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JJ_BPK 10-22-2017 08:57

DNA Test from 23andMe ??
 
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Curiosity finally got me, I gave in and took the DNA test from 23andMe..

Results are about what I expected.. High North Western Europe percentage. Irish, Scotch, Swed..

Did miss on one, was always told my Mom's dad, Prosper Mazziott, was 100% Italian,, but only had a 2.1% hit?? :confused:

The Neanderthal markers were what I expected,, BUT you probably already know that?? .. :D

Has anyone, that took the test, tried to contact the suggested relatives?? They think I have several 1st cousins,, never heard of them..


:munchin

cbtengr 10-22-2017 09:05

I have been in contact with a distant cousin just 50 miles from where I live. The funny thing it is his wife whom I am not a blood relative of who is the genealogist not him. She was able to fill in the blanks back to 1755 in Scotland. I had no surprises.

JJ_BPK 10-22-2017 09:25

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Originally Posted by cbtengr (Post 634009)
I have been in contact with a distant cousin just 50 miles from where I live. The funny thing it is his wife whom I am not a blood relative of who is the genealogist not him. She was able to fill in the blanks back to 1755 in Scotland. I had no surprises.

I might have to try a contact,, or several???

With all the Irish in my family, we weren't very productive of late. On my father's side, my G-pa had 6 brothers and sisters, 4 never had kids. Myself and one other cuz are all that survive, I am the only Johnson left.. On my Mom's side only three survive. Given that most were in their late 70t's to mid 80t's when they passed,, we have a Strange family..

:mad:

Team Sergeant 10-22-2017 09:56

I took the test too, came back pure Neanderthal.
;)

rsdengler 10-22-2017 10:57

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 634018)
I took the test too, came back pure Neanderthal.
;)

LOL....So does that mean you walk around with a club in your hand, wearing animal skin skimpy bottoms, and have a large cranial capacity? Man, that's way too Sexy.....Ha......:p

FILO 10-22-2017 13:40

The wife gave me the test as a gift. I'm 99.99 Northern European of which nearly .50% is English and Irish. The rest is a mix of German-French-Scandanavian with .01 Sardinian. I'm guessing the long lost Sardinian was part of the legion that came across the channel with Ceasar. I think the test is cool and actually confirmed much of what I knew about my background. I haven't tried reaching out to extended family. Yes, I'm Neanderthal as well and can smell asparagus.:)

PRB 10-22-2017 14:10

Had a good friend do this someplace...and he did the a high end expensive very exacting deal.....and they indicated possible relatives.

Turns our Granny had some extra curricular activities because some of the 'relatives' are known to them as one of her neighbors back in the day....

You never know what you'll run into....

mojaveman 10-23-2017 03:49

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I took the test too, came back pure Neanderthal.
That's what I was thinking, it would explain some of my behavior when I was younger. :D

Pete 10-28-2017 05:25

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My daughter did it old school when she was in college and most lines faded away in the 1800's but she was able to trace my great grandparents on my mothers side back to their home town in Norway - we knew where they came from.

From that she was able to track - after getting used to how they named kids - back to the mid 1300's.

Couple of years ago she did 23andme without the DNA test and pushed that line back to 1152. Got one Swedish lady married into the family a few years after that.

She broke out her iPhone at supper last night and it was a hoot looking through the links. It confirmed what she had did the hard way but there were some surprises.

I knew my dad's mom was the German in the tree but her tree was also full of Norwegians.

My daughter and SIL did the DNA test a bit ago and are waiting on the results.

She was contacted by a descendant of my great grandfather's brother in Norway who sent her a bunch of family lore from the area.

Me and the wife are going to get it done.

JJ_BPK 03-23-2018 13:33

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Received a note from 23andme, seems they do recalc's and updates every so often.

They found a couple more "relatives", but the best match is only 4-5 %, suggesting 2-3rd cuz. Thinking I may try to contact the top 3 or 4 for shits-n-giggles.

