McCain opposes Syria strike resolution
 

I think John should retire,, but sometimes he is a cagey old bastard..

Do you think McCain may be trying to set up barry & the LEFT??
Do you think he may introduce a resolution that forces Boots on the ground??
Do you think he may try to force barry to veto his own request??

:munchin

I think McCain should have called it quits and left politics a long time ago while he still had a few brain cells left.

The senile Senator from Arizona guarantees the Syrian rebels are moderates.

Another 'rock and a hard place' for Bam.
Bam just wants to throw a missile or two so he can get off the hook, the hook he set for himself and our Nation.
John wants a 'game changer'....if you do something make it relevant kind of thing.
John may be senile but at least he's acting with intentions of some principle even if misguided.
Bams intentions are strictly self serving.
I hate to see the Presidency diminished, not a good thing on the foreign affairs front.
Doing nothing, at this point, is almost impossible without us losing in some quarter.
Tis has been the most stupidly played affair I've seen to date.

Robably because there's no pork in it for him or AZ.

+1

I think the asshat just wants more money.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

My $.00002
 

IMHO any POTUS has a tough job, though Obama given the nature of his flashy rhetoric and utter lack of spine has talked himself into the type of pickle of a situation where he steps on his crank no matter what happens from here on out. I don't know how cagey Mccain or anyone on the hill needs to be to see a political short squeeze.

Politically, there is no downside for congress to vote this down, let Obama finally own something, because this will be ugly either way, there has already been a great deal of blood and there will be more. There is more to this than politics, if it was just the Assad regime and AQ wanting to duke it out, let Allah sort it out, we might even fence it off and drop in bayonets a la the Hunger Games.

However, I do feel America's enemies many of whom are developing or possess their own WMD will be emboldened by inaction. I don't for a second understand how a limited scale and scope strike accomplishes anything or is even possible, it's not just a matter of unknown unknowns, doesn't history or plain common sense tell us the enemy gets a vote once shots are fired? How can any of these talking heads predict how this ends, the Mid East has always been been a perpetual hornet's nest. Iraq and Libya have reinforced the lessons vaccums don't exist in nature, subsequent regimes can be even worse, and the bulk of the middle east isn't ready for democracy.

Personally I think this can only end with US boots on the ground to secure /ensure the WMD don't end up under AQ control, and congress must set clearly defined operational goals and objectives before once sending them in harms way. What is the objective in Syria, ending the Assad regime, eliminating the WMD?

If Congress wants to be cute they can say okay Mr. Obama since US credibility is now on the line as good Americans we will help walk your talk, but we are broke so we must tack on an addendum to repeal Obamacare to pay for Syria. Obama's narcissism will require a military strike with or without congress, at which point if events escalate to the point of requiring boots on the ground, Congress can come to the rescue " and reconsider given new circumstances"

I'd like to think our elected officials are on this issue finally more concerned with national interests here than re-election, Either way I wouldn't open up a lemonade stand next to the Russian consulate in Damascus anytime soon...

He is not cagey he is fossilized, seems the maverick John gets bored at work. Is it any wonder our Country is in the shape it's in?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-Syria.html

At least HE accomplished Something that day. No one else there did!

It is probably convenient for someone in DC that the attention is now on Congress' indecision rather than everyone in the west wing waiting to find out what Valerie tells her charge to do.

They're feeling bound to do something, anything, even if it's wrong or for the wrong reason or too late to be effective - and someone in an American uniform will die because of it. Plus ca change...
:rolleyes:

"Senator, it is time for you to resign your position as my Senator.”
 

Gold Star Mom to Poker Player McCain: 'I'm Sorry the Lives of Our Brave Warriors Bore You'

Pat

OOPS! Already posted. :(

Mccaine is an absolute nutter. The daft old codger should have slunk back under the rocks years ago when he still had somewhat of a reputation to enjoy.

Freakin' nut-job is going to get us into yet another war.

How convenient, Syria's threat to our national security has taken the spotlight off of the myriad of scandals plaguing the White House, the IRS, the Justice Department, the BATF, the NSA, and the State Department.
If all of these impeachable actions equal the permissible murders that took place in Bengazi, then Syria is the laughable YouTube video that "sparked the attack" on 9-11-12.

Washington needs to be taken out behind the shed like a sick dog and put down.

Remember, there is a man in California serving time for instigating the attacks in Bengazi.

Another perspective...

Putin to supply regime with help
 

Oh boy....heeeere we goooo

Obumbles gets even deeper

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-syria-threat/


PUTIN GREETS OBAMA WITH SYRIA THREAT - President Obama arrived in Russia today to find the already failing relations with his host in even worse condition. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s threat to provide his Syrian allies with a missile shield in the event of U.S. air strikes further complicates Obama’s flagging effort to win international support for an attack on Damascus. As the Guardian reports, Putin’s warning that an attack without UN backing would provoke military aid from Russia may drive away the handful of international partners for Obama’s proposed attack

He's out now, but remains supervised. Apparently he was jailed due to probation violations as opposed to the movie itself. The highlighted text in the following article snip explains it a bit.

