Signs of Societal collapse
 

These are some of the things that our wise forefathers studied and understood about societies.....that Democrats ignore......The ancient Greek philosopher Polybius (c.200 – c.118 BC) asserted that all nations follow a cycle of; democracy, oligarchy, dictatorship, tyranny and collapse.

According to psychologist Erich Fromm it is possible for an entire nation, if they all share the same vices and errors, to become insane—a "folie a millions". Inhuman treatment by the rulers inevitably leads to collapse;
Despots and ruling cliques can succeed in dominating and exploiting their fellow man DEMOCRATs? ... but their subjects react ... with apathy, impairment of intelligence, initiative and skills ... or they react by the accumulation of such hate and destructiveness as to bring about an end to themselves, their rulers and their system. ... if man lives under conditions contrary to his nature and to human growth and sanity, he cannot help reacting.

Common Changes occurring with collapse

Reversion/Simplification: A society's adaptive capacity may be reduced by either a rapid change in population or societal complexity, destabilizing its institutions and causing massive shifts in population and other social dynamics. In cases of collapse, civilizations tend to revert to less complex, less centralized socio-political forms using simpler technology. These are characteristics of a Dark Age. Examples of such societal collapse are: the Hittite Empire, the Mycenaean civilization, the Western Roman Empire, the Mauryan and Gupta Empires in India, the Mayas, the Angkor in Cambodia, the Han and Tang dynasties in China and the Mali Empire.

Incorporation/Absorption: Alternately, a society may be gradually incorporated into a more dynamic, more complex inter-regional social structure. This happened in Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, the Levantine cultures, the Mughal and Delhi Sultanates in India, Song China, the Aztec culture in Mesoamerica, the Inca culture in South America, and the modern civilizations of China, Japan, and India, as well as many modern states in the Middle East and Africa.

Obliteration: Vast numbers of people in the society die, or the birth rate plunges to a level that causes a dramatic depopulation.
Other changes that may accompany a collapse:

Destratification: Complex societies stratified on the basis of class, gender, race or some other salient factor become much more homogeneous or horizontally structured. In many cases past social stratification slowly becomes irrelevant following collapse and societies become more egalitarian.
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Despecialization: One of the most characteristic features of complex civilizations (and in many cases the yardstick to measure complexity) is a high level of job specialization. The most complex societies are characterized by artisans and tradespeople who specialize intensely in a given task. Indeed, the rulers of many past societies were hyper-specialized priests or priestesses who were completely supported by the work of the lower classes. During societal collapse, the social institutions supporting such specialization are removed and people tend to become more generalized in their work and daily habits. Look at our colleges today producing people with no useful skills

Decentralization: As power becomes decentralized, people tend to be more self-regimented and have many more personal freedoms. In many instances of collapse, there is a slackening of social rules and etiquette. Geographically speaking, communities become more parochial or isolated. For example, following the collapse of the Maya civilization, many Maya returned to their traditional hamlets, moving away from the large cities that had dominated the political landscape.

Destructuralization: Institutions, processes, and artifacts are all manifest in the archaeological record in abundance in large civilizations. After collapse, evidence of epiphenomena, institutions, and types of artifacts change dramatically as people are forced to adopt more self-sufficient lifestyles.

Depopulation: Societal collapse is almost always associated with a population decline. In extreme cases, the collapse in population is so severe that the society disappears entirely, such as happened with the Greenland Vikings, or a number of Polynesian islands. In less extreme cases, populations are reduced until a demographic balance is re-established between human societies and the depleted natural environment. A classic example is the city of Rome, which had a population of about 1.5 million at the peak of the Roman Empire during the reign of Trajan in the early 2nd century AD, but in the Early Middle Ages the population had declined to only around 15,000 inhabitants by the 9th century.

Very interesting - what's the source for this analysis?

Here are some similar thoughts comparing our current situation to that of Spain before their Civil War.
Well worth your time to read.

I got the paste from Wikipedia....it matched the research I have done reading about civilizations and the conditions that were present towards the end.....I found the constant of society becoming homogenous and even reversal of dominant roles as the loudest indicator that is present today here....at least jumps out at me....societies do not seem to survive when the natural order is disturbed almost a hardwire primordial phenomenon.

