ANTIFA...in their own words
 

ANTIFA...in their own words...who are they, what do they want and why are they violent? Interesting insight below.

The excerpts below are but a taste taken directly from an ANTIFA text for your reading pleasure at link below.

ANTIFA The Anti-Fascist’s Handbook

WHO?

“Yet, the reduction of the term to a mere negation obscures an understanding of anti-fascism as a method of politics, a locus of individual and group self-identification, and a transnational movement that adapted preexisting socialist, anarchist, and communist currents to a sudden need to react to the fascist menace.”

Despite the various shades of interpretation, antifa should not be understood as a single-issue movement. Instead, it is simply one of a number of manifestations of revolutionary socialist politics (broadly construed). Most of the anti-fascists I interviewed also spend a great deal of their time on other forms of politics (e.g., labor organizing, squatting, environmental activism, antiwar mobilization, or migrant solidarity work).

“Some antifa groups are more Marxist while others are more anarchist or antiauthoritarian.“

“Given what anarchists, communists, and socialists knew at the time, there is no reason for them to have devoted any time or attention to the early days of fascism.”

“Anti-fascism is pan-revolutionary left politics applied to fighting the Far Right. Therefore, a number of socialist traditions coexist under this umbrella.”

“When I asked the Dutch anti-fascist Job Polak, he shrugged and smirked saying it was a “non- argument that we never felt we should engage with . . . you have the right to speak but you also have the right to be shut up!”

“Much of the antifa reluctance to engage with this issue stems from their rejection of the classically liberal terms of debate that limit political questions about personal and group expression to the confines of legalistic rights-based discourse. For liberals, the prime question is the status of the free speech rights of fascists. For revolutionary socialist antifa, the prime question is the political struggle against fascism; from their perspective, the rights promoted by capitalist parliamentary government are not inherently worthy of respect.”

“anti-fascists generally agree on the broad strokes of fascism such as patriarchy, white supremacy, authoritarianism, and so on.”

“From an anti-fascist perspective, the question is not about establishing a neutral line beyond which right-wing politics cannot cross, but about entirely transforming society by tearing down oppression in all its forms. For revolutionary socialist anti-fascists, the question to ask is, “Who will win the political struggle?”

“Finally, it’s worth adding that militant anti-fascism is but one facet of a larger revolutionary project. Many antifa groups organize not only against fascism, but aim to combat all forms of oppression such as homophobia, capitalism, patriarchy, and so on.”

“Anti-fascists don’t oppose fascism because it is illiberal in the abstract, but because it promotes white supremacy, hetero-patriarchy, ultra-nationalism, authoritarianism, and genocide.”

“Anti-fascists conduct research on the Far Right online, in person, and sometimes through infiltration; they dox them, push cultural milieux to disown them, pressure bosses to fire them, and demand that venues cancel their shows, conferences, and meetings; they organize educational events, reading groups, trainings, athletic tournaments, and fund-raisers; they write articles, leaflets, and newspapers, drop banners, and make videos; they support refugees and immigrants, defend reproductive rights, and stand up against police brutality. But it is also true that some of them punch Nazis in the face and don’t apologize for it.”

“Leftist organizers often find this task to be much easier than liberal pundits because they are immersed in the mechanisms of movement building. They under- stand that to develop, movements need to hold public events, go on marches, pass out propaganda, publish newspapers, launch campaigns, form alliances and coalitions, and establish public offices, social centers, and bookstores. They must establish attractive social and cultural milieux that give new recruits a sense of belonging and a desire to commit to the struggle. For those who have spent years building this infrastructure and weathering the inevitable ebbs and flows in enthusiasm, commitment, and momentum that movement-building entails, it is obvious that the consistent inability to accomplish some or all of these political tactics would be devastating.”

“The anti-fascist dictum “No platform for fascists” also applies to their posters, graffiti, and other propaganda. Anti- fascists place a great deal of emphasis on controlling public space in all senses, and therefore they devote a significant amount of energy to eliminating any public trace of fascism.”

“While taking rigorous security precautions, the anti-fascists made a number of fake profiles of themselves on the far-right group’s online forums...”