Daily Caller link

Snip:

As to the topic at hand, I think McCain may have something up his sleeve.

Situations like this is one big reason I would love to see a requirement of military service for POTUS, VPOTUS, and Speaker. These guys are all in way over their heads. They either don't understand or don't care allowing this situation to get out of hand could turn into WWIII (big oops).

And in spite of the majority of the American public being against any action in Syria, I think POTUS will proceed anyway. I hope and pray not, and that he finds the common sense he is currently lacking in this situation.

Whether or not you put 'boots on the ground', is an air strike on a sovereign nation considered an act of war? The Secretary of State is of the opinion it is not. I think it depends on your perspective, whether or not you are on the receiving end.

Our reason for going to war!
 

War-------------------Reason for entering

WWII-----------------Attacked by Japan, Germany declared war on us

Korea-----------------NK invaded SK our ally, Stop spread of communism

Vietnam--------------NV supported insurgency in SV, Stop spread of communism

Desert Storm--------Iraq invaded an ally, oil

Afghanistan----------Afghanistan harbored a fugitive that attacked the US

Iraq------------------Regime Change, Evidence of WMDs, Ooooops

Syria-----------------Help Al Queda, Evidence of WMDs.....wait.....wah?

It's not an act of war when your opponent can't shoot missiles back at you I guess.

Lions
 

Lions become sheep - sheep become lions......

And the wolf laid the lamb....

Laid the lamb??? WTF?

No boots on the ground? Anyone ever heard of Scott O'Grady? With this administration - at this point, what does it matter now anyways?

He was jailed because the State Department pulled a lie out of their ass. The lie being that anti-Islamic rhetoric caused the death of Americans and contributed to instability in the region.

If these culpable departments are willing to flagrantly lie about the killings and justify their actions by stonewalling Congress, what are they covering and lying about here?

http://professionalsoldiers.com/foru...6&postcount=29

So much for the 1st Amendment.

Senator Cruz' take yesterday
 

His killer-quote is, of course, fodder for the make-your-own Dufflel Blog style posters going around.
And one more snippet:
LINK to full article.

Think Vietnam needs a big oooops also. Right up there with Iraq. History will show Iraq to be the single biggest blunder/lie America ever executed. The Gulf of Tonkin was a fabricated incident that gave the president authorization to commit troops to Vietnam, without approval from congress.
As far as McCain goes. Another example of everything that is wrong with our political system. Until we vote these worthless leaders out of office nothing will change.
He couldn't pay attention in a 3.5 hour hearing that included breaks. Then he joked about it. If he worked for me, he would of been fired.

Interesting how Obama wants to avenge the deaths of a bunch of Muslims in Syria, but not the death of Americans in Benghazi.

Amen.

Nominated for quote of the day.

How ironic it would be if we do the missile strikes, and with all the advanced notice the Syrians have had, to shuffle around, put in place human shields, how much collateral damage do you think there would be?? It would be a shame if we killed more than the original gas attacks...

I wonder how the admin would cope with that???

That's the lamestream media's job.

Reasons for entering a war are not always the same as the causes of wars.

In which case you should either stop identifying yourself as a Republican or claiming that you have an "interest" in history and then pointing to the "lessons" of the past.

In regards to the former, the GOP has made a priority out of promoting freedom abroad. If you're going to ignore that priority because you don't like the president or you don't like the people who might benefit in the short run from American intervention you're being inconsistent (at best).

In regards to the latter, if you're going to talk about the "lessons" of history (which you often do), but then ignore the "lessons" of taking a head in the sand approach to regional conflicts in the era of modern warfare you're being intellectually inconsistent (at best).

Hence why I wrote 'reason for entering' and not 'cause of'

Causes are usually blurry and lost in the outcome as the winner gets to write the history books.

Sometimes the reason is the cause and the cause the reason.

My list was to show how "noble causes", have given way to "junk science".

The GOP and I think even most Democrats think freedom is a honorable reason to go to war.. The problem in many of the current regional conflicts is neither side is espousing freedom.

SO, The next reason, is it in the USA vested interested to interfere, for what ever reason.

Take the case of Kony, freedom will carry the reason, because they sure don't have anything else we need. Is his opposition not as bad?, or may be better?. Who knows. Yet we have done very little out side of the UN mandates to step on that bug.

There are probably over a dozen regional conflicts in Africa alone. In most cases there is no good guys vs bad guys. They are all bad guys and the "vested interest" thing,, it doesn't hold sand.

Syria is one of the areas that does not have history of freedom, nor a history of good guys..

Are we being intellectually inconsistent??
Or maybe we are politically motivated inconsistently??

For what ever reason,, I do not see any reason to do anything for or against that area.

My $00.00002.. :munchin

Freedom? The proposed actions by our government are not promoting freedom for anyone--no matter what bullshit passes from our politicians lips.

Amen