federal Government manages to seize only an estimated 10% of this contraband at our borders. Given this dismal performance record that is misguided and inept (“Fast and Furious”), we believe that border States will be far more competent at this mission.

8. This is our country, these are our rights. We believe that it is time that we take personal responsibility for our choices and actions rather than abdicate that responsibility to someone else under the illusion that we have done something that will make us all safer. We have a responsibility to stand by our principles and act in accordance with them. Our children are watching and they will follow the example we set.

The undersigned Quiet Professionals hereby humbly stand ever present, ever ready, and ever vigilant.

Team Sergeant 01-29-2013 10:20

1100 Green Berets Signed this Letter
1100 Green Berets Signed this Letter

We have a list of all their names and unlike any MSM outlets we can confirm that over 1100 Green Berets did sign. The list includes Special Forces Major Generals & Special Forces Command Sergeants Major down to the lowest ranking "Green Beret".

The letter stands for itself.

Read it and send it everywhere.

Team Sergeant

Richard 01-29-2013 11:51

1 Attachment(s)
PDF of the letter for dissemination.

Divemaster 01-29-2013 12:31

1000 Green Berets in Support of the Second Amendment
Amen and great work gentlemen! :lifter

Stargazer 01-29-2013 12:41

It is both an honor and privilege to disseminate the above referenced letter. Thank you. LL

SF18C 01-29-2013 12:46

Thank you Brothers for all your efforts!

Badger52 01-29-2013 12:53

To all the Quiet Professionals who've honored this letter with their endorsement, Bravo Zulu and thank you.

Forwarding at will.

To the current administration:
No further. Out.

TFA303 01-29-2013 13:03

Given that SF might well be pressed into a role enforcing such laws, I'd wondered what the reaction of the QP community might be.
This answers that question very clearly.

I deeply appreciate the efforts and courage that went into this document.

steel_eel 01-29-2013 13:12

Submitted to Breitbart as a tip. Thank you, gentlemen.

DJ Urbanovsky 01-29-2013 13:18


DIYPatriot 01-29-2013 13:27

I hope this letter catches on like a wildfire. Very well-written! Considering the source(s), I'm not surprised at all. Bravo Zulu, gents! Thank you for this.

Stiletto11 01-29-2013 14:56


Badger52 01-29-2013 15:50

The evening blogosphere has started
It taketh, and runneth with.

Mack27 01-29-2013 15:53

I've been talking to lots of friends, family, and co-workers about this subject. Unfortunately I haven't been as eloquent and concise in my discussions with them regarding gun control legislation. This letter will help me convey the facts more precisely and hopefully help those I talk with to understand that more gun control legislation is not necessarily the key. I will be forwarding this letter to a whole lot of people, as well as using it's points to engage in discussion better. Thank you for writing this and putting it out there, hopefully it gets the attention it deserves!

By the way TS, were you involved in crafting this letter? If so kudos! It is a great piece of work.


Chaplain Scott 01-29-2013 16:26

Gentlemen: Thank you for the article, but thank you even more for the courage to take an open and public stand, esp. when there may likely be quiet efforts to silence you. It fills my heart with pride to be an American Soldier.

Gypsy 01-29-2013 16:27

BZ, Gents.

Oldschool45B 01-29-2013 16:36

Posted in several places. I am honored to have served with and supported men with this kind of character, dedication, and honor.

Flagg 01-29-2013 16:37

Some cogent talking points to add to the gun control conversation arsenal.

cbtengr 01-29-2013 16:49

A very well thought out voice of reason, thank you!

Oldrotorhead 01-29-2013 18:29

I'd like to thank you all again for your service and your willingness to stand up for the 2od Amendment. I have forwarded this to a couple of ex-SF guys I know that are not on this site.

cetheridge 01-29-2013 18:51

OUTSTANDING! Sending to friends, State and Federal Representatives and Senators :lifter

Thanks to all who participated in crafting this document!

bjm300 01-29-2013 20:21

That letter makes me extremely proud to be a member of this forum. Thanks for posting it.

Smurf 01-29-2013 20:42

In your face Advertisement 24/7 is the only way America will wake up.

Now its up to us the modern day Paul Revere, just get them printed up and place them ever where......If there is a copier in you office--bring your paper and print ever day-------its got to be 24/7 in your face Advertisement.

Sharp Stick 01-29-2013 20:58

EXCELLENT piece of prose. If only facts mattered in this debate. Dissemination in progress...

SF_BHT 01-29-2013 21:16

Great job.....

bberkley 01-29-2013 21:36

I haven't been around this board for some time, but I do want to commend you gentlemen on this letter.

It is one of the more concise and cogent arguments presented, and I appreciate it very much.

MR2 01-29-2013 22:43


fng13 01-29-2013 23:19

It's up on right now, hope it keeps going.

I'll look for it on the news in the morning.

Great job.

BOfH 01-29-2013 23:44

:lifter :lifter

funnyman 01-29-2013 23:52

The blogosphere is running with it
Check out all the morons commenting here:

No wonder this country is in such trouble.

MtnGoat 01-30-2013 01:23

Excellent and great work gentlemen! Great push forward.

ddoering 01-30-2013 04:37


Originally Posted by funnyman (Post 486482)
Check out all the morons commenting here:

No wonder this country is in such trouble.

We got their panties in a twist.:p:munchin:p

Dusty 01-30-2013 04:51


Originally Posted by ddoering (Post 486488)
We got their panties in a twist.:p:munchin:p

I've read a buttload of posts all over the net regarding the letter, and nearly all of the statements other than those of the obviously lib sites refer to pride and honor.

The responses come across as being from those who have been reassured in some way.

ddoering 01-30-2013 07:12

I was referring to the site posted above.

Dusty 01-30-2013 07:16


Originally Posted by ddoering (Post 486504)
I was referring to the site posted above.

Roger, Bro-I gotcha. I meant to differentiate between the lib posts and those of normal people. ;)

Knight 01-30-2013 07:26

Amen! Will keep this moving forward.:D

Badger52 01-30-2013 07:31


Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 486491)
The responses come across as being from those who have been reassured in some way.

Because of the provenance and authorship I think you are in the X-ring as to many areas of the country. More so than some other manifestos, those who only know what they've seen on TV and the silver screen are likely, whether they admit it or not, to view this as a light in the darkness, particularly those in states in the firm clutches of 'Empire'.

They still see MSG Muldoon & Doc & Peter-san, they're still wishing for the Wolverines to get some help, and they still believe "men who mean just what they say."

The notion of still standing with and for something bigger than oneself is not dead. You're seeing that now.

Dusty 01-30-2013 07:45


Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 486510)
Because of the provenance and authorship I think you are in the X-ring as to many areas of the country. More so than some other manifestos, those who only know what they've seen on TV and the silver screen are likely, whether they admit it or not, to view this as a light in the darkness, particularly those in states in the firm clutches of 'Empire'.

They still see MSG Muldoon & Doc & Peter-san, they're still wishing for the Wolverines to get some help, and they still believe "men who mean just what they say."

The notion of still standing with and for something bigger than oneself is not dead. You're seeing that now.

I believe you're 100% right.

Outstanding work, SF.

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