““We could only do what we do and get away with it,” Luís said, “because of that interplay” between mass protest and militant action, because it would have been easy for the German police to shut down more isolated black blocs. Still, Luís was also critical of the mass blockade because in the absence of an anticapitalist critique, they ran the risk of simply echoing the German state’s official anti-fascism.”

“Having your city, or at least parts of it, on your side means you have eyes on workplaces, colleges, or neighborhoods beyond your immediate circles. If someone is putting up homophobic stickers in one area, someone who lives there will send your group an e-mail. If someone’s classmate has started trying to recruit for a “white student union,” you will hear about it. When it comes time to call a neo-Nazi’s boss to ask that he be fired, more people will call if they support the work your group does. If one of your mem- bers is arrested or hospitalized, more people will donate.”

“The exceptional spectacle of anti-fascist organizers confronting Nazis is not enough to stem the tide of Trumpism.”

“An anti-fascist outlook has no tolerance for “intolerance.” It will not “agree to disagree.” To those who argue that this would make us no better than Nazis, we must point out that our critique is not against violence, incivility, discrimination, or disrupting speeches in the abstract, but against those who do so in the service of white supremacy, hetero-patriarchy, class oppression, and genocide. The point here is not tactics; it is politics.”

“Our goal should be that in twenty years those who voted for Trump are too uncomfortable to share that fact in public. We may not always be able to change someone’s beliefs, but we sure as hell can make it politically, socially, economically, and sometimes physically costly to articulate them.”

“Anti-fascists must not only concern themselves with those who organize on behalf of white supremacy and those who casually parrot racist slogans, but also those who never say anything at all. Fascist regimes thrive on widespread support, or at least consent, by cultivating pride in, and fear of the loss of, a variety of identities, privileges, and traditions. One of the most important in the context of the resurgent Far Right in the United States is whiteness.”

“...Aimé Césaire rightly concluded that “Europe is indefensible.” So too must we add that, as a modern identity forged through slavery and class rule, whiteness is indefensible.”

“The only long-term solution to the fascist menace is to undermine its pillars of strength in society grounded not only in white supremacy but also in ableism, heteronormativity, patriarchy, nationalism, transphobia, class rule, and many others. This long-term goal points to the tensions that exist in defining anti-fascism, because at a certain point destroying fascism is really about promoting a revolutionary socialist alternative (in my opinion one that is antiauthoritarian and nonhierarchical) to a world of crisis, poverty, famine, and war that breeds fascist reaction.”

“On its own, militant anti-fascism is necessary but not sufficient to build a new world in the shell of the old.”

WHY VIOLENCE?

“On the night of Yiannopoulos’s speech, shortly before it was scheduled to begin, black-clad anti-fascists arrived at the larger ongoing demonstration and started to pull down police barricades, launch fireworks, smash windows, and spray-paint graffiti, causing what was later estimated to be $100,000 worth of damage. And what weeks of advocacy, argumentation, and public dialogue could not accomplish was instead achieved in about fifteen minutes, as the police quickly announced the cancellation of the event, citing security concerns.”

“In truth, violence represents a small though vital sliver of anti-fascist activity.”

https://libcom.org/files/Antifa,%20T...20Handbook.pdf

Lends credence to the old axiom that 'when someone shows you who they are - believe them'

...ANTIFA...they admittedly seek to forcibly suppress all opposition and criticism...using propaganda, slogans, violence, etc., etc., oh, the irony.

ETA: in a more traditional sense ANTIFA appear the useful idiots to a Putin or a Xi Jinping type...who WILL get their “minds right” after the dust settles.

Just heard the President talk about the violence. One of the best speeches he has given. Hopefully will entice local leaders to grab their nut sacks.




LHC

What we are up against (dropped at a protest site).

Democrats with nut sacks. What'll they come up with next?

This may be a bit rambling to some, to those that lived it will be very familiar.

X imeo (in my experience only) I tired of the phony late ‘60’s, 67-70. It was a period of great unrest with no direction, social ambiguity, with no goals, other than to end a war, and resolve race issues, which once you got through the weed, the conversation was left to the adults.

This is no different, 20 somethings, but unlike the late 60”s, this round of insurrection is grounded in that last failed attempt to overthrow democracy. Those organization that supported the 60’s chaos are headed for the grave, they want a legacy, the difference between then and now, is the brutal force exhibited. They want to exact a price and indoctrinate the next generation of disenfranchised with a blood oath, whereas the Huey Newtons, Chistoms where right in your face. Antifa, the ultimate UW.

