Planned Parenthood Official Argues for Right to Post-Birth Abortion
 

I confess, I didn't even watch this. Watching my blood pressure.

Just when you think libs couldn't get any scumbaggier.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...on_712198.html

Un-F'n believable :mad: This is an example of the slippery slope in it's extreme. Bro, you and I better watch our backs, 'cause they'll be coming after FOG's next - mandatory euthanasia for those leaches on our economy.

Just when I thought the debate couldn't get any more stupid!

I won't watch it. Absolutely disgusting. Don't forget that our president supported this in Illinois. In 2001, Illinois State Senator Patrick O'Malley discovered that a procedure was being performed at hospitals in Illinois where labor was induced on a mother for the purposes of an abortion. Children who survived this procedure were taken to another room and left unattended until passing. In response to this practice, he introduced three pieces of legislation dealing with born children:

•SB1093 said that if a doctor performing an abortion believed there was a likelihood the baby would survive, another physician must be present "to assess the child's viability and provide medical care".
•SB1094 gave the parents, or a state-appointed guardian, the right to sue to protect the child's rights.
•SB1095 simply said a baby alive after "complete expulsion or extraction from its mother" would be considered a " 'person,' 'human being,' 'child' and 'individual' ".

The only member to oppose the legislation in committee and the only member to speak against them was State Senator Barack Obama.


I wonder at what point, if ever, these people will call it murder?

The history of the 'progressive' party is repleat with similar focus....in the 20's 30's the 'progressives' furthered the attitude that those who do not benefit society can be eliminated by society....the mentally ill, seriously handicapped etc....this stems from an atheistic attitude about lifes origins and worth.
Same attitude here.

Anyone that allows this to occur needs to go to jail, that would be ANY politician and voted for these types of measures. This is sickening. :mad:

That's frickin' depraved.

Our society, just seems to get sicker every day. The first post birth abortion should have been on the assclown that suggested it.


RF 1

I have never understood why the "progressives" think of doing things like this are no big deal and a sign of a true civilized society, yet executing a murderer or rapist is the purest form of evil. I guess I'm just not enlightened enough to see the wisdom of their world. :mad:

I guess I'll remain the lowly caveman who lives by his words and deeds and calls evil when he sees it.

Then there's the one about the fat lib chick haranguing a guy for killing deer while she stuffs porterhouse chunks down her gullet.

They were programmed to be hypocritical by their parents and society.

Depravity is right
 

College doesn't teach common sense. IMO, most people who prescribe to progressivism fall under the category of someone who lacks common sense but has been educated by a liberal institution.

Unfortunately, the people who have common sense know better but aren't the ones making decisions and this is why our country is going to shit (for lack if a better term)

The fact that we're having this conversation is proof.

Somewhere between Kindergarten and 1st grade and only if the person doing it is armed with an assault rifle and not a Doctor.

If it passes, barry bet keep his head on a swivel.

This is no different from the child sacrifice that was proscribed in the Old Testament. At some point, our society is going to be held accountable for "abortion for convenience".

I believe this

How does anyone involved in these procedures live with themselves?

They have to, because their hated parents weren't kind enough to abort them.

Pat

Post-birth abortion -- merely another sign that liberal American society is on a mission to devour our nation's soul.

Unavoidable at this point.
Socialized medicine guarantees it.

Socialized medicine leads to rationing.
The inverted demographics with the aging boomers will lead to severe rationing based on the economic value of the patient.

We reap what we sow.

That liberals/progressives can't see the cognitive dissonance between advocating for post-birth abortions while moaning and wailing about the massacre of children in Newtown, leaves me speechless...

In my mind, in both instances, it is murder, plain and simple...

In the liberal's mind, the difference between the two is their indifference to post-birth abortion babies...

This is the sort of muddled nonsense spewed from the pie holes of the Left...

I am now a firm advocate of late-term abortions...I'm thinking in the 18-80 years old liberal/progressive demographic...

liberals and democrats, too. And don't forget Protestants. since only the Catholic Church has denounced abortion.
Do you get head-aches thinking this sort of crap?

It doesn't take too much thought to connect the dots. The right to have an abortion is a priority for liberals and the Democrat party. It was a central theme in the faux "war on women". Don't forget, late term abortion was supported by the current leader of the Democrat party. As for Protestants, many, if not most mainline Protestant churches are on board with Roe v. Wade and government funding of Planned Parenthood. Let's see just how many Protestant denominations actually denounce these statements regarding late term and "post-birth abortions"...or as properly termed...murder.

What gives me head-aches is that there are people out there that believe this is OK and those that defend it.