Its interesting to note like any other natural occurrence that certain patterns have consistent presence as a "sign of the times" almost as if their is a critical mass in which something genetically happens to people under these conditions.....in a primitive example overpopulation leads to resource depletion followed by starvation and de-population....resource recovery...the cycle restarts

Yet in holding scientific discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.
Dwight D. Eisenhower.

IE Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Wikipedia.

What the universe will look like when Twitter and Facebook accounts meltdown next time Apple says we have a battery problem and your older model iPhone will need to be replaced because it’s the old battery technology that’s the problem. It’s the battery stupid! This will of course affect Samsung, LG and Motorola as the batteries are all secretly made by the North Koreans in the same Tajikistan factory using lithium mined in Afghanistan.


End of the world mayhem for sure!

You are exactly correct and somewhere back in my education I recall a whole science on the subject. I think it was systems biology?? IIRC ;)

The Ultra Liberal Left "Progressive"Leadership:
 

Will the old white men, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden etc. continue to lead the democrat party or will the old women prevail, Senator's Warren, K Harris, take the leadership of the party. I think the younger "more attractive" newcomers like AOC, Beto O Rourke will rise to the top of the democrat party. A new billboard in Times Square "Thanking" AOC, the barmaid congresswoman for killing the Amazon NYC Hqs. Socialism at it's best? NOT HELPING ANYONE.

I can't wait to see the backstabbing battle royale when they start debating each other....I have always said it the Democrats are a loose nit group of misfits who are constantly at each others throats and align themselves with whomever they can recruit into their tribe that can further their own agenda

It seems logical to me....their is next to nothing that nature does not eventually take over and correct...even when species go extinct the ecosystem adapts...Great Minds think alike brother

IMHO, the larger threat is the misappropriation of scientific thought/evidence to support a specific policy agenda or social narrative, by the political elite. e.g. Margaret Sanger and eugenics. A little knowledge can be a very dangerous thing! I can only imagine the nonsense AOC will come up with next purportedly supported by scientific evidence. :eek:

Anybody tracking on the Sokal Hoax pulled off by Peter Boghossian ( and James Lindsay?


This was my personal favorite... and was SO close to getting published

Wasn't aware of this. Am certainly following this now. Thanks for posting! Academia :mad:

Used to be a checklist called "Indications of an Incipient Insurgency". I think if someone were to start checking the boxes, most of them would be marked. Makes one wonder what the tipping point is.

And this more recently:

How three MIT students fooled the world of scientific journals
A decade later, CSAIL alumni reflect on their paper generator and reveal a new fake-conference project.

Oh, those scamps at MIT. :D

There was a Masters Thesis from NPS that discussed an modern day insurgency in the USA.
https://calhoun.nps.edu/handle/10945/5739

...it could NEVER happen to us - we are too 'connected'


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Our 2 year election cycles does release pressure as insurgencies gain momentum....and we can peacefully take over.....but anyone that thinks we are immune are not paying attention....the long game has been going hundreds of years.....the real traction was gained during civil rights....and today the radical outcasts have seized our education systems and have nearly seized the government. This is counterinsurgency and this brings me back to Roger Stones deep state map and those who are seemingly unaware that their is a higher concentration of LGB...T? within the CIA/FBI ranks and the methods being used are as pointed out straight out doctrinal....no doubt their are influencers advising others on organizational power and messaging...smells of some Gene Sharp methodology

Just skimmed Sauers Thesis. Looks like an interesting read and worthy of a deep dive. Insurgency has been operating for the last 25 years at least. Formulating thoughts on countermeasures that can be employed. Will post some thoughts after I digest this. Eager to read the thoughts of others in this thread. :lifter

Take a kid shooting or hunting..

encourage people to put down the phone and unplug from data saturation.
(think for them self's not what is trending)

for starters.

Excellent point and something we all can and should do!:D

“IMAGINING THE IMPOSSIBLE: INSURGENCY IN THE U.S.A.” by Eric F. Sauer Major, United States Army is a very interesting read and I highly recommend doing so. In my opinion, if Major Sauer were to write this today, eight years later, the title would not include “imagining the impossible” and would be more of a discussion of the nature and critical factors that characterize the current insurrection.

