Defense Secretary to Open All Combat Jobs to Women
 

I know this has been an ongoing discussion here, but now it is official...

LA Times Article

I eagerly await the establishment of quotas when they don't get enough volunteers.

Does this also come with mandatory enrollment for selective service? :munchin

"In place by April 1st"

Intentional or unintentional joke?

Only in this administration can you produce factual evidence that something can not and will not work, and still be superseded.

By the 4th SECDEF none the less.

I love how Panetta is now speaking out about the administration..........

Where were you 3 years ago when you could have actually done something about it, or at least blew the lid off of it.

The fix is in...........we are a dying breed gents.

Panetta doe not have to depend on Barry for a check anymore, which seems to be the major reason O's underlings are afraid to call an ace an ace and a spade a spade. What will O's last frontier be, he has been on a feeding frenzy that seems to have no end in regards to decimating our country.

His masters aren't very good...every time his mouth moves, I see his strings moving.

We all knew that was going to happen.

there is even a cool YouTube video....

LOOK FOR, "Statement from USSOCOM on SECDEF's Women in Service Review"



“Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool.”
–Clinton presidential aide Paul Begala, July 1998

1 April was my date of rank when I was promoted to CPT. Never heard the end of it. This is an even bigger joke.

An even bigger joke it that it's my mother-in-law's birthday. :D

Pat

To save you the trouble of searching for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgfm...ature=youtu.be

^^^^^Cowards. Glad I'm out.

I stopped watching it when he said the standards would not be lowered. :rolleyes:

Ditto, I'm so very happy I'm out.

What an effing joke that was.

I trust their statements about as much as I do the S-1 guys who tells me that he will get my pay fixed.

This is the beginning of the end.

LOL

Bring back the draft and see how fast that idea wilts.

Absolutely cannot believe the cherry picking and pandering that has gone on in this decision process. No one has the balls to stand up to senior leadership because of career progression.

"I am aware that gender integrated teams will be less effective than all males, but I am going to go ahead and do it anyway".

The RAND study results should be published. Every single comment. I would estimate that 95% of the responses would show integration to be a grave threat to the SFOD-A.

Many good soldiers will exit the military because of this decision. Put a woman on my ODA and see what happens. My wife has already said she will not have it, and I will seek other employment. In fact, in light of many other poor decisions and changes to SF, I would be showing myself the door now if I hadn't reenlisted a few years ago. Half my team is getting out.

Chelsea is young enough and old enough to register for selective service and the draft. As well as many feminists who think this is a good idea. It's already been proven in the most recent rounds that mothers of young children are not exempt and can and will deploy with their units.

With the coming war it's time to fill the trough with fresh bodies.

Yep, glad I'm out.

Yes there will be some that leave, but many with experience will stay if close enough to retirement. Enough to keep things going, while waiting for the next leadership change that everyone hopes will be "better".

There will be no sudden and wholesale collapse. Just a change to something different. Different and less effectve and more expensive. And then there more and more people who remember less and less of when it was any different.

I think it's called, "progress".

And then the enemy will be at the gates. And it'll be too late.

So good, now we can get rid of the female PT standard. We are all equal now. That will get rid of about 85% of the current serving females. Oh wait, I forgot, equal but allowed "special" standards, how stupid of me.

My contacts at the 5 sided nut-house tell me that this is just "the beginning." Look for transsexuals next, an attack on all our so-called "time-tested" standards, mandatory anti-cis-gendered sensitivity training, and ending the "White male hetero-advantage of the combat arms and special operations forces.

I thought they were joking- but:

- the transsexual agenda is at the top of the advocates next effort and is being currently reviewed by DoD.
- the standards have been attacked from the get-go. Its no coincidence that at exactly 1100 HRS today the phones started ringing asking for all of our metrics "proving" that our standards are connected to actual mission requirements. I can attest to the fact that our "proof" that 6 pullups is a requirement for combat is WEAK--- (it is intuitive, it is impossible to "prove" junk like this quantitatively like a physics experiment, and- at the end of the day- if you've got a guy who can do 5, but is above-average on everything else, he'll do...).
- the sensitivity nut-jobs are already out in force. Military Review is going to have an issue next year on how terrible the homosexuals are being treated in combat arms and how they aren't being made to feel like they fit in. The solution? Change the culture of combat arms to be anti-hetero-normative... There will be awards for those who can display they exist all over the "gender spectrum" and extra re-education- I mean counseling- for those who display cis-genderedness. I wish I was making this stuff up...
- The old studies and task forces of the past that looked into fixing the lack of minorities in combat arms and Special Ops will come back with a vengeance- but now it will be mostly female and homosexual-focused.

Make no mistake- fundamental change is the goal and they aren't done yet...

This is probably something worthy of drawing a line. My response to all of this would be quite simply - "I will agree and support these initiatives whole-heartedly if it can be shown how any of this social engineering enhances our readiness and capabilities as a war fighting force. Otherwise, step aside!"

Do you think Dunsford would be up to the challenge and lead the charge to push back?

