Las Vegas strip shooting
 

Las Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay casino

http://abcnews.go.com/US/vegas-strip...ry?id=50223240

"More than 20 people were killed and 100 injured in a horrific shooting near the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas Sunday night, police said.

The "nonstop gunfire," according to one witness, sent bystanders outside the resort on the Vegas strip ducking for cover and fleeing for their lives. Tourists hid in their hotel rooms and flights headed into the McCarran International Airport airport were held elsewhere. ...."

Well that sucks.

Was shooting from the 32nd floor.

Sounds full auto on TV. WTH.

According to the sheriff the total is now at least 50 dead and 200 wounded. It's stomach turning.....

Latest from Reuters as of 0700 EDT. POI has been found and is being questioned.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN1C70FU

Perp firing from the 32nd floor down onto the parking lot venue. ~ 40K persons in attendance at the concert. SWAT blew the door to his room to end it. Apparently the smoke detector went off in the perps room and that's how SWAT found the guys location. Perp had set up two firing platforms in his room and had baracaded himself in the room.

50 + killed and 200 + injured but the count will surely rise.

Wow, ladies and gentlemen...prepare to defend yourselves...

A world gone bonkers...

Just absolutely senseless. Prayers out to the victims and their families.

I wonder if this means hotels will start full security checks now. They may do that already, but in my little area of the world we don't.

Tragic and pointless.

Thoughts and prayers out to the victims.

I can't wait to hear the motive and any military affiliation. RIP for the people whose lives will change forever because of this nutcase. May he rot in ****.

Sickening. Prayers for victims' families and for the wounded.

Another round of wild eyed gun grabbers exploiting the tragedy to its fullest will ensue.

Definitely Full auto. Multiple reloads. >30rds at a time from what I heard from the you tube clips. Must have had multiple drums.

per Foxnews

50 killed 406 in hospital (shot?, trampled?)

perp dead. killed himself.

I get the AWMS, there's a lot of messed up sh!t going on around the world but, I don't get the venue? Why a country music festival?

Anyone else think this guy had a fascination with Charles Whitman?

As to the gun it's hard to tell by the way it rolled on. Automatic select/fire or belt-fed, or runaway (broken/modified sear) semi-auto? An AR built since the late 80s I believe to be impossible to do that with. There are rifles accepting 30rd mags that lend themselves to modifications but they will all run until supply is interrupted.





AWMS - Angry White Man Syndrome

stephen paddock just another Spineless Coward
 

No, just another spineless coward shooting innocent people.

Prayers out to those people affected by this tragedy.

My thoughts and prayers are with the victims as well as the members of the Las Vegas PD.

Moving into the kill zone armed with handguns because people were in danger; well done gentlemen.

My hat is off to those that endangered themselves in an attempt to make order out of chaos.

THOSE people make me proud to be an American.

Yep. :mad:

Prayers out for all of the fallen and wounded.

It won't matter. The political blood dance has already begun.

Well said!

My thoughts and prayers to all the innocent victims in this senseless tragedy. The shooter was indeed a coward, and so many people died because of his unthinkable actions. What a sad day in our country.

Agree with Box on his comments about the Las Vegas PD, always in the forefront, always there to protect those in need, and always there to face danger head on.

Condolences for the victims and families.


I wonder how effective is the SWAT sharpshooter in such scenario.
304 m to the hotel and about 108 m high for the 32nd floor. For 304.8 m of flight path the police .308 and .223 should be adequate. 19 to 20 degrees is not really high angle. I suppose the nighttime condition (swat has NOD or thermal?) and risk of over penetration made the option non viable. Wished it was otherwise though. Even without connecting, impacts in the room would have at least delay/distract/scare the perp or hasten the self inflicted shot and lower the body count :(




Truly brave and selfless. Salute!

The American people are well served by those who run toward the sound of gunfire.

Leftists have no soul:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...publicans.html

With the attacks on the Scouts (Boy, Girl, and Other) I think that we have dropped the ball on First Aid. Eyewitness accounts say that people were comforting people who were bleeding out instead of trying to treat them. :(

Pat

Agreed, but I guess even that is better than standing there filming it all on their phones....

