Team priorities
I had a former 3rd grouper drop by the house during the holiday which was a pleasant surprise. We had a chance to drink a few beers and discuss various topics. He mentioned a current SF soldier we both know and he said this young man had a "old school" reputation in the group. He lamented the fact that many young SF soldiers don't have this "old school" mentality.
As an example, an old schooler thinks of the team first. He doesn't expect to go to schools unless it will benefit the team and he doesn't expect to get favorable slots unless he has spent some quality team time. Another QP mentioned that there's an unwritten law that for every special school you go to you owe the team a certain amount of years, and that special schools should be handed out based upon a merit system. For the oldtimers on the board, is this consistent with your understanding of being a member of an A team? If so, are things changing where this mentality is no longer the norm? |
I know how it's supposed to be done, but in reality each Group down to the team level does things differently. Due to OPTEMPO is pretty much whose in the right place at the right time and if their administravely prepared.
It does suck to see guys with no team time going straight to a speciality team and subsquently going to those speciality schools. It does ruffle some feathers but what can you do? I went to this one school where in 7th Group you would get an additional 2 year team time for having this school. Other Groups to include mine could care less. |
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Let me answer this another way. I know what I had on the two A-teams I was fortunate to command. I also commanded two B-Teams. When I looked at my subordinate A-teams during those times I knew what I would have done with them as the individual commander and knew what I would like to have seen each of the teams do as individual teams were concerned but each man on those teams were not the mirror image of the teams I had commanded, nor were the missions, nor were the personalities and strenghts and weakness, skills or flaws, talents or shortcomings. How they intereacted, as long they were within the normal customs of the service, common sense, and were not injuring each other, was up to them because leadership and the exercise of it is personality dependent and what worked for me may or may not work for anyone else. Consequently each team did their own thing as far as personal dynamics were concerned and it was up to me to harness those dynamics to fit the mission profiles and keep things on track. The same thing happened when I took over my battalion. Teams, and team interactions are as different as the people on them and just like there is not cookie cutter that produces a "typical" SF soldier a team of SF soldiers is not a box of identical corn flakes. Hope that puts things more in perspective. |
We went to schools as they were availalble, between deployments. We were encouraged to go to any school that was available. This included cross training in other MOS's. Having a certain school under your belt didn't qualify you for any special duty, it just meant you were SCUBA qualified or HALO qualified. The most important thing to getting assigned somewhere was your reputation and actions on your last assignment.
If a HALO or SCUBA team wanted you and you weren't qualified, they would get you qualified. I served in the early '70's. It sounds like there is some jealousy or competition about getting school assignments? Get over it. I would rather have someone I know and trust or someone who has been given an OK by someone I trust than someone whose only qualification is a certain school. When I was first assigned to group, I had to prove myself. Best day of my life was when an oldtimer asked me to help him. |
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1. If one is working we are all working. 2. If one is hurt we are all hurt. 3. If one is fighting we are all fighting. 4. You do what has to be done without having to be told. 5. We are all leaders. 6. None of us are too good for any task. 7. Quiet professionalism is the way. 8. Stay out of it until you've earned the right to get into it. 9. Actions drown out the whisper of words. 10. We may fight like cats and dogs with each other, but we will turn like a rapid pack on an outsider. 11. When you walk into that team room, you better be able to do your job to the level to which you were trained. 12. The maximum effective range of an excuse is exactly zero meters. 13. If the team calls, you go. It doesn't matter the hour or the mission. 14. Be the Teammate you want to have. 15. If you take, you owe. Back in the day, it wasn't just schools, bonuses were the same way. 16. Everything you do is a reflection on your team. 17. You never refuse a teammate in need. 18. Being accepted should be hard. 19. You are responsible for maintaining your skillsets. All our lives depend on it. 20. Selection is a continuous and ongoing process that ends the day we die. 21. No sniveling. |
We see this here every month or so, when some wannabe starts asking how long before he can go to Ranger School, or if he can go to SCUBA or MFF school on the way to his team.
To me, that says a lot about the individual. Guys who are looking out for their teammates, or the Army, or who we should select to be SF, if the system was working properly, do not care about collecting schools, or badges, they want to get to their teams ASAP, to get themselves (and their team) ready, and to be the best teammates that they can. And as a HALO guy through and through, truth be told, it ain't nothing but an infiltration technique, along with SWUFO, that has not been highly utilized in our current war on terror. You want to be a good SF guy, get your ass to a team ASAP and start pulling your weight. I guarantee that you will be deployed into combat with them sooner than you think, and they need your help. There will be plenty of time for schools and badges after the team decides that you are qualified and ready to go. TR |
dennisw being cadre who is about to leave swc i have seen alot of young guys who have came through who think it's all hollywood to be sf reminds me of the squils....oooppsss seals
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dennisw,
I bet you wish you had picked a different example now, don't you? |
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A couple of us here know of a young SGT who showed up in the Gp SGM's office and proceeded to tell him he wanted to either go to a Scuba team or the Advanced CQB team and had no desire to serve anywhere else. He got neither and is now a SF Tabbed team leader in the 82nd. Crip |
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There's a list of schools that USAFAC requires each ODA member to have: The team should fill those as slots come available. For NET, that should be MOS specific, instead of "hey who can go to FBCB2 for one week?" yeah....lets send the Bravo.....you know the bravo who can't turn a computer on. Don't laugh, I was in that class with a bravo who had no idea why his team sgt sent him except that he was free for that week. For the cool guy schools, there should be an OML instead of " hey you got a govt pass port?" "you got a GTC?", and "are you an 18C?" good pack your shit, you're going in England in a week. This happened to a buddy of mine in 5th Group. |
There's a reason it's called an A-"Team".
We are not an "Army of One" we operate as a team. We don't take kindly to "free agents". In Special Forces there is nothing "old school" about putting the "Team" first. As far as schools go that's what we do, we train to fight. If a soldier wants a combat school IMO it should not be treated as a carrot to be dangled. I sent soldiers to schools, all I could, to prepare them for war. Given the opportunity I would train all SF'ers in MFF and SCUBA as it would add to their mental toughness. Make no mistake, those "old school" individuals and ideas are why terrorists run away when Special Forces soldiers enter the AOR.;) |
It cracks me up to hear these comments about schools - OML? Based on what on an All-Star team? It's not "your turn" - it's "your mission". Of course we all made the same or similar comments when we first got there too.
Don't worry about it. If you do your job and be the Go To Guy instead of That Guy, it all works out. Those old Company SGMs know what they're doing, they see everything and they talk to the Team Sergeants daily. You don't need another school or badge to do your job - unless it is something really weird, somebody has already been. |
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