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Israel Attacks Iranian Ammo Dump in Syria
Wonder if any Russian arms were present...maybe a few hands, feet, toes, and fingers as well...
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"Cleanup on aisle 5!"
Wonder if any of that was supply-line to the Syrian a/c doing a sleep-over at a Russian base. |
Very good! I like it!
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I'll never understand why we bend over backwards and automatically support Israel's every move...
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sadly the Syrian conflict serves Israel's interest as it stretches Hezbollah and Iran military campaign thin.
I'd say it's a golden opportunity to wipe out Hezbollah while ISIS is taking bits of it. With so much bad blood between Hezbollah and US IC, no tears will be shed either |
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Those links are just a few off the top of my head. When you compare them to the foreign political aid Israel has provided the United States, would you still consider them our "Greatest Ally" as our political chicken hawks try and present them as. After we give them billions for whatever reason... Let's not forget we may very well enter another Middle Eastern conflict for the sake of Israel interests and NOT U.S. |
Thanks for the clarification. I certainly understand your point of view from that perspective. I have always considered Israel an ally based on their willingness to assist us and their lack of fighting against us militarily. As to their spying on us...I certainly don't blame them as I think "any" independent nation will spy on others whether they are friend or foe. We spy on everyone...so I don't get worked up when we are spied on...it's the nature of the beast. We do give them a lot of money, but I can think of a lot worse nations that we do so. When it comes to the ME...Israel is the least of my worries. Again, thanks for the clarification.
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I just see some things differently. |
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I follow Iran and their proxies in various realms. They have, and still are calling on the death of America. Your tolerance of Israel's, and USA's, sworn enemy (yes Iran has stated as much several times) is suspect. I don't recall Israel holding 52 American diplomats and citizens hostage for 444 days. If you think that allies don't "spy" on each other you are foolish. |
Israel is 71 miles wide at it's widest point and 15 miles wide at it's narrowest.
How much of an intel mistake can they absorb? If I'd been in charge the last 8 years in Israel I'd have spied my ass off targeting the US and the Obama admin.....it was hostile in many respects. Oh, btw, we spy on Israel too....what do you think the Liberty was doing in those waters.....fishing? Israel and the US have the same enemies in the ME. It is the only western oriented State in the ME. It is the only Democracy in the ME and our only real ally. Articles naming US Senators/Congressmen as 'Israeli Agents' are asinine. |
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Find a single other Western country whose leader would not be crucified for stating that and this stance is not criticised by one of the myriad front organizations. Sorry I mean social and cultural organisations" that proliferate in the West. Nor by the dual citizens in the US govt that added their voice to the cacophony of criticism towards DTs "Make America Great Again" And look what happened to the USS Liberty. Apparently the Israeli jets made a few strafing passes on the lifeboats just for good measure and afterwards a memorial erected to the dead sailors was deemed "Anti-Semitic"? That was long before the O admin right? Some ally. Israel is also stoking the pot in the ME with sources saying that they are giving wounded ISIS terrorists medical attention. There are powerful groups there (and in the WH now it appears) that believe that breaking up Syria would aid the achievement of EretzYisrael. http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-...r-israeli-aid/ I've not seen Israel volunteering her soldiers to fight for America the way Americans are so ready to rush to aid Israel. Its easy for Bibi to say that you are friends and allies when it is such a heavily one way bias. Some dual citizens in office do indeed seem to have a destructive stance against America. Especially considering the fact that they have a 180 degree stance on the same issues when it comes to Israel. Sorry, nothing against Jews or Israel except the total and utter hypocrisy special rules for them and everyone else gets the standard. Notice that DT wished to extract America from the morass in the ME. I wonder who engineered that turnaround? |
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And please understand and let me reiterate I will always stand with our country no matter what. |
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Where do you get your info...Der Sturmer Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote. The deciding factor is if you are a citizen....Muslim citizens vote. The Catholic Church in Israel and the Palestinian Territories is part of the worldwide Catholic Church, in full communion with the bishop of Rome. It is in Saudi Arabia that one is charged with a crime for having a Bible, not Israel. Israel is bordered by enemies and potential enemies, they have neither the resources or manpower to out source soldiers in other military conflicts. You are incorrect. |
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Misinformation/disinformation abounds. ;) |
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So anyone who questions or is critical must be a "Nazi" right? Did you ever read der Sturmer to arrive at that question? Marxist Critical Theory abounds in the most unlikely places. Its a doctrine straight fro m Trotsky/ Lenin's playbook which has rooted itself it the western psyche. The American idea of democracy I must admit I find rather quaint. For a people to move into an area by force. Secure there area through acts of unbridled terrorism and then to offer the locals living their "citizenship" on the grounds that they accept the sovereignty of another occupier along with all the benefits such as having the occupants homes and villages bulldozed to make way for settlements or be relegating into the largest concentration camp ever devised is something I find rather ironic. I didn't say "having a bible" I said handing one to a Jewish person as in evangelizing. Not that I espouse evangelizing but the Israel worshiping evangelists inexplicably can't see the irony. The fact that Israel has not the resources to outsource soldiers in other military conflicts is their official response when asked? Or is it a case of "Israel needs us lets go"? Judging from the utterances and actions of various US presidents, politicians and Congress as well as the ridiculous current US Ambassador to the UN it t really does appear that the US is merely a vessel state of Israel. The point of this is neither to demonstrate that Israel is good nor bad but to illustrate the many ironies and to express amazement that America continues to cow tow to Israel unlike to any other "ally". What Israel wants Israel gets and anybody that dares say otherwise at best becomes PNG. You might say that I am wrong but all I am saying is that the US adoration of Israel is pretty obvious and to ask whether the fact that the pro Israel lobby is very powerful wealthy and numerically over-represented in government would have nothing to do with it? |
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"Vessel state"...you might as well just come out and call us puppets.