I did get more info on my Irish lineage. I am a direct descendant of King Niall Noígíallach, aka: Niall of the Nine Hostages, Northern Ireland around 400AD. :lifter

When he conquered the realm, he personally took it upon himself to impregnate as many maidens as available. They estimated 2-3 MILLION male descendants are walking about. :D

I also noticed I am some small part Native American and Asian. :eek: I have no idea where that comes from?? I just hope I'm not related to Pocahontas Warren :mad:

JimP 03-23-2018 14:23

JJ same here. I believed I was kind of a mutt as I didn't know jack about my dad's side of the family. Turns out I am almost all Irish with a very tiny location of England and a freakish amount of Neanderthal. Explains a LOT of things....

JJ_BPK 03-23-2018 14:30

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Originally Posted by JimP (Post 641637)
JJ same here. I believed I was kind of a mutt as I didn't know jack about my dad's side of the family. Turns out I am almost all Irish with a very tiny location of England and a freakish amount of Neanderthal. Explains a LOT of things....

This it does,
Cuz :D

PRB 03-23-2018 21:22

Interesting stuff....watch out for paternity suits...they spread your DNA around to 'relatives'... :)

Trapper John 03-24-2018 09:19

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 634018)
I took the test too, came back pure Neanderthal.
;)

Long lost cousins we are?? Mine came back pure Hillbilly. Just an evolutionary branch of Neanderthal. :D

Pete 03-24-2018 09:57

Did it
 
Came back 63% Scandinavian and 36% NW European.

Less than 1% of other stuff.

Our family tree is heavy Scandinavian but some German on my father's mother's side of the tree.

Paslode 03-24-2018 12:15

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 641635)
I did get more info on my Irish lineage. I am a direct descendant of King Niall Noígíallach, aka: Niall of the Nine Hostages, Northern Ireland around 400AD. :lifter

Guess that makes us cousins of sorts JJ ;)

If anyone wants to get more bang for the buck you can upload your RAW file to GEDmatch which will allow you to match with others who used different services, and if you would like to see how your DNA relates to your health you can upload to promethease.com.

Gypsy 03-25-2018 11:28

We did the DNA

Southern European 45.8%
Italian 24.4%
Balkan 2.6%
Broadly Southern European 18.9%

Northwestern European 43.4%
British & Irish 13.2%
French & German 7.7%
Scandinavian 0.7%
Broadly Northwestern European 21.9

Eastern Europe 2.1%

A little bit of less that 1% of some other DNA too. (Sub Sarahan African, South Asian and Ashkenazi Jewish)

JJ_BPK 03-25-2018 11:35

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Originally Posted by Gypsy (Post 641701)
We did the DNA

Southern European 45.8%
Italian 24.4%
Balkan 2.6%
Broadly Southern European 18.9%

Northwestern European 43.4%
British & Irish 13.2%
French & German 7.7%
Scandinavian 0.7%
Broadly Northwestern European 21.9

Eastern Europe 2.1%

A little bit of less than 1% of some other DNA too. (Sub Sarahan African, South Asian and Ashkenazi Jewish)

I didn't get that hit, but of the top 10 "near relatives", 3 did. Not sure how that works, but given that some DNA lineage can go back 1000+ yrs....

Gypsy 03-25-2018 12:00

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 641702)
I didn't get that hit, but of the top 10 "near relatives", 3 did. Not sure how that works, but given that some DNA lineage can go back 1000+ yrs....

I have no knowledge of any Jewish relatives, like you said these tests can go back many many moons! One of my brothers is the genealogist in the family, but he's been busy of late. I'd love to see how far back we can trace.

Noah Werka 03-25-2018 13:25

For what it is worth.
Call me Paranoid...we all know how and what Google does-collect and hoard data. Well, duh..." Consider the case of Google...(One of the founders of 23andMe, Anne Wojcicki, is presently married to Sergei Brin, the founder of Google.)...as we now know, the fundamental purpose of the company wasn’t to help us search, but to hoard information."

