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angus mac 11-13-2017 12:45

Murder of Green Beret by Navy Seal’s
 
U.S.Army S/Sgt.Logan Melgar possibly murdered by two U.S.Navy SEAL’s. I just read about this and decided to post it. This happened in Mali. The murder is still under investigation.

Guymullins 11-13-2017 14:12

Looks very "fishy" to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by angus mac (Post 635158)
U.S.Army S/Sgt.Logan Melgar possibly murdered by two U.S.Navy SEAL’s. I just read about this and decided to post it. This happened in Mali. The murder is still under investigation.


CloseDanger 11-13-2017 22:55

Green Beret Discovered SEALs’ Illicit Cash. Then He Was Killed.

Slingstone 11-15-2018 13:03

2 SEALs and 2 Raiders have been charged with Melgar's murder and lying to investigators.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/seals-...melgars-murder

DD-458 published at the bottom of the article.

tom kelly 11-16-2018 16:08

Green Beret Murder !!!
 
4 individuals involved in crime.....Which one will make a deal to save himself????

glebo 11-17-2018 03:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom kelly (Post 647541)
4 individuals involved in crime.....Which one will make a deal to save himself????

One of'em will turn. May they rot in hell...bastards...:mad:

Joker 11-17-2018 06:52

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Originally Posted by glebo (Post 647559)
One of'em will turn. May they rot in hell...bastards...:mad:

This, you can count on.

Basenshukai 11-17-2018 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joker (Post 647560)
This, you can count on.

I'm guessing one of the Marines will.

cbtengr 11-17-2018 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basenshukai (Post 647586)
I'm guessing one of the Marines will.

They all took part in this crime, none is any less guiltier than the other. I hope to hell the prosecution does not need one of them to roll.

Joker 11-18-2018 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basenshukai (Post 647586)
I'm guessing one of the Marines will.

I am guessing that they should have paid attention to the block of instruction in SERE on gay roommates. It might help them in prison...

Predict less than 30-days before at least one turns.

WarriorDiplomat 04-16-2019 15:37

UPDATE more detailed story
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp

After a long night of drinking in Mali’s capital, two Navy SEALs and two Marine Raiders smashed their way into Army Staff Sgt. Logan J. Melgar’s room with a sledgehammer.

Armed with duct tape, they had a goal, two of the alleged assailants recalled: Teach the Green Beret soldier a lesson for leaving them behind in traffic on the way to a party at the French Embassy. It was the latest chapter in a feud between Melgar and the SEALs, who had traded accusations about careless behavior that could threaten their mission.

One of the SEALs, Petty Officer 1st Class Anthony E. DeDolph, a former professional mixed-martial arts fighter and Purple Heart recipient, jumped on Melgar and put him in a chokehold on his bed sometime after 5 a.m., two of the men later told authorities. The other SEAL, Chief Petty Officer Adam C. Matthews, grabbed Melgar’s legs, while the two Marines sought to duct-tape them.

They moved on to Melgar’s wrists, but realized he had stopped breathing.
“At this point, we immediately began attempts to revive SSGT Melgar,” Matthews recalled in a written description of that night’s events that he recently signed and submitted to the military. “He remained unresponsive, so we laid him back down and I began rescue breaths while the tape was cut off of him.” “His chest rose and fell from my rescue breaths, and during one of the breaths, I saw red-tinted spittle come out of his mouth and hit me in the face.”

All four men face the same raft of charges, including felony murder, obstruction of justice and hazing, according to U.S. military documents, in the June 4, 2017, death of Melgar, a member of 3rd Special Forces Group who had served two previous deployments in Afghanistan.

The case drew attention to criminal misconduct allegedly committed by elite U.S. troops deployed to several countries to carry out secretive campaigns against Islamist militant groups, including some affiliated with al-Qaeda.

DeDolph and Matthews, another Purple Heart recipient, were members of the counterterrorism unit commonly known as SEAL Team 6. The other two men, Gunnery Sgt. Mario Madera-Rodriguez and Staff Sgt. Kevin Maxwell, were assigned to Marine Corps Special Operations Command.

Some aspects of the case, including the names of the accused and allegations of a coverup, have been reported previously. But hundreds of pages of legal filings obtained by The Washington Post provide new details about the events surrounding the deadly assault.