We are what we want to be as a Nation and we do what benefits us as a nation. To call us a vessel state appears to me to be an emotional response. Maybe I'm wrong.... |
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Trust me when I say this. I'm no muslim apologist but this kind of thinking and reasoning, is how we were blinded with the rise of Islamism in 1979. It had nothing to do with, "Muslims just hate our freedumz and were evil cause of them." Jihadists rallied and turned on us due to U.S. involvement in Arab affairs. Starting with the 1953 Iranian Coupe, granted it wasn't due to Israeli interests but rather British Petroleum.
And no, I'm not justifying Islamic terror attacks and this shouldn't warrant any suspicion unless we're now in a McCarthy 2.0 era... Read and understand the enemy and come to your own conclusions. I'm just arguing we stop the cluster fuck of engagements we've been involved with for decades. Trump's core support loved his, "America First" stance. Ron & Rand Paul have been stating that for years. Trump's core support would have been with Rand, had Trump never entered. Americans are tired of involvements in the Middle East. Neocons know this, their so desperate to the point where John McCain called Rand Paul a Russian spy.:rolleyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTdqIlfp8XE Is this the new Red Scare? Disagreeing with main stream Middle Eastern policies labels us spies, suspects ect. If you read these primary documents, you'll clearly see U.S. policy in Syria serving Israeli interests. (See my attached primary document on the 8th post) Yes, that unfortunately masks U.S. Syrian goals in a puppet manner IMO. And the kicker because of it, is the U.S. government now seeing AQ as an "ally." (See my attached primary document in this post) The very terror network that actually attacked us on our soil. Quote:
I don't care what Iran's network does to Israel's or other Middle Easterners unless they are deliberately and directly attacking America. Just like Iran has their own terror network serving their own interests so does the U.S.. There are no true allies in the Middle East, it's all just intertwined. The sooner interventionists understand this the sooner we can stop wasting American lives, time, and resources. Never ending proxy battles, but someones benefiting and profiting from it all. Ask yourselves if America truly is? I went out of my way to cite and reference primary documents to back up my stance, not secondary source rhetoric from politicians and media. This is where I'm coming from and why I've changed my stance with Israel and looking at our history. |
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Your historical references are basically yesterday but this 'event' has been going on for 1500 years or so. I get tired of folks who know nothing about Islam telling us why Muslims get upset. BTW, it is nothing you wrote about above....there is a salient point, I suggest you seek it. |
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And just in case some may still be wondering of my loyalty... Yes, I will always fight and stand for U.S. interests, be it Syria, Iran, and wherever. I have before, don't regret anything, and willing to do it again. I'm no leftist, muslim sympathizer, or pussy. Like I mentioned before I just see some things differently and have my own opinions. |
....The Quran by itself is 16% of Islamic Jurisprudence...one must read the Hadith and Sira...plus Sharia (Reliance of the Traveller (sic)) to understand Islam in depth.
The US protected Saudi from invasion and the holiest of Islamic sites with our blood and treasure. The US protected the Muslim Serbs in Europe. This meant nothing to Islamists as we have (the West) denied Islam, we've not accepted it as the true faith.....this is what terrorism is about. It is not our support for Israel in the main, they must be wiped out as any land once Muslim must be regained....as the lands in Europe that were under the black flag, Andulus etc. Muslims kill Muslims in Syria...different faction...Shia/Sunni/ Aliwite etc....killing is nothing new to the ME.....it is about Islam and the prophecy of the Quran. The USA is the Great Satan, not because of our political issues of the last century but because we represent 'The West'....the primary obstacle to Islam. |
Appreciate your prompt response and insight PRB, you gave me some things to think and read about.
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Israel vs Hezbollah: Old Foes Eye a New War
Israel has for the past nearly 80 years been fighting enemies on all sides who have vowed to destroy the Israeli state. Not to negotiate with Israel but to wipe it off the face of the earth. IMHO the resolution of the Palestinian horror will merely change the firing mechanism but will not eliminate the fury with which Israel is hated by it's Arab/Persian neighbors.
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