Another islamic terrorist shooting in a Gun-Free Zone
 

The lesson should be clear. Gun-free zones kill people.

Police: Multiple Fatalities In Shooting At Oregon Community College

Unfortunately -- and sadly so -- colleges and universities have become the soft targets of anyone with angst against anything or any body and for any cause.

Sadly, I think it will only get worse.

From the Douglas County local newspaper:

Pat

18:27 et 10/1/2015, my president said "We know that states with the most gun laws, tend to have the fewest gun deaths." It's true. Turn in your guns now. :rolleyes:

http://heyjackass.com/

And here is the proof!! Chicago, old POTUS's chosen home town. ONLY 390+ dead this year. I can't think of any city where concealed carry is legal is close to this. Must be the Liberal Gold Standard for gun control. :munchin

This is interesting:

One of the French train heroes.

Pat

Interesting observations PSM. The fact that they still haven't released the shooters I.D. is leading me to think that damage control is being done and another narrative is building up. I bet if the shooter was white, we would have known about it by now and media outlets would label it an act of terror. I know this sounds a bit tin foil but it seems like when Dylan struck the South Carolina church he was instantly I.D.'d and labeled a terrorist. How come we're not seeing it in this instance?

*edit to add.

So we have the I.D. of the gunman. Disregard my tinfoil observation. The next big question now is what was his motive.

Quote therein amplified by one of those 'tweet' things:

Chris Harper Mercer
 

Just did another Google search and looks like we finally got an I.D. Apparently the shooter didn't even attend the school.

http://www.ibtimes.com/who-chris-har...tified-2123675

We, the US, granted very specific rights to the mentally challenged back in the 1980's...it is almost impossible to get someone committed without their own consent.
We went with individual liberty, strongly, to the point that many that should be institutionalized are out and about.
How do we find the fine line?

I hear you on that one.

It wasn't an hour after it happened that we started hearing about "gun control".

Not about how the shooter was most likely a pussy who had been emasculated to the point where he didn't know how to deal with his problems.

So yeah, figured we would have heard something, but I am sure there is a twist.

There always is when you don't "hear" anything.

Speaking of that...........what happened to Chattanooga? Not a peep about that terror attack since the flag at half mast hubbub.

Sheriff John Hanlin for President and Commander in Chief!

I like this guy's perspective, it mirrors mine.


RIP to the fallen, prayers to the victims.

Rot in hell asshole with no name (compliments of the Sheriff) to bad the media doesn't get it.

Today's talking point? Gun "control" laws are now gun "safety" laws.

This shooting at Umpqua Community College was less than an hour south of here.
The local media coverage has been wall to wall.
I just saw this "not seen or heard in the local media" story,

well done soldier.
http://http://www.thedailybeast.com/...ht-at-him.html

While I am grateful to read of the heroes of the day, I am disappointed that the article opened with:

:rolleyes:

Same with Mohammad Pedro Whittaker, if you are a disciple of Mo the line goes dead.

When the POTUS (and not just this one) fires the SS and anyone with any power of position goes about their lives without armed protection surrounding them 24/7, I'll consider listening to them - just a little - when it comes legislation controlling guns.

Until then they can all fuck off!

NDOT, its not that the media doesn't get it. They do, the argument has been re-framed, by the POTUS.

Its not going to be about "Home grown Terrorist attack"/ "recent mooslim convert", but gun control. Obama is a Muslim. In all the other shooting he has never, ever, present such a strong argument, that compares, and brings into question, global cultural values with regard to gun control.

This issue will be of paramount important in the coming presidential debate. Those who fail to address the above and side with 2nd Amendment rights, will lose. The only way forward is to emphasize the terrorist method of distinction as he methodologically question each victims religious belief system, before shooting, or killing them base on their answer to his question.

RIP to the lost,
and condolences the families and friends..

Keep an eye on this article.

In today's "online" personal media frenzy, it doesn't take long to find a person and their views.

The fact that one of the young men that stopped the ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACH on the France train last month is a student at this college.

Coincidence??

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...ted-yesterday/

Second thought, he came prepared to die as a POS Martyr, not by a self-inflicted gunshot as most others mentally ill shooters have done. That in an of itself, indicates to me his attack was planned as a statement, and substantiates and supports the argument, that he was in fact a home grown terrorist.

Oh come on! A Muslim with the Christian names Barak, Hussain?

The emasculation of America is responsible for these issues.

Whiny, pussified children who are offspring of helicopter parents seem to be the current profile for these savage incidents. The have no way to voice their problems in a healthy manner, and in conjunction with the glorification of violence on TV and the Internet, they find themselves living in "fantasy world", where the lines between what they see digitally versus real life are blurred.