The documents throw back a veil of secrecy on a culture in which womanizing and heavy drinking were said to be commonplace in the city of Bamako, despite alcohol restrictions and warnings about kidnappings and terrorist threats.
In “stipulations of fact” — effectively, accounts of what occurred submitted to authorities, and not previously reported by the news media — Matthews and Maxwell acknowledge their roles in Melgar’s death. Attorneys for both men said plea-deal discussions for their clients are underway, as reported by the Daily Beast in March, but declined to discuss most of the specifics.
Brian Bouffard, an attorney for Maxwell, said the men never intended to harm Melgar.

Grover Baxley, Matthews’s attorney, confirmed that his client has reached a pretrial agreement with the government in which his client will plead guilty to lesser charges that include hazing and assault. His case will be referred to a special court-martial , Baxley said. It is considered less serious than a general court-martial and limits the punishment to no more than a year of imprisonment.
Attorneys for DeDolph and Madera-Rodriguez did not respond to requests for comment.

No one else has been charged in the case, said Elizabeth Baker, a U.S. military spokeswoman. She declined to comment on many of the details in the documents, citing the open court cases. A hearing in the case was scheduled in December and March and postponed both times. No additional dates have been scheduled, she said.

The documents leave some questions raised in earlier news reports unanswered, including what else might have caused friction among the men.
“It’s still a tragic situation, but the motivations behind what happened that night are nothing like what was reported,” Baxley said.

Accusations and anger
The documents describe months of tension between Melgar and DeDolph and another SEAL who was not charged. Melgar and the SEALs lived in the same house, while the Marines lived a few blocks away.
To limit their interactions, the SEALs banned Melgar and another Special Forces soldier from their operations center, another soldier who also lived there later told Naval Criminal Investigative Service agents, according to U.S. military documents.

In the weeks leading up to assault, Melgar brought foreigners to the residence, the other soldier said. He added that Melgar had engaged in “frat-like” behavior and had acted in ways that got them both “uninvited” from events at the U.S. Embassy. The Washington Post is not naming several other Americans who have not been charged with a crime at the request of military officials due to security concerns.

“Logan, Tony, everyone had a turn at it,” the other soldier said of excessive drinking, acknowledging that he also consumed alcohol on occasion.
Earlier media reports said that Melgar did not drink.

Melgar, for his part, had accused the SEALs of bringing prostitutes to the house, a detail that was first reported by the Daily Beast last year. The other soldier living in the house, asked by investigators about the prostitution allegation, declined to answer directly but said infidelity occurred among some people living there, the documents said. Melgar vented about the men to his wife, Michelle, in a series of messages that she turned over to authorities. “I freaking hate them,” Melgar told her. She has asked not to be contacted by reporters, U.S. military officials said.
A plan takes shape over beers and whiskey at the western-themed Appaloosa bar and a nightclub called Byblos, the men discussed hazing Melgar, service members involved and witnesses told investigators.

Some of the service members visited the Byblos nightclub in Bamako on the night of the fatal assault, witnesses told investigators. Melgar returned home a few hours after leaving the other service members behind on the way to the French Embassy party, and said he had made the right decision because it was a “high-class” event, the other soldier told NCIS agents a few months later, according to NCIS documents. Melgar said he had two or three beers there, the other soldier reported to investigators. Matthews, in his stipulation of facts, said he and the other three men who were charged agreed to tape him up when they returned to the shared Navy-Army residence. The Marines brought more duct tape and a sledgehammer from their residence nearby. “The sledgehammer was not required for us to gain entrance to SSGT Melgar’s room, but we used it because we thought that the noise associated with it would further surprise him,” wrote Matthews, who was visiting Bamako for a few days. Within minutes, the situation had spiraled out of control.

The service members attempted CPR on Melgar, and then retrieved a defibrillator and equipment to open an airway with an emergency procedure on his throat. They considered calling an ambulance, but determined it would take too long and took him to a nearby clinic. Melgar was declared dead there.
In the following hours, the men hatched a plan in which the SEALs would take the blame and say that the Marines had not been in the room when DeDolph put Melgar in a chokehold, the stipulations of fact said.

