Mar a Lago Raided
 

No words to express my anger. That said, I've always thought that President Trump should have made the effort to have read The Prince, by Machiavelli. imoo, it's plausible he would have made a different call for the 1/6/rally. He should have known that the rally would be used against him in the lions den of DC.

Now, the corrupt political/establishment - US Government, will find or plant evidence that detracts, delays, or prevents Trump from ever running for office again.

It could also be the prelude to a completed process that includes an election result that mirrors Venezuela last election.

Surprised but not surprised by this turn of events. Meanwhile HRC and the idiot Hunter Biden continue to get a walk.

That continues to cross my mind more frequently by the day. One difference might be that the US has yet to be disarmed.

The left has been showing Americans who they are since the mid-1960s but America refuses to believe them.

For goodness sakes, it was Maya Angelou - the poet laureate of the left that said that shit - When somebody shows you who they are - believe them. The left even had a fucking POET warn Americans about who they are but all for naught. Fear not though my dear friends because I, much like resident brandon, am willing to plagiarize greater men and calleth on their genius as mine own...

Alas, poor America! I knew him, Horatio: a nation of infinite liberty, of most excellent freedoms: a nation that has borne us all on its back a thousand times
...and now, how abhorred in our imagination it is! my gorge rims at it. Here hung that liberty that we enjoyed I know not how oft. Where be your justice now America? your pride? your glory? your flashes of merriment, that were wont to set the table on a roar?
Not one now, to mock your own grinning? quite chap-fallen?
Now get you to our nations media, and tell them, let them spin their tales an inch thick, to this sad end-state they must come; let them report THAT...

Box so true ^

Here is the first campaign add for Michael Bennet a Democratic campaigning against Democratic policies, many of which he was instrumental in passing. If you remember Bennet he was neck in neck with Kamila during the last presidential election and came out of it with his tail between his legs. The add would be astounding if it weren’t for how stupid many voters are.

https://www.coloradopolitics.com/mic...aaadee958.html

Governor polis took a very similar track to get elected himself and currently is trying to describe refunding excess taxes, dictated by the Tabor Law, as cash back from the governors office…:rolleyes:

"I'm Michael Bennet and I caught that fish"

The only fish hooked was the one by the guide??

Or is Bennet calling the guide(I'm not a democrat) the "fish" he caught (suckered into supporting him}??

PS: Bennet is not a fly fisherman. His cast is kindergarten level at best.. :munchin

Where do we go from here when we cannot even trust our government?

The government and the FBI are showing their hand and their allegiance with this incident. If people choose not to see it or choose to defend their actions -- you know who your enemies are in the future...

hm... when exactly was the last time that you DID trust your government?

Mine was during my childhood when I still believed the "Officer Friendly" charade. Otherwise, that trust faded while I was still a teenager realizing that US paratroopers don't decide who the "bad guy" is - we just shoot whoever our politicians tell us to shoot...
...by the time I drank my first legal beer, I had already become somewhat jaded and cynical

I've been asking myself that for several years.

Good question. How would you handle a situation if a person or business could not be trusted?

I think in a way I never did, lol I'm contemplating getaway plans....

President of El Salvador Nayib Bukele
 

This is rather humorous....
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/el-...ted-candidates

EDIT to add: Make no mistake Bukele is a dictator, but he is doing somrthing that his nation needs... YMMV

Getaway plans?
Say it isn't so.
Where would you go?
Besides, you'll miss all the fun if you make a getaway.

Politically it seems like a really poor move by/for the left. Can't imagine that the risk/reward tradeoff can payoff here.


Questions:

Why wouldn't a subpoena work for this? A pretty big risk to serve a warrant to an ex pres.

Why hasn't either side unsealed the warrant? At least partially?

Classified documents. Do they work the same way for politicians as they do in the military? Can't the president decide what is classified or not? Did he not do this to these documents before he left office? If they are declassified are they now public?


Side note:

I noticed that Trump's lawyers have already suggested there was planting of evidence. In the same interview they say there was nothing illegal taken. Undoubtedly, the king of deny everything and make counter accusations.


Lots of kneejerk reactions in the media considering no one knows much yet. I bought extra popcorn. Some people will undoubtedly lose their minds either way this shakes out.



LHC

Yes, the POTUS has Original Classification Authority and can Classify or De-Classify anything that the Executive Branch has prevue over.

My guess, POTUS DJT (Before he left office and was still the POTUS) got access to the DOJ’s (corruptly obtained visa-vi the Clinton) FISA Warrant that was used to spy on his 2016 campaign (and then simply crossed out the classification markings thereby making the documents no different than a copy of a library book).

If this is true, this absolutely terrifies the lefties in the know at the top of both parties / the uni-party who are and have been abusing the intl community to SPY on political opponents.