"You are a special flower and you deserve for everyone to like you and you just , fit in with everyone"

False.

After repeated posts/replies to threads such as this, what else is left? RIP to the fallen, and a big fuck you to the perpatrator(s). The fact that this has been a repetitious evolution during a normal 1 week news cycle has driven a lot of us average folk to the point of "glad it wasn't me or mine"

The mind-numbing fact is, me and mine could give a shit less at this point what happens to others. My compassion-o-meter ran out a while ago.

I wish that I retained a bit of my compassion for others over the years, especially my own countrymen/Brothers in arms, but when it comes down to it, no one really cares anymore. Just a blurb in the paper.

I was there for the Navy Yard BS, and yes its unfortunate, but hey...that shit wrapped up in under 2 weeks as far as coverage.

I respect and honor our fallen Hero's at any given opportunity, but these "mass shootings" that do not involve people I know directly, get a "sorry for your loss".

I despise the fact that these sort of events have numbed me, and may God destroy those folks bloodlines that made me feel this way.

Army vet Chris Mintz ran to the sound of gun fire...unarmed. I don't know how many were down at that time, but there is a very good chance that it would have been stopped by him had he been carrying. One girl reported that they were told to lie down and then get up, one by one, to identify their religion before they were shot. That would have given anyone carrying time to engage.

This, as with all other mass shootings, is blood on the hands of the anti-gun people. (Regardless of their gender identification.)

Pat

Yep...when we have kids in preschool, they bite and hit when their toys are taken from them. They can’t walk or talk, but they know to defend themselves and their property. They aren’t taught that, it’s inherent in them. But, when they bite and hit in order to defend themselves, they are punished for what came natural to them.

They get a little older, they are told that if someone hits them and steals their property, tell a teacher or adult. Don’t you dare defend yourself…you are made to be the “bad guy.”

A little older…zero tolerance kicks in. Defend yourself…get arrested and expelled…no questions asked. Kids can’t defend themselves because if they do…there is a price to be paid. The good suffer with the bad and if they haven’t been brought up to understand that that will happen even when it’s wrong…they can easily fall into the “Beta Male” category because they have never had the ability to defend themselves…physically, verbally, etc. without being penalized.

When a man isn’t allowed to be a man…and isn’t strong enough to go against the tide…he becomes anything other than a man.

Males void of personal responsibility...

From a friend of Chris Mintz's, he has been posting pictures of Chris in his Hospital bed. He stated that Chris met the POS Gunman as he was walking into a College building. At the doorway, Chris told the gunman to stop doing what he was doing because it was really stupid. Gunman told Chris Mintz to move out of the way. Chris then said that it was his kids birthday. I'm guess because the POS pointed the gun at Chris Mintz. Gunman said something else and that's when Chris rushed the POS. Chris took 7 bullets, not 5 as reported.

Good on Chris, at lest we know there is one American will to protect others. Just happen to be a Veteran again. Here is his GoFundMe page set up by his cousin, Derek Bourgeois.

https://www.gofundme.com/s75ge9y4

How different it might have been had that college NOT been a gun free zone.:(

The world needs more Sheepdogs and Shepherds, lest we are willing to allow the Wolves to devour the Sheep.

When every 'legally' capable citizen authorized by the U.S. Constitution to exercise their 2A rights over and above the "unconstitutional" laws of the state, federal government and local ordinances, chooses life and liberty over safety and public order, these incidents of murder and violence will be quickly relegated to the back pages of history.

It should be our goal as a civilization that each and everyone of us is responsible for ourselves and each other. To protect oneself and one's family and others from harm is a human right, not a responsibility of the police. 911 is not nor should it be expected to be a replacement for self defense or the protection from evil doers and illegal activities. Each citizen is already granted that right and the right to detain and make arrests. The police and judicial systems are simply there to follow up, investigate, and determine innocence and guilt. They are not our "protectors" but the enforces of laws (Constitutional laws) of our nation and states.

As our forefathers saw before us and established the documents that created us, they knew and had experienced the tyranny and oppression of dictators and kings alike. Lest we forget what they bled and sacrificed so much for. We too must bleed and sacrifice for the mistakes of the past to improve the future.

Mr, President, tear down these signs "Gun Free Zone!"

+1

It's past time that those disposed to do so simply carry anyway.

How long did it take for President Obama to give this same order for Chattanooga shooting?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ooting-victims

You have to give it to the liberals---they can absolutely ignore the issue of this shooter targeting Christians, talk about inanimate objects (guns), and the media jumps on the issue like the carrion that they are.

If you have a few minutes, take a look at the way the National Review reporter handles the debate. It's rather telling that it takes a Brit to handle the argument for Second Amendment issues.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...thing-nr-staff

This would give me so much hope.