The men also sought to cover their tracks in other ways. The other soldier deployed with Melgar told NCIS agents that he directed one of the Marines to throw away the alcohol in the house because any service member subject to General Order No. 1 — which restricts alcohol consumption while deployed — would “get smoked” by authorities, according to an NCIS report in court filings.
In the chaos, the crime scene was not fully sealed for hours, the documents allege. Scott Patterson, an assistant regional security officer with the State Department, entered Melgar’s room with Madera-Rodriguez serving as a witness. Patterson was unaware that the Marine would later be accused of being involved in the death.

Jason Willis, the regional security officer in Mali, told investigators that when he arrived at the clinic, Matthews was shirtless and had“blood all over his hands.” DeDolph initially said the men had been wrestling, Willis told investigators, but he was “pacing, in a state of shock, repeating himself and ‘not lucid.’ ” DeDolph also had blood on his hands, Patterson told investigators.

A State Department spokesman declined to comment, citing the open cases.
In text messages included in the investigative files obtained by The Post, Madera-Rodriguez told an American woman who had been out drinking with them that night that he thinks “about Logan’s family all the time.” DeDolph was “out of his mind” after Melgar's death, he said.

The woman, who was working in Mali with the U.S. government, recalled speaking with DeDolph that morning several hours after the assault.
“I had a moment alone with him at the table,” she wrote. “He said he kills people for a living, but not Americans.”
dan.lamothe@washpost.com

glebo 04-17-2019 07:16

Wow, such tangled webs.. I hope they get what's coming to them

JJ_BPK 04-17-2019 08:26

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DeDolph and Matthews, another Purple Heart recipient, were members of the counterterrorism unit commonly known as SEAL Team 6. The other two men, Gunnery Sgt. Mario Madera-Rodriguez and Staff Sgt. Kevin Maxwell, were assigned to Marine Corps Special Operations Command.

Accusations and anger

The documents describe months of tension between Melgar and DeDolph and another SEAL who was not charged. Melgar and the SEALs lived in the same house, while the Marines lived a few blocks away.

To limit their interactions, the SEALs banned Melgar and another Special Forces soldier from their operations center, another soldier who also lived there later told Naval Criminal Investigative Service agents, according to U.S. military documents.

In the weeks leading up to assault, Melgar brought foreigners to the residence, the other soldier said. He added that Melgar had engaged in “frat-like” behavior and had acted in ways that got them both “uninvited” from events at the U.S. Embassy.

“Logan, Tony, everyone had a turn at it,” the other soldier said of excessive drinking, acknowledging that he also consumed alcohol on occasion.

Earlier media reports said that Melgar did not drink.

Melgar, for his part, had accused the SEALs of bringing prostitutes to the house, a detail that was first reported by the Daily Beast last year.

The other soldier living in the house, asked by investigators about the prostitution allegation, declined to answer directly but said infidelity occurred among some people living there, the documents said.

Melgar vented about the men to his wife, Michelle, in a series of messages that she turned over to authorities. “I freaking hate them,” Melgar told her. She has asked not to be contacted by reporters, U.S. military officials said.

Looks like someone is dumping on Melgar :mad::mad::mad:

Old Dog New Trick 04-17-2019 08:58

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 651003)
Looks like someone is dumping on Melgar :mad::mad::mad:

To paraphrase the article above...[He was “uninvited” from and before the “very high profile” Embassy party at which he was “attending” the night before his murder]

What part of that and the other ‘deflections of blame’ sound inconsistent with the witnesses statements that are already based on lies?

Matthews statement I began to perform CPR and rescue breathing on him and his “chest rose and fell” with each breath...but we decided to perform a botched cricothyrotomy because... because we know that DeDolph a MMA fighter crushed his larynx/trachea and he knew it!

But that’s not what killed him it’s more likely than not (according to my medical background and I have not seen an autopsy) that DeDolph broke his neck at C1-C2 and severed the nerves controlling life below that. JMO

And WTF does their award of a PH have to do with their actions in Mali? Am I supposed be more sympathetic to them? fu*k’em!

Box 04-17-2019 09:00

I wouldn't say that some folks are "above" the law - but they certainly do look down on it....