There had already been a subpoena and some docs had already been furnished. Subsequent to that it was directed that a room get a better level lock (GSA something something point something something). This was done.

MOO #1: Using a warrant to go big-casino to retrieve docs will be a big mistake.

As to the warrant, the DOJ (per Garland an hour ago) has requested that the warrant and property receipt be UN-sealed. It also needs consent of Trump to be unsealed. What he did not speak to is the likelihood that it'll be leaked anyway from the Southern District of Florida. Garland did not mention that the actual affidavit will be unsealed, which should have the affiant for the warrant and more detail about why the warrant needs to be executed.

MOO #2: This is not just directed at Trump. This is a warning to others.

Off topic, but I used to have blueprints of Mar-a-Lago. I wonder what ever happened to them.

Is this still in effect?

Fourth Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Was this legit? Can DoJ and the FBI do this legally?

TR

It has been reported that a warrant was issued. Presumably it met the requirements. Whether it was "legit" depends on what you mean by that. Cf. W.J. Clinton, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

Perhaps one of the FBI surveillance guys reading this wants to weigh in?

The Democrats are looking at a midterm slaughter.
They need to change the conversation and increase turnout.

Their support in the last election was largely due to hatred for Trump, not love for the Democrat party.
They have been trying to keep the war on Trump central to the news cycle since January 6.

If this was part of the motivation for the raid, the reaction might not help their cause in the way they hoped.

Here is the warrant and the inventory list. Looks like the focus is on him taking classified material home with him, as previously suggested in the press. Query what the documents in these boxes are.

https://www.scribd.com/document/5867...oad&from_embed

Stunts like this only serve to make us look more clownish than we already do. This place is falling apart!

Thanks very much for the link sir.
Break
Yawn
The Affidavit that supported the warrant is The Thing. Probably never gonna see that.
As Prez, I'm running our club's He/She bass tournament Sunday. (Husband/wife, father/daughter, etc.) I can virtually GAR-on-TEE that it will go off smoother and have a better conclusion (at a specified time) than this fishing expedition.
:munchin

This is pretty funny: https://www.thedailybeast.com/americ...ticles&via=rss

The vast majority of Americans are too wimpy to be effective in a civil war.
Very true.

Here’s another way of saying the same thing:
The very small percentage of Americans who are competent and motivated would have an outsized effect in a civil war.

One side is well-armed and ready, but lacks numbers and motivation (operational level leadership). They live in dispersed areas that are self sustaining with multiple / vulnerable lines of communication passing through their AOR (rail / power / road / etc). They don’t generally give a tinker’s damn about the other side as long as they are left alone.

The other side is large in number and well organized, but virtually disarmed compared to their opponents with the exception of the mercenaries they hire to police their areas. They live in major metropolitan areas that are nearly incapable of self sustainment and control almost none of their life support LOC’s (power / food / water / fuel). They also somehow believe that picking a fight with those who would otherwise be left alone is a “good idea”…..

Yeah… the people I worry about don’t scare me…..

This is a violation of the 4th Amendment Rights! And that's all I gotta say about that! :mad:

I agree but be advised,, All the wimps will gladly support the puppet in the HW and allow, maybe encourage unfretted tyranny.

UW is only successful if the indigenous want and support a change to the current administration.

Without local support, you're just a bunch of mercenaries headed for wasteful bloodshed.


My $00.0000002 :munchin

This is why the establishment must destroy Trump.
Resistance must be shown to be futile.

Trump not only resists, he fights.
The establishment is losing their power, and they’re terrified.

This is an act of desperation.
They need to show that they can act with impunity, or else the sharks will smell the blood in the water.

Trump will prevail, simply because the left has overplayed their hand. They are so afraid of him in the mid-terms and 2024 that they will go extremes like this to show they large and in charge. They simply don’t understand what they are dealing with.

Trump upset the status quo, because he couldn’t be bought. They are afraid of that. The Bushes were vulnerable, they were weak, they wanted to be a powerful dynasty, but they were never even close to that.

Trump scares them, and the “swamp” should be afraid, very very afraid.

P.S. I initially didn’t care for him but, as he progressed in his term I saw that he only had America in his eyes and the future of America “first” as his policy. I am not a die hard “Trump Fan” but with the choices we are given, I would vote for him again.

When Trump calls for His supporters to RALLY around Him. Is that an insurrection ?