Whats the age cutoff going to be...
...late term abortion sounds like a great alternative to political campaigning and government corruption.

Its hard to even take this kind of whack job social engineering seriously, but nothing seems that unbelievable anymore.
Here is a thought to ponder:
Years and years ago, when all abortions were "bad" and someone said "this is just the beginning. someday they will try to tell us its ok to abort them after they are born"
...does anyone doubt that there were folks who asked that question?
...does anyone doubt that even the 'pro-lifers' of that era probably told those radical jackass to knock it off with the theatrics, because "that shit will never happen in this country; there are too many checks and balances in place."

Sensitize a society to a certain level of tolerance and subsequent levels of behavior modification don't seem all that crazy. We went from Roe v. Wade in 1973 to having an actual legislative discussion about post-birth abortions in just 40 years. Who knows what will be considered "normal" 40 years from now?
Nothing to see here, move along.

When does the government get to start 'aborting' societies nutjobs whose "radical" ideas are a threat to a safe and stable society? Some people will just slip past the initial abortion screeners and the faults that qualify them for abortion wont manifest until they are a little older. As a result, we will have dangerous people in society tha SHOULD have been aborted. Hell, post birth abortions could have prevented Columbine and Sandy Hook if we had the right post-birth abortion control measures in place.
Government mandated post-birth abortion may sound draconian and inhuman, but we have to think of the children.

...ha, what I am I thinking; that shit could NEVER happen in this country; there are WAY too many checks and balances in place."

Don't be deceived: God is not mocked. For whatever a man/nation sows he will also reap.

IMO, some on the left, provide simultaneous headache and heartache...as our nation's soul rots from the top down.

Post-birth abortion, Bengahzi, Fast and Furious, etc., etc., etc.,

Sitting here, saddened and sickened observing such nonsense and those who enable such behavior.

Incorrect.

I'm not Catholic, and I've denounced abortion from the gitgo.

This incident is another sign of the increasing speed of America's slide into abject immorality.

I think we're either approaching the PONR, or have passed it.

For the record, I'm not Roman Catholic either. I was raised in the Methodist church, which I gave up for Lent 25 years ago. Recently, I felt the need to go back to church to give my 5 year old some perspective. I visited no less than 10 churches, mostly Mainline Protestant denominations, and didn't recognize any of them. They were very political and in my opinion, leftist in nature.

Abortion was always a no-brainer for me. It's simply the murder of our most vulnerable. No excuses. The fact that this discussion is even happening shows me that we have indeed slid into the abyss as a society.

We have crossed the Rubicon.

I guess his statement should have read " Protestant liberal and democrat American society......." a lot of us got the gist of tonyz's post.

tim180a "For the record, I'm not Roman Catholic either. I was raised in the Methodist church, which I gave up for Lent 25 years ago. Recently, I felt the need to go back to church to give my 5 year old some perspective. I visited no less than 10 churches, mostly Mainline Protestant denominations, and didn't recognize any of them. They were very political and in my opinion, leftist in nature. "

I too was raised Methodist they started going left back in the 80's and 90's good luck finding a church that you like but like you I have to wonder whatr happened to that good old time religion?

Here is an interesting map that describes the state by state restrictions on abortion.
I found the sliding bar a little difficult to use (I wanted to stop it at different points) You can also place your cursor on the individual states to see their specific law.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-must-see-map/

Really? The Federal Republic of Germany, for example, has a very advanced nationalized medical system, and they do not allow abortion (unless there is a life threatening underlying medical condition for either the mother or the fetus) and can prosecute their citizens even if they go abroad for an abortion in a country in which it is legal.

So exactly how does socialized medicine "guarantee" such programs? :confused:

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

Ultimately, in America, it seems that the only plank in the Progressive Liberal platform is hypocrisy. Abortion is OK, the death penalty for criminals isn't. Many other areas in the political arena also have both support and opposition from the same people based on the direction of the argument. Perhaps the real reason is the large number of useful educated idiots happy to follow rather than think and reason for themselves.

Perhaps I am simply spoiled having spent most of my adult life surrounded by SF Brothers. While we may not have agreed on all issues, nearly all could think and reason for themselves. :cool:

Please forgive me if I sometimes seem to get "all butt-hurt" over our frequent blaming liberals and Democrats and the biased main steam media for every thing bad. That goes for the nearly endless name calling, blaming, and TEOTWAWKI-ing.

On the matter of abortion it is regrettable, and it is the law of the land. I am greatly disappointed that someone like Justice Sandra Day-O'Connor couldn't find a way to overturn Roe v Wade. There are people out there who for any number of reasons provide abortions. I'm sure many of them justify what they do. Ultimately, whatever reason they choose from "I'm protecting a child from a miserable life" to "I never should have graduated Med School -- I suck at everything I do except this" it is the MOTHER who decides, seeks out and authorizes this legal procedure.