That said, this has all the hallmarks of domestic foreign actors in the mix. As a lone voice in the woods, this may nor resonate, but the torching of St. Johns, is the very same context as Notre Dame in Paris. Same actors, tell me I’m on drugs, you are in denial.

This is the most subversive time in our collective history, as much as the rule of law must be followed, it must be ignored to preserve our cultural and our social norms. The question is who is willing and when to act.

I’m not that old but old enough to remember my youth growing up in L.A. (Cali) late 60’s and throughout the 70’s. We had plenty of “domestic terrorism” and bad actors then. Some of those I believe ran for office and are still there basking in the twilight glow of this current “scorched earth” policy to regain power and control; lost in the 2016 election of DJT (that just wasn’t supposed to happen!)

When people start robbing banks again with arms (no one can legally purchase or own) to fund their crusade against the man, I might begin to get concerned. Until then bring marshmallows, chocolate and grams and a six-pack or two and enjoy the fireworks.

The next four years will determine if the Republic has been saved or lost forever. Then I hope the shooting starts if it’s not saved.

ODNT, love you, be ready. You may be underestimating the opposition. That said, I pray, I'm wrong and completely off base.

I pray we are all wrong and the Republic will survive. Until then my powder is dry and my hatchet scoured.

Standing by...and watching with disgust what’s happening.

How do we define these activities?

The Department of Defense defines it as "the unlawful use of violence or threat of violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies. Terrorism is often motivated by religious, political, or other ideological beliefs and committed in the pursuit of goals that are usually political."

How is this not exactly what they are trying to do?

TR

TR, just a lot easier to declare them ‘enemy of the state’ because the Constitution is pretty clear on that terminology and we all, most of us in second careers too, still take an oath to defend the nation against “all enemies both foreign and domestic.”

Arson is illegal
Violence (battery) against others is illegal
Unlawful assembly is illegal
Breaking and entering is illegal
Trespassing on private property is illegal
Theft is illegal...

The list of transgressions and unlawful activities go on and on.

These states and cities need to set up and begin using paid for by taxpayer funded stadiums and sports complexes and use them to process these lawbreakers. Bring them in by the bus load, photograph, fingerprint, gather PII and release those that cooperated, lock up those who resist or won’t ID themselves and provide contact information.

Those who associate and identify as Antifa, file charges of past transgressions and build a laundry list of actionable criminal behaviors. I heard today that RICO statutes may apply to Antifa’s leadership.

Penn and ODNT, there is no difference between the '60s radicals and now because the '60s radicals are in seats of power. Pelosi, Kerry, Hillary, Boxer, Feinstein, Jerry Brown, Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, et al, where there at the beginning and are now radicalis emeriti, or soon to be, of the Left. This is their last gasp. They've made tremendous headway in 50 years but failed at the one necessary achievement to overthrow the U.S., abolishing the Second Amendment. And here we are.

I lost sight of that belief but I used to tell myself that the radical youth of the 60s were being voted in to positions of power...Killery Hlinton and her ilk.

Thanks for the the reminder.

Many States and cities believe the solutions to these type of problems are creating (bureaucracy) commissions to fight institutionalized racism and hire more minority police officers.


Seems like we have been down this road before in the recent past......

https://www.governing.com/topics/pub...oversight.html

https://www.heritage.org/report/the-...tect-americans

You just captured my sentiments exactly...
Pray the Republic...

I keep hearing this "line" that is trying to relate and align current events to 1968.

I'm really too young to have an opinion on '68...but this seems to be an attempt to legitimize the current lawlessness and IMHO diminishes and degrades what was going on 52 years ago.

FOG opinions?

That was one of several more things the Obama administration and DOJ did repeatedly to undermine the rule of law in this country.

I firmly believe that he and they did more to screw this country than any President and administration had done before him. Worse than the damage Lynden B. Johnson did with the Civil Rights Act which got this ball rolling on its path of destruction for black peoples.

What we are seeing is a direct and proportional result of how badly Obama/Holder/Lynch screwed this country up. I thought race relations were the best they had ever been before 2009 and after Cambridge “He acted stupidly” moment it all went down the rabbit hole.

The world sure seems upside down right now.