That article was very eye opening, and something I intend to live by and spread.
Don't give jackasses what they want, let them die like they lived, spineless nobodies.
RIP the fallen.

JMHO Sir,

He won't, because he knows deep down in his coal-charred-Islamic-heart that Chris Mintz is a US Veteran, and completely OUT of his league!

The O can only dream of having the Courage of REAL War Vets! :mad:

Holly...Prayers Out to Chris.:(

I believe we can all agree backpedaling needs, and has needed for some time, to be done. To solve a compromise between individual liberty and need to protect society I believe a solution is two-fold. Re-empower parents (the carrot) but make them fully culpable for their child (the stick). Even if a child has grown into "adulthood" and moved out, if the parent ignored the signs, and such evidence is available to that fact, they're still responsible (I've never met a parent of any adult whom didn't feel responsible in some part to the actions of their child regardless of the age of either). If people have forgotten how to feel the powerful senses of pride, disappointment, fear, etc. towards their children we will just have to remind them. Nothing will remind Mrs. Welfare Baby Isapaycheck of her personal responsibility and the powerful emotions present in parenting like a 20 year sentence when her "sweet innocent baby boy" is shot dead after trying to kill a police officer and it is determined that she knew her boy was troubled and did nothing.

Going back to the carrot though, if you know your child is troubled, mentally deficient, and potentially dangerous, you should be able to document this in childhood. If the government is incapable, unwilling, or simply unable to prevent your child from a murderous rampage, but you've done everything you can, you really have already suffered more than you deserved. One tool that should be at your disposal though, is to adjudicate your child as mentally deficient just before adulthood.

A child remains a child only so long. When they reach adulthood, they've now arbitrarily been deemed completely mentally competent by a system which has changed the very definition of socially acceptable behaviors, normalization, criminality, etc. [Obviously we have a language barrier in this country, some of us speak the same language our founding fathers used to forge the very framework of our nation upon; whilst the other side have found that words only mean what they say they mean at which time that definition is deemed convenient... but I digress]

We need to re-establish a criteria by which a person whom has been identified either through [later in life] repeated incidence of criminal activity [which will likely never stop a school shooting done by a young adult], or by identifications of a psychological pathology by involved parents and school administrations. A metric can then be determined. A sliding scale might work best, in which a sliding scale of pathological tendencies are rated from Generally Recognized as Malignant to Potential Risk to Self or Society. If the child is dangerous, they can be made a ward of the parent(s) through judicial ruling, or if necessary due to a lack of family capability, availability, etc., a ward of the state.

I can't imagine how with all the tragedies which have occurred which, excepting the obvious but misreported Islamic terrorist attacks, have been carried out by mentally ill people. The sad reality is that if we're unwilling to allow everyone to defend themselves, and actually something fundamentally more destructive to our nation, people are unwilling to "sink so low" as to carry a firearm in their own defense, then at the very least we should be arming our parents, schools, and law enforcement with the ability to shift these mentally ill folks into a system actually designed to ensure the highest quality of life, while virtually eliminating the risks those same people pose to the rest of society,.. Well we're just going to have to become desensitized as people have been saying. "Sorry for you loss, but at least it wasn't me or mine this time around."

Anyways, that's my .47 cents.
My apologies if I beat the horse to a pulp. I just am ready for some real hope to be restored, and maybe some real change, from the bottom up. If we can't convince Washington to change their ways, we can ignore Washington and operate independently first, locally second, etc etc.

GUN FREE = DEATH ZONES
 

Takes a long time for the Sheeple to realize that GUN FREE = DEATH ZONE. Going to take many more sheeple dying before the appropriate changes are made.

Liberals know they cannot be in power with armed citizens and the only road to tyranny/oppression is a disarmed people.

GUN FREE = DEATH ZONE

Not convinced the nation, as a whole, is any more dangerous than it was in decades past.
Information technology just makes it feel that way.

A caveat: particular places may be worse than they had been, but there have always been areas to avoid, e.g. "bad neighborhoods".

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/73199052/


It's all about the spin.
The media wants people to feel helpless.

Fact is, a man fought, and lived.
Others surrendered, and were executed.

Several years ago, there was a particular case where muslim terrorists were executing captives and distributing the videos they made.
One man refused to kneel for his execution, proudly fighting a battle he knew he couldn't win, and saying "I'll show you how an Italian dies!"

The terrorists didn't want that video circulating.
It undermined the propaganda war.

The propaganda war for those who would dominate and oppress (foreign or domestic) is about perpetuating fear and helplessness.
Surrender your Liberty to the supposed strongman and he will save you.

Save you from what?
Death?

EVERYBODY DIES EVENTUALLY.
The question is: How will you live?