Disgusting, but I imagine the world will keep turning and this will probably sort itself out. I hope the cost for that sorting is not too high...


...On a completely unrelated note, who do I have to PM to get vetted around here?

hmmm, considering some of US enemies right now fear getting riddled by bullets that come from a gun-toting, PMS-ing females and so on....perhaps "they" are just thinking outside the box. Heck, I'll volunteer to lead this feared all-female combat unit :D

Is that a subtle admission that you're transgender? :D

In support of this policy both Carter and Obama should make their security details comply with this policy. The security details must be at least 51% female, 20% black. You have until January to comply! Go!

Wife gave me the same ultimatum.

God forbid that I spend more time throughout the year in close quarters with another female other than her.

Not to mention the overall social cultural change within the team. She wants me with meat eaters and people that will do anything to win and stay alive. Not people that are preoccupied with getting a piece of ass whilst deployed.

With that being said, is there any way that the results can be requested through the Freedom of Information Act? Or was it classified as Secret in order to avoid said request?

I love how in the video, the CSM clearly states that the survey was done.....

So what? He said nothing about results! That should tell you something there.

I have four daughters, I consider myself a modern man. The fairest way this liberal policy should be implemented is economically. Screening/Privilege, then race/economic should receive front line assignments, tip of the spear. Chelsea Clinton pulling point....

The public needs to see the results of the surveys that were done by active team guys. They'd see the impact it would have on the families and understand exactly what it is we do on a daily basis. Whether they would give a damn or not is a different story. But we don't have much else as ammunition to push back.

What we need is 8000 green berets in formations across the country with media presence demanding a restriction be placed, but that's a pipe dream. We can't even get our commander to reflect our deep concerns.

I have an old school Recon Marine that works for me currently. He told me back in the day they tried integrating women into his unit, telling them 3 women would be showing up the next morning. Apparently they dug a small hole the night before. When they showed up for formation and the 3 women were there, the whole unit tossed their jump wings in the hole and left for the day. Next day no more women.

Fundamentally transform America?

Mission Accomplished!

Riddle me this: Will a Republican president have the wherewithal to restore sanity to the military?

trannies serving with honor is the next big move... I expect to start hearing about that within the next 60-90 days

consider this about Army Secretary Erik Fanning...
-He is the highest ranking openly gay member of the Department of Defense.
-He favors the adoption by the U.S. military of a policy prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
-He supports allowing openly transgender persons to serve in the military
-He was a member of the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund for 3 or 4 years before entering government service

...longer than 90 days before you start hearing about trannies would be a huge surprise to me. This is something that needs to be accomplished BEFORE the POTUS leaves office so there is no time to waste.
Plus, if it makes the news during the REAL election cycle it can be used as liberal fodder to help get another SJW into the white house

Yep! Funny, my buds in the five sided funhouse tell me that in the same meetings where the civilian appointees say having trannies won't result in any issues they start badgering the military folks to explain why there aren't more combat arms homosexuals serving out of the closet

The answer : gay culture isn't culturally conducive to small level unit cohesion in US units. Their solution: if butch lesbians don't change that now, then we'll need extra special leadership pressure to change that culture and sensitivity training...

Notice Votel laid the onus mostly on leadership to make all this work. Implied message: if a woman fails in your training or operations unit- you will be fired...

Soon: if gays don't serve openly in your combat arms unit, you will be fired...

Fundamentally change America
 

"Fundamentally change America"

All Zero is going to do is divide America an America for which he cares nothing about, until it explodes.

The movie "The Purge" makes more and more sense......

Obama Schmobama
There are too many Spartans left in my Country for the Persians to win.

Ahh. Votel brought Thetford along with him.


I'll add:
If some others who've read this directive are correct, this affects not just those seeking combat positions, but total enlistee and officer branch assignments.

I take that to mean that female enlistees, ROTC and Academy grads who don't score high enough to pick their branch will get selected whether they want it or not.

I think that, if true, this little fact would have quite interesting consequences.

So when do the 18 Y/o Females sign up for selective Service??

I have no issues with my daughter signing up.

I think everyone should be writing their elective officials asking when this will be happening?

I am still in my first term at group. I have already decided that if there are females in the pipeline by the time I am up for reenlistment, I am out. My fellow new SF soldiers almost universally feel the same way. If I am going to work in a f-ed up mixed gender unit I will just go do it as a contractor and enjoy more control over my life. I started my time in the Army with lots of females around me and it is not an experience I care to repeat.

Awe man embrace the suck!

I figure the 18D program will have to add a week just to cover all the things teams will have to deal with. Vaginitis, chlamydia, UTIs, gonorhea and just plain old itchy pussy syndrome.

Interesting viewpoint from one of first female fighter pilots. Real details at 3:30 and on.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/464583737...#sp=show-clips

Bio posted says she had been around SEAL teams, not sure how, maybe intel background liaison? I honestly thought this was going to be one of those we can do it kinds of fluff pieces, but turns out she is soundly against the idea of integration, particularly in the elite units.

Just not something you see in the regular media very much.