No reason to think 23andme is any different. I'll pass.

Old but still valid

Noah W

bblhead672 03-25-2018 15:01

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Originally Posted by Noah Werka (Post 641708)
For what it is worth.
Call me Paranoid...we all know how and what Google does-collect and hoard data. Well, duh..." Consider the case of Google...(One of the founders of 23andMe, Anne Wojcicki, is presently married to Sergei Brin, the founder of Google.)...as we now know, the fundamental purpose of the company wasn’t to help us search, but to hoard information."

No reason to think 23andme is any different. I'll pass.

Old but still valid

Noah W

Call me paranoid too. I'm not willingly submitting a DNA sample to be stored in a NSA fusion center database...oops, I mean Google's database...oops I mean 23&Me's database. Now that I've read the Scientific American article I'm sure I never will.

JimP 03-26-2018 05:41

That was my line of thought as well - hence why I don't use social media. BUT...being in the military for 36 years, if you think you're data isn't all over the world in various repositories, you're mistaken. At this point, I figure the dems and their liberal ilk will be fighting over which re-education camp to put me in when they gain total power. So....screw it.

But then again, their propensity to be nancy-boys (hand-wringing, bed-wetting poodle-walkers) with no sperm production and the undeniable urge for hair products means they are going to need a few of us around for perpetuation of the species. So, in my best "Carl the groundskeeper voice": "I've got that going for me."

JJ_BPK 03-26-2018 06:18

A little throw-back,, Uncle started collecting DNA from the troops in 1992....



Quote:

Genetic Record to Be Kept on Members of Military

The Defense Department said today that it would establish a repository of genetic information on all American service members as a new way of identifying future casualties of war.

Samples of DNA, the basic material of heredity, will be obtained from blood and oral swabs. The samples will be added to existing fingerprint, dental and other records to produce a more comprehensive way of identifying the remains of war dead, said the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which proposed the initiative.

"The establishment of this repository may very well mean that we will no longer have an 'unknown soldier' from future battle casualties," said Maj. Victor Weedn of the Army, chief of the institute's Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory.
Quote:

Federal Mandates for Healthcare: Digital Record-Keeping Requirements for Public and Private Healthcare Providers

As a part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, all public and private healthcare providers and other eligible professionals (EP) were required to adopt and demonstrate “meaningful use” of electronic medical records (EMR) by January 1, 2014 in order to maintain their existing Medicaid and Medicare reimbursement levels. Since that date, the use of electronic medical and health records has spread worldwide and shown its many benefits to health organizations everywhere.

https://www.usfhealthonline.com/reso...cords-mandate/

It's to late to worry about IF they get your DNA..

Streck-Fu 03-27-2018 05:01

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 641729)
A little throw-back,, Uncle started collecting DNA from the troops in 1992....

I remember having to go into medical as a unit for them to do the DNA draw.

Pete 03-27-2018 06:33

And IIRC the held military data has been used more than once in criminal cases.

Yeah, they got mine way back when also.

Paslode 03-27-2018 06:47

DNA testing is done on every newborn in the US, and this has been going on for sometime.

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/w...ks-261136.html

Sooner than later DNA testing will be a regular part of medical testing for 'everyone' because it will offer physicians and insurance companies a preview into your future health.

Paslode 03-27-2018 06:56

DNA testing is done on every newborn in the US, and this has been going on for sometime.

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/w...ks-261136.html

Sooner than later DNA testing will be a regular part of medical testing for 'everyone' because it will offer physicians and insurance companies a preview into your future health.

PedOncoDoc 03-27-2018 07:14

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 641750)
DNA testing is done on every newborn in the US, and this has been going on for sometime.