WarriorDiplomat 04-17-2019 18:43

The update reads IMO like a college age group that got drunk and out of hand....wasn't Melgar with another GB? was this guy disloyal to his partner?

abc_123 04-17-2019 21:48

Gotta make sure to mention who was PH recipients to somehow try to soften the narrative.

Does Leavenworth have a good gym and tanning facility?

JJ_BPK 06-06-2019 07:47

[RANT]
Fuck the squeals and the rubber duck they rode in on :mad::mad:

The squeals Chain of Command have been dragging their flippers in the hopes the public will lose interest and this murder will all disappear on the outgoing tide.

These four AH's MURDERED SSG Melgar and their COC has tried to cover it up, FOR TWO(2) YEARS :mad::mad:

Well, it isn't and it won't.

Post to your social media of choice
Post to your swamp critters
Post to any & all

[/RANT]


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Two U.S. Navy SEALs and two Marines are charged in the death of Army Staff Sergeant Logan Melgar, who was killed in Mali in 2017. (Reuters)
By Dan Lamothe
June 5 at 2:11 PM

Four elite U.S. Special Operations troops charged in the death of a Green Beret soldier in Mali plotted to record him being sexually assaulted as part of a plan to embarrass him through hazing, according to one of the accused service members.

Marine Staff Sgt. Kevin Maxwell said in a written stipulation of facts submitted for the case that the plan included bursting into Army Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar’s bedroom in the capital city of Bamako with a sledgehammer, choking him until he fell unconscious, tying him up and recording the sexual assault on video. The service members involved had just returned from a night of drinking, he said.

Those statements in part match the testimony of Chief Special Warfare Operator Adam C. Matthews, a former member of the Navy’s SEAL Team 6, who pleaded guilty in the case last month.

But Maxwell, a Marine Raider who was in Bamako to assist the SEALs, also told authorities about the sexual assault plan, according to the stipulation. A copy of it was obtained by The Washington Post and verified with two sources who are familiar with the investigation. They did so on the condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the matter.

The four service members charged in the case were joined in the room by a Malian security guard and a British man who had befriended the Americans, Maxwell told authorities. The security guard was to carry out the sexual assault, while the British national planned to record it on a cellphone, Maxwell wrote. Those accusations have not previously been disclosed.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.f77fbe51db46


Sohei 06-06-2019 08:48

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Originally Posted by WarriorDiplomat (Post 651021)
The update reads IMO like a college age group that got drunk and out of hand....wasn't Melgar with another GB? was this guy disloyal to his partner?

The part of this that makes me the maddest is the fact that it almost appears that they had to "get drunk" in order to carry out something they had planned. For some reason -- and it may just be me -- there seems to be more to this story than what they are admitting to. People get drunk all the time, but they don't do things like this. I've been wrong plenty of times before, and may be in this case as well, but it just seems like more than a "drunken accident."

JJ_BPK 06-06-2019 09:14

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Originally Posted by Agoge2 (Post 651816)
The part of this that makes me the maddest is the fact that it almost appears that they had to "get drunk" in order to carry out something they had planned. For some reason -- and it may just be me -- there seems to be more to this story than what they are admitting to. People get drunk all the time, but they don't do things like this. I've been wrong plenty of times before, and may be in this case as well, but it just seems like more than a "drunken accident."

More than one news source has published that there were funds stolen and SSG Melgar was about to report it.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/seals-...melgars-murder

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/u...li-melgar.html

This was not a drunken ACCIDENT that went South. :mad:

Sohei 06-06-2019 09:21

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 651821)
More than one news source has published that there were funds stolen and SSG Melgar was about to report it.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/seals-...melgars-murder

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/u...li-melgar.html

This was not a drunken ACCIDENT that went South. :mad:

Yes sir, I remember those allegations being shown early on during the investigation. It's as though those have taken a back seat currently and more emphasis is being placed on their being drunk and things getting out of hand. If the claims concerning the money were true, it needs to be known and shown that these guys are more than drunken idiots and are criminals who executed a plan to take care of the person they felt was going to reveal their crimes. For all we know, their drunk story is simply their conceived "alibi". I tend to overthink these things, but that comes after investigating homicides for 30 years.

JJ_BPK 06-06-2019 09:28

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Originally Posted by Agoge2 (Post 651822)
If the claims concerning the money were true,

Where is ‎Julian Assange?