From Webster’s dictionary:


in·​sur·​rec·​tion | \ ˌin(t)-sə-ˈrek-shən \
Definition of insurrection
: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

re·​volt | \ ri-ˈvōlt also -ˈvȯlt \
revolted; revolting; revolts
Definition of revolt

intransitive verb
1 : to renounce allegiance or subjection (as to a government) : REBEL
2a : to experience disgust or shock
b : to turn away with disgust

transitive verb
: to cause to turn away or shrink with disgust or abhorrence

revolt noun
Definition of revolt
1 : a renouncing of allegiance (as to a government or party)
especially : a determined armed uprising
2 : a movement or expression of vigorous dissent

So if a Political Candidate / Figure / Persona calls for the LEGAL “replacement of representation” through election (s), then I guess it could be if used in the broadest use of the word, but that would then include pretty much EVERY opposition candidate’s position (s)…..

“I will NOT. EAT. MY. PEAS! And Box CAN’T make me!”

ETA: Revolt is the root word of “Revolution”….. and the last time we had one of those, a group of tyrants were confiscating guns, censoring our news, having show-trials, taxing us relentlessly, and searching our homes without legal justification.….. just sayin’……

Current "Blue Force" talking heads are yapping about "lowering the temperature" by getting "transparency."

Personally I don't foresee this thing called transparency happening any more than we were privy to the lies told to achieve multiple FISA warrants. And I don't care whether the "temperature" is lowered or not. Civility hasn't worked for a long time. And, having read something about this other earlier revolution, "lowering the temperature" usually means "it has moved on, everyone's after the latest shiny object, and nothing will be done."

"I WILL eat my Peanut Butter and the FDA is NOT taking it away!" :D

A party of firsts.
 

Travel with me my friends, as I take you all on a journey of democratic firsts.

First administration to behave like a third world government by ordering a media circus of a violation of a former presidents 4th amendment rights while also trying to circumvent his 5th amendment rights by stealing documents relating to attorney/client privilege as part of an openly brazen attempt to ensnare and imprison their political opponents.

First party caught sodomizing a government clerk with a cigar in the oval office

First to push passage of Jim Crow laws

First to attempt to succeed form the USA prior to starting a civil war.
...later, the first to field a failed Union General to try and unseat the President that was trying to win the civil war and end slavery (bonus points for being the party that wants to change the names of almost all of the military posts named after civil war generals - except for the seditious traitorous one that ran against Lincoln)

The first to literally rely on a criminal organization to fund and support their political campaigns...
...don't trust my biased political diatribes ?? Just read about Tammany Hall and their behavior from the 1790's all the way into the 1960's

The first to have someone in the executive branch murder someone in a dual...

The first to have a murderous VP make for the wild west in an attempt to start his own country.

First to PROVE that you can in fact, sleep your way to the top

First to have a president tell you to put on a fucking sweater because of his failed energy policies.

First to have a president ask for a definition of the word "is"

First to successfully build a secret police force the size of 19 army brigades while convincing stupid people that the secret police are actually going to be robbing rich people to help feed poor people.

First party to pass trillions of dollars in "Inflation Reduction" to fight a Zero-Percent inflation problem

First to have a president tell you to EAT YOUR FUCKING PEAS because of his failed economic policies.



...don't fret, the best is yet to come.

Me thinks you forgot; the first group of people to put pillow cases over their heads for the sole purpose of racial harassment, kidnapping, lynching and murder. And that came about as result from losing the ability to buy and sell people for the sole purpose of slavery (of which they were not the first, but now they are just happy to pay them a minimum wage for services rendered.)

ETA: and then there is J. 3dgar H00ver, maybe the first cross dressing transgender person in federal government who created an agency for the purpose of shaking down political foes, family businesses, capitalists and just about anyone who went against their political objectives. (Kinda like, let’s murder Bonnie and Clyde and then create the National Firearms Act to make sure “the people” don’t have access to the same weapons the government has.)

I didn't forget - but there's only so much credit I can give them in one thread post before the depressing reality that they are winning starts to crush my spirit.

Interesting link that explains the perspective of why 45 is such a threat~

https://compactmag.com/article/they-...et-him-back-in

The author pursues an interesting thought experiment.
But it does get a bit complex.

Many of the actors at higher levels of power probably just lust for more power, and Trump is an impediment.
They probably have some sort of rationalization for their actions which involves pursuing the “greater good.”

At the lower levels of power, Trump has been cast as being worse than Hitler.
If you could prevent Hitler from coming to power, wouldn’t you feel morally justified in doing anything to serve that goal?

Many on the pro-Trump side mirror the sentiments of the rabid left.
The only caveat being that the right wants the left to start the shooting first.

The author’s concluding question and fear, whether they’ve thought this through, is probably quite true in both cases.
Some on the left have thought this through and want the conflict, some haven’t.

I would pose a slightly different version of the final fear:
It’s just scorched earth tactics.

If they don’t win, they’ll make sure everyone loses.

Sadly I agree, hence, my advice: Buy more ammo, a lot more! :(