Ponder this - in a Blue State/city you might get arrested for getting a haircut or going to church...but loot a store or burn a church even on multiple nights and you’ll likely get away with it.

FWIW from some of my morning readings:

Yuri Bezmenov, “Deception was My Job”, G. Edward Griffin’s 1984 interview, “Soviet Subversion of the Free World Press”, *******; “[T]he main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all . . . only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process, which we call either ideological subversion . . . What it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American, to such an extent, that despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions” [and then] “The demoralization process in the United States is . . . A person who was demoralized, is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information with the authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom.”

8 Bella Dodd Testimony to House Committee on Un-American Activities, Philadelphia PA, November 16, 1953, 2898; “I was told by Gil Green, chairman of the party in New York State, that if ever communism came to America it would not come under the Socialist label or the Communist label but it would come under a label palatable to the American people.”

Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, The Devin-Adair Company, 1954,150: “Trachtenberg once told me that when communism came to America it would be under the label of ‘progressive democracy.’ ‘It will come,’ he added, ‘in labels acceptable to the American people’.”

10 Communist Party USA (CPUSA) leader Alexander Trachtenberg, “Bella Dodd Explains Communist Ducks” Lecture at Fordham University, 1953,” *******; “When we get ready to take the United States, we will not take it under the label of Communism; we will not take it under the label of Socialism. These labels are unpleasant to the American people, and have been smeared too much. We will take the United States under the labels we have made very lovable; we will take it under liberalism, under progressivism, under democracy. But, take it we will.” (Alexander Trachtenberg, Communist Parties National Convention, Madison Square Garden, 1944)”

"Rule of law" thats hilarious - stop it, you guys are killing me.
I'm curious - is "guffaw" spelled with 1 "F" or 2 ???
Also, should we capitalize the "P" in "pfft" and the "M" in "meh"
These are things I need to know before I post - 'lest my credibility as an observational commentator be brought into question.

Let me tell you guys a story about rule of law
Now, this is a true story.
It happened
To me
...yesterday

Maybe it was a few days ago - could have been longer - in fact, it could have even been a story I heard - who knows - my memory is a little cloudy from what I can only assume is a minor case of temporal disorientation brought on by months of a disrupted circadian rhythm, needless stay at home orders, and unnecessary social distancing measures.

Anyway, this is a true story - it happened when I worked at a local swimming pool -
- There was this guy named CornPop; CornPop was a “bad dude” who “ran a bunch of bad boys”; CornPop didn’t like rules but around MY swimming pool you followed the rule of law – or you had ta’ go !!!
Well - one day, CornPop refused to wear a bathing cap, openly flouting pool rules.
I spotted him on the high dive and I just had to lay down the law. I said, “Hey you – Esther Williams – come down from there and put on your bathing cap on or I’ll come up there and drag you down”
CornPop came down alright, because he knew the rule of law was a thing at my pool!!!

CornPop was also REALLY pissed off – probably because I called him “Esther” in front of his crew. He said he would be waiting for me outside at 12 O'Clock sharp – I was a little afraid – my girlfriend said I should run. The pool mechanic said I should stand up to CornPop but he didn’t want to face CornPop and his gang with me – none of my friends wanted to stand up to CornPop and his gang. I spent the rest of the morning trying to get some foks to help me sort out CornPop and his gang but everyone said the pool was a lot more fun when I wasn’t around and that I should just be smart and leave before things with CornPOp and his gang got rough. Well, my sense of duty and honor are strong. I've never run from anybody before and CornPop was no different – rule of law and all that jazz!!!!

I felt like Gary Cooper in “High Noon”

I went out to the parking lot to face CornPop and sure enough, he was waiting there with three guys all armed with straight razors and all I had was my orange rescue-buoy. I was starting to wish I had never watched that stupid Gary Cooper movie and just left work early like everyone said – but that ain’t me – the rule of law has to be upheld!!!

Instead of calling the police, I took CornPop and his cronies head on. I told CornPop, “First of all, when I tell you to get off the diving board, you get off that diving board, or I’ll kick you out again. But I shouldn’t have called you Esther Williams, I apologize – I’m sorry I called you a name and compromised your dignity in a public setting.”