Sohei 06-06-2019 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 651823)
Where is ‎Julian Assange?

That one is too far off for me these days....:D

abc_123 06-06-2019 15:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agoge2 (Post 651822)
Yes sir, I remember those allegations being shown early on during the investigation. It's as though those have taken a back seat currently and more emphasis is being placed on their being drunk and things getting out of hand. If the claims concerning the money were true, it needs to be known and shown that these guys are more than drunken idiots and are criminals who executed a plan to take care of the person they felt was going to reveal their crimes. For all we know, their drunk story is simply their conceived "alibi". I tend to overthink these things, but that comes after investigating homicides for 30 years.

Yes... all these guys are guilty. The "drunk prank" story is likely damage control.. and takes decades off of prison sentences. Whether they intended to kill or not.. .they killed. IF for the purpose of intimidation to cover up a crime then that is a whole different ballgame.

Basenshukai 06-06-2019 18:22

How it all comes together...
 
This is my theory:

The SEALs and their Marine buddies knew they'd be totally screwed (UCMJ and more) once Melgar came out with the disclosure of the stolen OPFUND.

They needed something to put over his head to blackmail him into not reporting their illegal acts. So, they decide to choke him into unconsciousness, have those dirt bags film that video of him, and then present this to him as a quid-pro-quo (i.e., you don't tell on us and this video does not get out).

This is the reason they had to involve two others who were not going to be identifiable to any one in any of the units. The logic behind this is easy. Once Melgar was shown the sexual assault video, if the offenders in the assault were the SEALs or the Marines, they'd be implicated and just as guilty. But, if the video just showed some random guy no one has ever seen, then Melgar would have to consider the embarrassment the video would bring him, and only him.

This is how the OPFUND allegation, and the frat-boy night time stunt fit in together in this arc of a story. They were covering up a criminal act (trying to) and it went way wrong and now, they are facing murder charges, plus they stole one of our best brothers in the process. So yeah, fuck them. Those units need a definite overhaul.

doctom54 06-06-2019 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basenshukai (Post 651835)
This is my theory:

The SEALs and their Marine buddies knew they'd be totally screwed (UCMJ and more) once Melgar came out with the disclosure of the stolen OPFUND.

They needed something to put over his head to blackmail him into not reporting their illegal acts. So, they decide to choke him into unconsciousness, have those dirt bags film that video of him, and then present this to him as a quid-pro-quo (i.e., you don't tell on us and this video does not get out).

This is the reason they had to involve two others who were not going to be identifiable to any one in any of the units. The logic behind this is easy. Once Melgar was shown the sexual assault video, if the offenders in the assault were the SEALs or the Marines, they'd be implicated and just as guilty. But, if the video just showed some random guy no one has ever seen, then Melgar would have to consider the embarrassment the video would bring him, and only him.

This is how the OPFUND allegation, and the frat-boy night time stunt fit in together in this arc of a story. They were covering up a criminal act (trying to) and it went way wrong and now, they are facing murder charges, plus they stole one of our best brothers in the process. So yeah, fuck them. Those units need a definite overhaul.

That's what I have thought also about this murder of a brother.

Combat Diver 06-07-2019 00:26

SOCOM is dragging their ass on this and also on the murder of retired SF Rick Rodriguez in Erbil on New Years day this year by MARSOC and a SEAL. :mad:

CD

glebo 06-10-2019 06:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basenshukai (Post 651835)
This is my theory:

The SEALs and their Marine buddies knew they'd be totally screwed (UCMJ and more) once Melgar came out with the disclosure of the stolen OPFUND.

They needed something to put over his head to blackmail him into not reporting their illegal acts. So, they decide to choke him into unconsciousness, have those dirt bags film that video of him, and then present this to him as a quid-pro-quo (i.e., you don't tell on us and this video does not get out).

This is the reason they had to involve two others who were not going to be identifiable to any one in any of the units. The logic behind this is easy. Once Melgar was shown the sexual assault video, if the offenders in the assault were the SEALs or the Marines, they'd be implicated and just as guilty. But, if the video just showed some random guy no one has ever seen, then Melgar would have to consider the embarrassment the video would bring him, and only him.