Has been fired.

Probably starts working for CNN tomorrow.

That, or as faculty at Harvard....

But, but, the First Amendment...

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Pat, are you an EMT, Paramedic or medic? Ever been in a mass casualty situation? Or shot at? Ever seen the dead or dying on a battlefield?

My point, I’m sure the folks there did the best they could, the best they knew how, given the situation. Very few folks on this planet are trained for that sort of situation. Boy and girl scout training is nothing compared to real training. (And yes, I was a national registered EMT.)
And I'm sure many of the folks there were in shock seeing so many dead and wounded.
Again, I'm sure they did the best they could.

TS, I think Pat does make a good point though. I didn't think he was disparaging the people doing the best that they could. But, sometimes doing the best that you could is just not good enough.

Taking his point one step further, it would probably be a good idea to include the basic first aid measures as part of the general education process. CPR is taught in YMCAs and some public school programs. Why not teach "stop the bleeding"?

YMMV

Gaining traction...

https://www.dhs.gov/stopthebleed

I always heard to "control bleeding and treat for shock" and then transport ASAP.

How do you do that? Any damned way you can with whatever you have.

https://www.health.ny.gov/profession...psbleeding.pdf

"Mental" Shock...
 

Most of the people there were experiencing for the first time, a traumatic event that they have never experienced before.

You can teach CPR, BAC or whatever acronym they use nowadays, however, performing those basic tasks under fire, in a fleeing crowd of 20k people just ain't going to happen under those circumstances.

I concur with guy. TCCC is not going to be trained on a mass scale and you’re not going to be carrying CATs to a country music concert. Traditional city medical procedures don’t work well in combat style environments. Triage, wound treatment, transportation. A single hospital would be overwhelmed. This is not a daily event here.

This is a tragic event and is going to get analyzed 6 ways to Sunday. Let’s mourn the dead first and analyze in a few days.

Welsh Soldiers aided the wounded
 

Something positive from the vegas shooting. I Imagine some of them have been in combat. They were on break from training in Nevada. Link below.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-41476327

WH

Concur. IIRC from the early 2000 lesson-learned JSOMTC slides, the best medicine under fire is superior fire power. When the adversary has superior position and firepower, I suppose haul ass is a reasonable option. The slides show cases from Vietnam and Iraq where the helper (two to three) ends up becoming casualties too. Many of you have seen the slides I'm sure.

I recently did a pre-deployment TCCC/MARCH and I wouldn't want any of the new trainee doing TQ under fire

Having said that, in the context of safe area i.e. after the perp self administered lethal dose of lead, I agree with Pat. It's moving to see people holding and comforting the hands of the wounded/dying, but helping them would be preferable.

That would describe me. I have been fortunate never to have been in this sort of situation - not even as a witness to a bad car crash. I don't know how I would react. I might be running like Dan
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Bilzerian.html


One of my employees and her police-officer husband were at the event in LV. They left the concert a few minutes before the shooting.

Looks like the Vegas shooter did the conversion to full auto, using a cheap conversion kit called, BUMP STOCK AUTO.

You can view on you tube , for AR-15 and AK-47 series weapon.
Sold by MilitaryGunsupply.com

A bump stock is not a conversion to full auto..
You have no idea what a bump stock is,,
Refrain from UN-educated comments.

Bump firing is a technique where by the shooter uses a very lose grip on the trigger hand. As the weapon recoils it jumps around on the lose grip, thus jiggling or bumping the trigger finger.

With practice one can get consistent results, BUT because of the induced sloppy vibrations, very very inaccurate fire.

The commercially available (which I believe ATF OK'd) Bump Stocks have build-in springs that piston the stock during recoil. The added sloppiness can help, but in no way does it alter or replace any parts in the trigger, sear, hammer mechanics.

PS: I do not see your introduction, it may be one of the lost. Please re-introduce yourself.

Las Vegas Shooting Incident:
 

Prayers out to those people killed and or wounded at the concert.