The factors that existed at the time this was written [2011] were largely mitigated by the election of Donald Trump in 2016. With that thought in mind, Sauer’s thesis can be viewed as a treatise on the societal consequences of the 2016 election.

IMHO, we are engaged in a culture war/ideological war with the dominant modality being that as described and promoted by the likes of Gene Sharp. Unfortunately the insurgents have a 75 year head start on the rest of us and have already co-opted academia including primary secondary and higher educational institutions, not to mention the media, federal bureaucracy, and judiciary.

The election of Donald Trump has at least shaped the battlefield in a manner such that we can fight back.

So my question to all of you is what are the critical factors and critical points that we need to focus on in order to preserve our liberty?

Reclaim the public education system from radicals and eliminate tenure and the teachers union...if we do not we are lost by the next generation whom will be the LEO's, military etc....I argue that information nd ideology has become the new education

Make law that governs news as news and partisan opinion networks must identify its agenda...no infringement on free speech...also legal recourse and punishment for a news network to publish partial truths out of context lying to the public masquerading as fact followed by partisan opinion should be punishable and considered a call to actio and not free speech

Well, I think you just handed ammunition to the insurgents.:eek:

As a rule of thumb, any action that requires construction of new law probably should be rethought especially if it limits the liberty of any group. Let's focus our efforts on dismantling the infrastructure that supports the insurgents. Congressional term limits and repeal of the 17th Amendment would be two actionable items toward that end IMO.

The most important thing Trump has done is ensuring the Supreme Court has remained conservative. It is imperative that we vote Trump in as President again in 2020. He will be nominating at least one, maybe two more Supreme Court justices.

The most important action is the prosecution of senior DOJ/FBI officials for their abuse of power. Sending these people to jail for their criminal acts will send a very important message to the other insurgents. IMO their actions constitute the single greatest threat to our Republic since the Civil War!

^^^this^^^as well as the lower federal courts and appeals courts. The balance of power in the courts shifted left far too much over the years. Also, the Ninth Circuit jurisdiction needs to be broken up and redefined or the creation of yet another Circuit Court of Appeals established to more align with the population. If the Supreme Court has to decide every small detail of our lives and involve itself in States matters as much as it has been lately then perhaps abolishing the lower courts altogether is a step forward.

It would also be good for the country to clean house and abolish unnecessary, duplicat, and unenforceable laws on the books and streamline the USC to bring it inline with not only the 21 century but to simplify its Constitutional bearing. There have become too many knee jerk restrictive laws decided by “opinion” and “feel good politics” and not “facts” that are unconstitutional on face value.

We are either a Constitutional Republic or we are not. Popular opinion about the definition of “democracy” and democratic principles have nothing whatsoever to do with the Democratic or Republican parties and if your civics class failed to teach that then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

There are already laws in the books that do that libel, slander, calls to action and hate speech is non its way all from the insurgents

But since that has not worked then as someone else stated clean out the DOJ it should be punishable to operate under an ideology other than the law and promote partisanship

We cannot rule out the impact the PSYOP's misinformation and deception of the left is having

Well, the commie sh*t bags are crawling out from under the rocks, throwing off the masks and telegraphing their agenda. I wonder if they can fathom the level trouble they're screaming for. Historically, teachers are usually the first casualties of whatever twisted branch of the socialist tree that falls on a country. I hate to say it but it could still happen but not for the reasons one might expect. The tree might find itself not only get hacked down to a stump, but the roots ripped up from the ground as well and the whole thing burned to ash.

The country would be better off, though.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ty-organizing/

IMO the Socialist fruits have ripened and are bending the tree branches to the ground, The problem is here in America no one wants to pick and eat this fruit so they will fall on the ground and disappear as fertilizer just like the Tea Party did.

Congress could hack it down to the stump but they need the tree so they can sit in it or climb to the top to throw things at all of us. (picture ape at the zoo throwing crap at bystanders)

Alternatively, we can teach our children that the only difference between a newspaper and a trashy tabloid is the target audience.