CornPop backed down because he understood that the rule of law around MY swimming pool meant you had to chill out and act right – and he respected that I apologized for calling him ‘Esther Williams’. (Plus, he saw that my girlfriend had showed up with a cop.) I was pretty upset that the only person out of all my friends that came to help was my girlfriend – but I was also glad that I had stood up to the gang and came out on top.

By now, all the folks that had been hiding inside the bathrooms and locker rooms began to emerge and started to cluster around me. These people all sucked because they wanted to talk about the rule of law but didn’t want to do shit about it when CornPop refused to wear his bathing cap. I had enough of these turds so I threw my orange rescue-buoy in the dirt at the pool mechanics feet, glared at the crowd, and departed with girlfriend in our horse drawn carriage (actually it was a 1973 Ford Pinto with white letter tires and a glass-pack muffler.)

The rule of law matters – whether its people stealing 65-Inch flat screen TVs or CornPop refusing to wear his bathing cap. Upholding the law has nothing to do with fascism. Crying wolf by accusing everyone of fascism when you get rolled up for setting someones car on fire while your buddies are looting the Food King is some weak tea.

And that’s all I’ve got to say about that.

Upside down, inside out..

I read a book awhile back that was posted on here, From Dictatorship to Democracy, which made the point that a civilization/country is headed toward the ultimate train wreck when people are arrested for normal life activities while at the same time true criminals are given a pass. On the low end of the spectrum we have prisoners being let out of jail for Corona Virus, and Rioters being allowed to roam freely in the streets. On the high end of the spectrum you have Federal, State and Local politicians and LE who get a pass on very high crimes.

On the opposite side of the coin the average law abiding citizen must walk on egg shells so as not to receive the wrath of TPTB, and this is a bad omen when TPTB cannot or will not protect Average Joe and Jane.

Add in to that a Media that is nothing more than a propaganda machine and we have a real mess.


It's all a coincidence this is coming to a head in an election year :rolleyes:

Box, I think you and Joe Biden might have been hanging out at the same pool. One of you is telling the truth and the other one believes he was a life-guard. :munchin

Average folks are locked in their homes under curfew while savages rage...”giving them space” clearly is interpreted by looters as tantamount to giving them permission.

Moreover, the legitimate protesters have been infiltrated by (1) ANTIFA and (2) criminal thugs - law enforcement leadership must state this loudly, publicly and clearly to all media...

Bold, decisive action must be taken against (1) ANTIFA and (2) criminals...they are raping American cities and symbols.

The larger, long term threat IMHO is ANTIFA.

To borrow the opening quote set on its own page directly from the linked ANTIFA handbook:

“Fascism is not to be debated, it is to be destroyed!”

It is not a stretch to interpret that quote along with the hundreds of pages of supporting text in the ANTIFA handbook - essentially reinforcing the message in that short quote - “anyone who disagrees or speaks against us IS a fascist and must not be reasoned with or compromised with...but must be destroyed...”

In other words unless you are ANTIFA or submit to ANTIFA you will be destroyed...sound familiar?

Aloha Snackbar!
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Way back, if the LA Mayor had said "give them room" in '65 and they'd have gotten over the Santa Monica Hills into the valley it would've been a massive "Cleanup needed on Ventura Blvd!" M2AP was $6/100 and the place was crawling with WW-II and Korea vets and their families who wouldn't have taken that BS.

Different country then.
:rolleyes:

Lol, black-tips mattered

Nice to see corporate America cowering and accommodating the thugs or is it merely the empty words of a self loathing victim of brainwashing....

Mark Cuban said the most stupid thing I’ve heard today: “White people should abandon their identity, we’re the problem” or something to that effect

Long but the best description of Marxism and the religious overtones of it
 

search for this on the forbidden channel
 

"Why Marxism?" An Evening at FEE with C. Bradley Thompson

Yup. Stupid.

For the record, I’d be pissed (and lobby for criminal charges based on what I saw in various videos) if that knee had crushed the life out of ANYONE who was not resisting.

The perpetrator (in this case the officer) was criminally wrong BIG TIME period. He had the suspect subdued and in control and no longer appeared to require the force imposed by his knee on the neck/throat area.

Is it possible to observe a situation and assign accountability anymore in America without making this strictly a race issue?

The criminal looters are wrong BIG TIME regardless of race.