If you're referring to newborn screening then yes, genetic testing is being done on all hospital-born newborns. This is testing for specific genetic diseases for which treatment needs to begin in the newborn period (e.g. enzyme deficiencies, immune defects, etc.) To my knowledge, there are no state-sponsored whole genome sequencing programs for newborns.

Paslode 03-27-2018 18:32

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Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc (Post 641753)
If you're referring to newborn screening then yes, genetic testing is being done on all hospital-born newborns. This is testing for specific genetic diseases for which treatment needs to begin in the newborn period (e.g. enzyme deficiencies, immune defects, etc.) To my knowledge, there are no state-sponsored whole genome sequencing programs for newborns.

The key phrase is 'to my knowledge'.

When you consider that we are spied on by our government 24/7/365 in all kinds of seemingly innocuous manners, it would be no surprise to find the Fed's have a massive DNA database they have obtained through visits to the doctors office.

CSM-H 03-28-2018 05:39

Ancestory DNA test
 
I took the test as a joke to prove I could get an Obama phone ( came back 1%)... Anyway, stated I had two 1st cousins. Contacted one of them, we chatted, they sent me names of "family"..... Then I told them truth be told I was adopted and didn't truly find out until I was 38 years old..... "very interesting"....

A week later, (I did give the lady my birth name, date and mothers name) received an e-mail with names of relatives in Louisville, Ky....

Because of the test I met my 99 year old maternal grandmother, three Aunts, two Uncles, two half sisters and a half brother...... my Grandmother dies at 101 and 2 months.... she was a pistol.

As far as what you've been told all your life, take the test, you might be surprised what you find out..... For me it was and is worth it... Good Luck, CSM-H

cbtengr 03-28-2018 10:57

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Originally Posted by CSM-H (Post 641783)
I took the test as a joke to prove I could get an Obama phone ( came back 1%)... Anyway, stated I had two 1st cousins. Contacted one of them, we chatted, they sent me names of "family"..... Then I told them truth be told I was adopted and didn't truly find out until I was 38 years old..... "very interesting"....

A week later, (I did give the lady my birth name, date and mothers name) received an e-mail with names of relatives in Louisville, Ky....

Because of the test I met my 99 year old maternal grandmother, three Aunts, two Uncles, two half sisters and a half brother...... my Grandmother dies at 101 and 2 months.... she was a pistol.

As far as what you've been told all your life, take the test, you might be surprised what you find out..... For me it was and is worth it... Good Luck, CSM-H

A great story CSM !

Last hard class 04-26-2018 17:50

And look how they caught The Golden State Killer.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...426-story.html


The public will eventually lose more individual rights because of this technology and the databases built from it.


LHC

cbtengr 04-26-2018 19:07

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Originally Posted by Last hard class (Post 642806)
And look how they caught The Golden State Killer.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...426-story.html


The public will eventually lose more individual rights because of this technology and the databases built from it.


LHC

For the time being I am not going to feel to bad as to just how this POS was caught. When the powers to be take that info and start rounding people up because let's say they have blue eyes then I may get concerned.

PSM 04-26-2018 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Last hard class (Post 642806)
And look how they caught The Golden State Killer.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...426-story.html


The public will eventually lose more individual rights because of this technology and the databases built from it.


LHC

Well, the case was probably so cold as to be in a deep freezer. Actor Patton Oswalt's (Justified) late wife, Michelle McNamara, chased the case and wrote a novel, I'll be Gone in the Dark, that re-opened the case. They probably just used current tech to cover the fact that they had dropped the case.

Still . . .

Box 04-26-2018 20:34

I was born in Baltimore....................

Team Sergeant 04-26-2018 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Last hard class (Post 642806)
And look how they caught The Golden State Killer.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...426-story.html


The public will eventually lose more individual rights because of this technology and the databases built from it.


LHC



Blade Runner.......... 2018 That's a smart thinking cop.

WarriorDiplomat 05-22-2018 18:47

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 634008)
Curiosity finally got me, I gave in and took the DNA test from 23andMe..