This is how the OPFUND allegation, and the frat-boy night time stunt fit in together in this arc of a story. They were covering up a criminal act (trying to) and it went way wrong and now, they are facing murder charges, plus they stole one of our best brothers in the process. So yeah, fuck them. Those units need a definite overhaul.

That may be true, but IF the video did get out, don't ya think they would track down who made it. Hopefully it would've led to the dirtbags who were conspiring

Just my .02 worth. However, it would still be greatly embarrassing to SSG Melgar.

Basenshukai 06-10-2019 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by glebo (Post 651904)
That may be true, but IF the video did get out, don't ya think they would track down who made it. Hopefully it would've led to the dirtbags who were conspiring

Just my .02 worth. However, it would still be greatly embarrassing to SSG Melgar.

Sure. But, the video was to be made as leverage. Think of it as a bluff in a poker game. And, don't forget, criminals may be imaginative but they are rarely intellectual giants.

JJ_BPK 08-06-2019 09:32

This circus just gets stranger by the hour.

:mad::mad::mad::mad:



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NCIS agent taken off Green Beret murder investigation for reportedly being romantically involved with a witness, Jeff Schogol, August 05, 2019 at 12:49 PM

An NCIS agent was removed from the investigation into the June 2017 hazing death of Special Forces Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar for reportedly having a romantic relationship with a witness.

The Daily Beast reporter Kevin Maurer first reported that defense attorneys for two of the special operators charged with murder and other offenses in connection with Melgar's death will argue that the NCIS agent became romantically involved with the witness, who worked in the intelligence community.

NCIS spokesman Jeff Houston confirmed to Task & Purpose that an agent had been removed from the case but he declined to say why.

"Upon receipt of a credible misconduct allegation, NCIS immediately removed the agent from the investigation and referred the matter for appropriate action, consistent with applicable Human Resources guidelines and policies," Houston said in a statement.

https://taskandpurpose.com/ncis-roma...MMQ8dxBXErMjQc

Box 08-06-2019 10:08

I wish "they" would cease and desist with this silly bullshit about "the hazing death" of a Soldier.

He was choked out with the admitted intent of sexually assaulting him and then using video of the event to blackmail him.

"hazing death" is some of the most infuriating shit that I can imagine

The Navy investigators are showing the same incompetence that they used to fake prosecute the Fat Leonard scandal and the same incompetence that they used in the Gallagher case

Go Navy

Ret10Echo 01-24-2021 07:17

Navy SEAL Who Choked Green Beret to Death Sentenced to 10 Years

DeDolph gets 10 years

JimP 01-24-2021 07:41

Echo, got a link? What'd he plead to? 10 years ain't much. Must have been a hell of a deal.

Ret10Echo 01-24-2021 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimP (Post 666450)
Echo, got a link? What'd he plead to? 10 years ain't much. Must have been a hell of a deal.

Daily Beast

Yeah, plea deal - 10 isn't much for taking a man's life with malice.

Probably more butt-hurt that there is a "no book, no movie, no financial gain" from time on the teams

glebo 01-24-2021 11:04

That's a GD tragedy...I was never a fan of plea deals.

I guess I could understand his widows wishes to get it over with (read from previously from somewhere else).

It has been a long time..Still, I don't think it's justice by any means....:mad:

7624U 01-24-2021 14:52

At least they busted him down to E-1 and giving him a Dishonorable also.

PRB 01-24-2021 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by glebo (Post 666457)
That's a GD tragedy...I was never a fan of plea deals.

I guess I could understand his widows wishes to get it over with (read from previously from somewhere else).

It has been a long time..Still, I don't think it's justice by any means....:mad:

No, it is not..... this is what you get when the selection course is simply physical....strong/stupid.

Great combo and has been demonstrated up/down that chain of command.... Operation Red Wings for example.....

1stindoor 01-25-2021 06:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo (Post 666451)
...
Probably more butt-hurt that there is a "no book, no movie, no financial gain" from time on the teams

My son said, "At least the judge knew where to hurt 'em."

Box 01-25-2021 18:31

It would be interesting to see if the family could go after that shit sack in civil court.

LongWire 01-26-2021 09:30

10 yrs is better than 1.... and at least he won’t get a pardon!


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