ANTIFA is instigating insurrection, engaging in violence and subversion and are wrong BIG TIME regardless of race.

The officer who killed Mr. Floyd was wrong BIG TIME regardless of race.

Are these observations regarding the content of character and not color of skin even possible any longer? That’s just rhetorical...there are so many who wish to use and abuse race to divide and conquer this country. Shame on them.

A week or so ago Cuban called Trump lazy. :eek::D

Not sure what the end game is for the far left.
Fail to see how destroying cities run by left wing politicians helps them.

Is destroying areas that vote blue somehow going to cause people living in areas that vote red to change their minds?

The more folks that you make dependent on government, the more power you have over the people.

The nation will not throw states under the bus - "we the people" will be stuck paying for their stupidity. Continued stupidity followed by repeatedly drawing off the teat of the rest of the US drags everyone down.
Its how the Cloward/Piven strategy is designed.

It's how Cloward/Piven has been working successfully in the background for over 50 years.
It works best when people argue that its not really a thing. "Cloward Piven" is just a right wing hoax...
...except for the fact that Richard Cloward and Frances Piven were REAL professors that worked REAL jobs teaching REAL students at Columbia University. They published REAL papers in 1971 and 1977 that openly declared that their goal was the restructuring of the government welfare program that would eventually result in a guaranteed-income program.

Cloward/Piven is probably just another conspiracy hoax by right wing extremists because the citizens in the United States of American Idol are too smart to fall for such silliness.

Excellent take. Thanks for sharing.

“The lecture "Why Marxism?", is an examination of why so many people are still attracted to Marxism despite the history of totalitarianism and genocide.

Professor C. Bradley Thompson is the BB&T Research Professor at Clemson University and the Executive Director of the Clemson Institute for the Study of Capitalism. He has also been a visiting fellow at Princeton and Harvard universities and at the University of London.”

No, it’s the reason people living in blue cities/states move to red cities/states and then vote for blue politicians and bring it all with them. :confused:

Madness I tell you, madness. :mad:

They are commies - and destroying the old fits the loathing, envious philosophy - simultaneously, chaos and an apparent lack of control and “competence” potentially hurts Trump - creates more dependence (see CP discussion by Box) - the most certainly Democrat voting thugs (community organizers) have exerted their dominance in the space (always useful for future reference)...all these things together potentially move the needle farther left on the political spectrum...everything must be torn down in order to rebuild a more “perfect” man/system of social control.

The destruction phase is a useful idiot’s wet dream.

If a person doesn't have a pot to piss in and somebody comes along and says "Follow me and I'll give you a pot to piss in" - by the time they figure out they ain't getting a pot it's too late.

The DNC & ANTIFIA:
 

They are the enforcement wing's of the Radical Communist Democrat Party. Who is the leader of The Party, ?, I think it is still being contested. It is almost certain that HRC, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, & other elected congress people are not the King Makers. Then Who is behind the scenes making the decisions about the future of the Democrat Party? Who is this ghost figure that will pick Joe's Vice Presidential running mate ? The chairman of the DNC ?The Big Money donors, The smoke filled room of political operatives ? ANY CANDIDATES that you the readers of the postings of this web site can think of ?

Once The Commission replaced the capo di tutti capi it became more difficult to read the tea leaves of the Democratic Party...with as much certainty...the Federation might have some say as well as AOC and Star-fleet Command. In years past, the Politburo with the blessing of the Presidium of the Central Committee had some say...Sharon Osbourne, Nick Cannon, Mel B and Howie Mandel will weigh-in along with the required Obama’s giving their blessing. Rumor has it that Heidi Klume and Simon Cowell will cast votes but don’t count out Tyra Banks, Gabrielle Union and Julianne Hough as power brokers in this selection. Bernie Bros will share opinions but they are still sulking.

The ONE thing that you can be absolutely 100% sure of - in the selection of any Democrat VP candidate - will be that said candidate will be THOROUGHLY vetted...how in hell do you think we got Joe Biden? Or, Obama for that matter?

Sorry Tom, you deserve a serious answer to a serious question...but these are Democrats that we’re talking about...soooo as far as I can tell...

...for a variety of reasons my money is on Sofía Margarita Vergara for Biden’s VP candidate !

Bring on the the poolside interviews !

Well... yeah. :D