Results are about what I expected.. High North Western Europe percentage. Irish, Scotch, Swed..

Did miss on one, was always told my Mom's dad, Prosper Mazziott, was 100% Italian,, but only had a 2.1% hit?? :confused:

The Neanderthal markers were what I expected,, BUT you probably already know that?? .. :D

Has anyone, that took the test, tried to contact the suggested relatives?? They think I have several 1st cousins,, never heard of them..


:munchin

So doing some research into my own family tree led me to look for an answer that my father in law answered a retired professor but before that a molecular geneticist Phd in a cancer research institute....my mother is Swedish but my dads 1/4 native American which does not show up in DNA test for myself or himself so I had to ask to confirm my own research.....it was explained in laymans terms for me their are 2 main DNA types tested by these companies the Y-DNA, and the MtDNA as laid out in a link analysis it looks like this a man hands down the Y-DNA directly from father to son only that will only pass down to his son and so forth not from his daughter to her sons the daughter will only pass own the fathers Y within the G-nome but the Y will come from that childs father the MtDNA will only pass down from the mother to the daughter and to that daughters daughter and so forth. My daughters will and do have many Swedish characteristics and physical traits but none carry her Mt so Swedish or Native would never show up in their tests.

My Fathers mothers, father his grandfather the only one he knew was a full blooded Indian off a reservation but since it was his mother father their is no Y or Mt passed on from him and will never show in a Y or a Mt test the only way to prove this is the G-nome of an individual would need to be decoded to find out the truetraits that make us...us. My Gmother looked like a blue eyed Indian and my father though blonde as a kid started to take on some of his grandfathers physical characteristics of being Indian....but no matter how true it is their is no way to prove through DNA he shares the same DNA without the Gnome his own native heritage will be unknown.....going off the Y my surname is deeply rooted in the Viking gene.

What these tests boils down to is a bigger mystery given the Y goes from your father to his to his and so on and your Mt goes from your mother to her mother and so on but what is not seen in these tests without the Gnome being tore apart are the generations that are not in your direct Y or Mt lines which is most of our DNA which doubles every generation back the parents the 4 grandparents the 8 great grandparents then 16-32-64-128-256-512-1024 and so on....10 generations back you will have 1024 direct descendants of just those 10 generations only 10 men in the fathers direct line will share the Y and 10 women in a females direct line will share the Mt in the 10th generation to the direct female that leaves in every generation unaccounted for majority DNA so if we add up all the direct descendants minus the Y and Mt we end up with 20 out of 2032 and 2012 descendants heredity unknown by those tests.

Autosomal DNA is the new stuff and that is what the data bases are going to to do what they claim to do and that is to connect subscribers to relatives in a broader sense as in anyone who shares DNA....the father and the mother pass down DNA to a child in which the new DNA of the child will go through a recombination which allows us the differences between siblings as each will have its own recombination-ed DNA to allow for uniqueness as in traits physical, personality and responses to external stimuli etc....(The first steps of genetic drift and evolution sort-of how it starts out) essentially it is a more complete picture of your heredity as it will link you outwards to distant cousins in the same family tree but not just in the linear all the way back MtDNA for example will stay unchanged for up to 200 generations the Mt or Y. In my case the Autosomal tests would reveal the ancestors missing in the Mt and the Y (the majority) at least back a few generations but again it would take a reverse engineering of the G-nome to unlock the complete data.

copied
50% (parents and siblings)
25% (grandparents, aunts/uncles, half-siblings, double first-cousins)
12.5% (first cousins)
6.25% (first cousins, once removed)
3.125 (second cousins, first cousins twice removed)
0.781% (third cousins)
0.195% (fourth cousins)

Depending on the complexity of your DNA if your family tree goes in a straight lie that would leave your DNA relatively untouched and the recombination effect very little impact in comparison and therefore the tests would go farther back in generations....however the heinz 57 all american will not be able to go back very far due to the recombination no longer carry certain DNA from ancestors. I think something to remember in these things is how new the science is and how many humans have existed prior.