One of the arguments for legal abortion is a desperate woman will get an illegal and unsafe abortion if a legal and safe one is not available. I believe women want abortions in the same way an animal caught in a trap wants to chew it's leg off.

When I was 19 years and three months old I walked the abortion walk with my girl-friend. I was beginning my Sophomore year at a Catholic University that would later go on to have one of the most over-rated basketball teams in history. (I digress . . . but it is SO HARD.) So unlike some I actually have wrestled in the mud with this. We came up with a lot of reasons for why we could avail ourselves of a legal remedy and we had the full emotional and financial support of my girl-friends parents. My staunch Catholic parents sought advice from their priest and ultimately said the decision was ours (that was a watershed revelation for me).

"This changes everything". My girlfriend dropped out of school, we got married in a small ceremony, I worked nights in a funeral home (because it came with a small apartment) Little Dude #1 (now AKA the MI Major) was born the summer before my Junior year. During the next three years we somehow managed to get through it all. Except we divorced before I graduated; before I could legally drink; and before the life we planned on and worked hard for and promised ourselves would be our reward came to be (the life that sans pregnancy would have been).
Were there regrets? GD right there were. Mostly that the same people who would have hated us for taking the easy way out with an abortion were the ones who were offended I brought Little Dude #1 around campus ... "flaunting". That was probably a life changer attitudinally for me. What I or my ex-wife don't regret is loving our unborn child and each other enough to take responsibility.

I am constantly amazed at the things people tell me. The girlfriend of a buddy told me she had an abortion because she knew they could never be married and if they were it wouldn't last so she couldn't destroy her his and the baby's life (yes, she completely missed that part).

Lastly, as I bring this butt-hurt rant to a close, two final things:
Lots of people seek abortions and it has nothing to do with their political or social leanings.
21 weeks is the minimum term where a human being is viable outside the womb. That's 147 mornings where someone woke up, made coffee and asked themselves, "So . . . What should I do today?" Some of them were Conservative Republicans and some of them were devil-worshippers.

John Irving's "The Cider House Rules" is one of my favorite novels.

I have to wonder, though, how we can ever settle such an intimately personal issue as this through legislation when we still have parents seeking to have science teacher's fired for things like daring to use the word 'vagina' in a 10th grade biology class lesson on the human reproductive system.

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

that was the movie I was trying to remember the name of. Michael Caine's portrayal of the tormented abortionist.

That's the reason we have a republican form of government, and why Roe v. Wade was so horrid. This is an issue that must be debated vigorously and for as long as it takes. The Supreme Court's decision cut off all the effective debate. They took the decision-making power away from elected legislatures, and a very tough decision was made by nine unelected judges. In so doing, they (the same unelected judges) inserted a heretofore unannounced right, and totally sidestepped the 10th amendment(any power not specific to the federal government remains with the states or the people).

Nonetheless, this post goes further, into the land of killing a living child outside the womb. 100 years from now, I hope U.S. citizens look back at this and are aghast.

In my mind this post is ONLY about the killing of a living child outside the womb, the decision to have the abortion has already been made. Botched abortions happen, of course we do not read about them on a regular basis, it's what happens to the baby that I find abhorrent. The problem with abortions is that in this day of enlightenment with so many forms of free or readily available birth control at our disposal people use abortion as a form of birth control, it is too convenient to get an abortion.

I used to be one of those guys who thought that through abortion we were saving a child from a life of poverty or not being wanted in a loving home. Were it only the poor and the ignorant getting them I might look at it differently today. There are few valid reasons in my mind that abortion should be used as a form of birth control.

How noble to pass a death sentence on another, helpless, human being in the name of stopping poverty.

I think I might rather live in poverty than be dead. At least alive, one has opportunities especially if you believe, as I do, that your destiny is your own.

I'ts workin' for me, so far. :D

Dozer, Brother, this is one of the most moving and courageous posts that I have read. A {Salute} to you, Brother. Thank you.

One of the most influential pieces of literature that I read as a youth was written by an Episcopalian Bishop Joseph Fletcher, "Situational Ethics". Bishop Fletcher's message is particularly relevant to this thread and I highly recommend it.

My point is that we cannot legislate morality and we shouldn't try. The slippery slope from any point of view on any issue that is fundamentally one of morality leads to oppression of the individual. In light of "De Oppresso Liber" is this not hypocritical? Just some food for thought. ;)

We don't have to. It was legislated back when Moses humped those two rocks down the mountain.