I think most Patriots do that now....be your child's hero and someone to respect and they will follow your politics out of trust and eventually out of understanding

The issue with children these days is the influence of the education system and the manipulation of educators through means such as peer pressure, psychology and well crafted curriculum that is difficult to compete with....we can teach our children but it takes effort to show them through example what is right and wrong...the education system, Entertainment is slanted towards liberal left in every visual, subliminal, storyline way as possible. modern pop music is an onslaught on decent values....the crazy radical activist hippies of the 60's that were social misfits have gained control of nearly every facet of societies structure....the radicals are the major influencers of our children. They are crazy but they understand how to make it happen...they have targeted the youth and lobby for more and more legitimacy of a developing child's opinion....they also know the science behind brain development and when a young person generally gains full control of their executive function of the brain in their mid twenties when the impulsive over reactions start to fade and maturity sets in.....that precious time between 18-25 the age of irrationality is who they are co opting to get their message and agendas pushed through.....before they are wise enough to grasp the impact it will have on them

The *world* gets to have more time with our kids than we - the parents - do. That's why parents' involvement in their children's lives is so important. We are their foundation and we have to make sure it's built strongly or the opposing forces will erode it. That's one of the reasons I spend as much time mentoring kids as I can. I take my fight against the *world's influence* in our kids lives seriously.

"that precious time between 18-25 the age of irrationality is who they are co opting to get their message and agendas pushed through"

It is also the time when they are offered the world NOW with payments differed to another time. (Credit cards, college loans, adjustable rate mortgage,....insert other too good to true offer here)

When payment comes due, too many have learned (erroneously ) "it's not your fault, you were taken advantage of by the system"

Student loan forgiveness is coming on a massive scale.
Due to this and other factors (like worthless majors with no return on investment) the higher education bubble will pop.

We do not need that many Philosophy and Social Science majors we need craftsman, Vocational technical training actual trade schools someone with an MBA, History degree etc....isn't bring anything to the table that experience does not teach....you can read basket weaving, philosophy etc...in your own time in the library useless degrees are exactly these they don't benefit society they don't build anything they do not understand the tangible world as most of us do like what survival and success looks like in real life the life we all experience.....god knows we don't need delusions of higher education we need producers, skilled workers etc....the machine needs replacement parts.....not shade tree quarterback kids and those who can't do that teach wrecking the success of entrepreneurship and hard work....there are very few jobs that actually require more than trade school training....How do we get people to quit praying to the higher education gods as being something they are not

I think this pretty much sums things up regarding the trades.

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IQ tests are illegal for civilian employers to use in the US.
For a time, a college degree was an effective proxy.

Admission standards have lowered, so this is no longer effective.
Now, employers tend only to value degrees for STEM majors, because those are the only ones left that are effective proxies for IQ tests.

Many didn't understand that a degree itself wasn't the golden ticket.
So, easy majors were an easy sale to the naive, and a bubble was created.

The combination of feminism and excessive student loans largely contributed to the inflation of this bubble.
Not politically correct to say it, but the majority of worthless degrees and student debt (especially relative to income) is held by women.

This gender disparity (the debt gap) will increase.
Eventually, a clever politician will push for student loan forgiveness to secure the women's vote.

The earners will be stuck with the bill.

Oddly enough, philosophy majors tend to be quite intelligent.
Only about one-half of one percent of bachelor degrees awarded are majors in philosophy.

https://thetab.com/us/2017/04/10/whi...ghest-iq-64811

In the old days (before 2000) a good Philosophy program turned out a disciplined thinker. I could go quite easily from symbolic logic (a Philosophy discipline) to FORTRAN programming and systems analysis. Today's product seems to have difficulty placing a thought in a sentence.

Well if they do it we need to request Student Loan Reparations so we can recoup our money that we should not have had to spend. :eek:

My father-in-law and his sister endowed a scholarship at Redlands University, in CA, and I read one of the essays written by one of the female recipients. My 7th grade English teacher would have failed her. Even my FiL and his sister agreed that it was incomprehensible but did nothing to ensure that the money would be better spent in the future.