Paslode 05-23-2018 06:29

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Originally Posted by WarriorDiplomat (Post 643413)
So doing some research into my own family tree led me to look for an answer that my father in law answered a retired professor but before that a molecular geneticist Phd in a cancer research institute....my mother is Swedish but my dads 1/4 native American which does not show up in DNA test for myself or himself so I had to ask to confirm my own research.....it was explained in laymans terms for me their are 2 main DNA types tested by these companies the Y-DNA, and the MtDNA as laid out in a link analysis it looks like this a man hands down the Y-DNA directly from father to son only that will only pass down to his son and so forth not from his daughter to her sons the daughter will only pass own the fathers Y within the G-nome but the Y will come from that childs father the MtDNA will only pass down from the mother to the daughter and to that daughters daughter and so forth. My daughters will and do have many Swedish characteristics and physical traits but none carry her Mt so Swedish or Native would never show up in their tests.

My Fathers mothers, father his grandfather the only one he knew was a full blooded Indian off a reservation but since it was his mother father their is no Y or Mt passed on from him and will never show in a Y or a Mt test the only way to prove this is the G-nome of an individual would need to be decoded to find out the truetraits that make us...us. My Gmother looked like a blue eyed Indian and my father though blonde as a kid started to take on some of his grandfathers physical characteristics of being Indian....but no matter how true it is their is no way to prove through DNA he shares the same DNA without the Gnome his own native heritage will be unknown.....going off the Y my surname is deeply rooted in the Viking gene.

What these tests boils down to is a bigger mystery given the Y goes from your father to his to his and so on and your Mt goes from your mother to her mother and so on but what is not seen in these tests without the Gnome being tore apart are the generations that are not in your direct Y or Mt lines which is most of our DNA which doubles every generation back the parents the 4 grandparents the 8 great grandparents then 16-32-64-128-256-512-1024 and so on....10 generations back you will have 1024 direct descendants of just those 10 generations only 10 men in the fathers direct line will share the Y and 10 women in a females direct line will share the Mt in the 10th generation to the direct female that leaves in every generation unaccounted for majority DNA so if we add up all the direct descendants minus the Y and Mt we end up with 20 out of 2032 and 2012 descendants heredity unknown by those tests.

Autosomal DNA is the new stuff and that is what the data bases are going to to do what they claim to do and that is to connect subscribers to relatives in a broader sense as in anyone who shares DNA....the father and the mother pass down DNA to a child in which the new DNA of the child will go through a recombination which allows us the differences between siblings as each will have its own recombination-ed DNA to allow for uniqueness as in traits physical, personality and responses to external stimuli etc....(The first steps of genetic drift and evolution sort-of how it starts out) essentially it is a more complete picture of your heredity as it will link you outwards to distant cousins in the same family tree but not just in the linear all the way back MtDNA for example will stay unchanged for up to 200 generations the Mt or Y. In my case the Autosomal tests would reveal the ancestors missing in the Mt and the Y (the majority) at least back a few generations but again it would take a reverse engineering of the G-nome to unlock the complete data.

copied
50% (parents and siblings)
25% (grandparents, aunts/uncles, half-siblings, double first-cousins)
12.5% (first cousins)
6.25% (first cousins, once removed)
3.125 (second cousins, first cousins twice removed)
0.781% (third cousins)
0.195% (fourth cousins)

Depending on the complexity of your DNA if your family tree goes in a straight lie that would leave your DNA relatively untouched and the recombination effect very little impact in comparison and therefore the tests would go farther back in generations....however the heinz 57 all american will not be able to go back very far due to the recombination no longer carry certain DNA from ancestors. I think something to remember in these things is how new the science is and how many humans have existed prior.

I wonder if a Big-Y test on FtDNA might give you better answers on the Native American?


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