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BMT (RIP) 05-12-2012 03:23

82nd's Gen. Jeffrey A. Sinclair removed from job in Afghanistan
 
"This is a criminal investigation," said Ben Abel, a Fort Bragg spokesman.

http://fayobserver.com/articles/2012...ac=fo.military


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glebo 05-12-2012 04:37

hmm, possibly not towing "the party line"???

SF_BHT 05-12-2012 05:12

Criminal investigation ......... He is incharge of the LOG side, contracts, supplies, etc..... Money does a strange thing to people.........

Just a observation only the CID agent knows..............

33army 05-12-2012 05:28

I can't imagine someone of his rank would be hurting financially......however, as was stated, money is a mythical beast that can make a sane man do crazy things.

SF_BHT 05-12-2012 06:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33army (Post 448274)
I can't imagine someone of his rank would be hurting financially......however, as was stated, money is a mythical beast that can make a sane man do crazy things.

Well there is one other thing that makes a man do crazy things but that is for another thread....

Richard 05-12-2012 07:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by SF_BHT (Post 448276)
Well there is one other thing that makes a man do crazy things but that is for another thread....

Such behavior cost the 173rd Bde CDR his career. ;)

Richard :munchin

abc_123 05-12-2012 09:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by SF_BHT (Post 448276)
Well there is one other thing that makes a man do crazy things but that is for another thread....

True, but that other thing usually is not criminal.

SF_BHT 05-12-2012 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by abc_123 (Post 448294)
True, but that other thing usually is not criminal.

It is if it is his second or third Wife and no Divorces....:p
Cross thread points......:eek:

Richard 05-12-2012 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by abc_123 (Post 448294)
True, but that other thing usually is not criminal.

Research the case of the 173rd CDR... ;)

Richard

The Reaper 05-12-2012 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by abc_123 (Post 448294)
True, but that other thing usually is not criminal.

According to the UCMJ it is.

I wonder if they use the CID to investigate violations of General Order Number 1?

TR

abc_123 05-12-2012 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 448307)
According to the UCMJ it is.

I wonder if they use the CID to investigate violations of General Order Number 1?

TR

You're right. I'm wrong.

SF_BHT 05-12-2012 13:25

What is wrong..... The intel network has not heard any rumors about him yet? Go to the O Club and listen to the wifes talking and you will know what he is brought back for........

ChuckG 05-12-2012 16:13

Do they still have an O Club? Every time I go down to Bragg, the old club looks pretty dead.

PRB 05-12-2012 16:49

Put my money on the honey trap

SF_BHT 05-12-2012 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckG (Post 448332)
Do they still have an O Club? Every time I go down to Bragg, the old club looks pretty dead.

SHows you how long it has been for me there....;)

The Reaper 05-12-2012 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckG (Post 448332)
Do they still have an O Club? Every time I go down to Bragg, the old club looks pretty dead.

No, they tore down the NCO Club for a convention center, and the O Club is the only club remaining, as an all-ranks club.

TR

PRB 05-12-2012 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 448368)
No, they tore down the NCO Club for a convention center, and the O Club is the only club remaining, as an all-ranks club.

TR

No one goes on post to drink...unless you want to ruin your carreer....in the 90's they were setting up all vehicle check points late at nite just to catch any drivers/drinkers....killed the clubs on all posts

MtnGoat 05-13-2012 09:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRB (Post 448369)
No one goes on post to drink...unless you want to ruin your carreer....in the 90's they were setting up all vehicle check points late at nite just to catch any drivers/drinkers....killed the clubs on all posts

That's why the sports USA club/ bar died ten years ago. MPs positioned themselves at key location. Not until they busted the 18th Corp MP commander. Now as far as I know or was told. That is why people at the GB club stopped there around 7 pm and moved of post. Which drove people just going to CM Bar or Mash House.

Stras 05-13-2012 10:08

MWR management of the GB Club as well as others also hastened the departure to off post establishments that cater to the needs of the various groups, as opposed to just trying to make $$ off the G.I. Joes..

CM's is now the new GB Club with the old timers holding court and eating jalapeno popcorn.

BMT (RIP) 09-26-2012 12:21

Army brigadier general faces sex, pornography charges
 
http://www.stripes.com/news/army-bri...CqiUb8.twitter


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glebo 09-26-2012 12:51

I'll see your General...and raise you a LTC....


A protocol officer for a general at U.S. Central Command at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Fla., has been arrested for allegedly trying to entice a 17-year-old boy into sexual activity.

The Tampa Bay Times reports that Air Force Lt. Col. Stephen Michael Governale was being held Tuesday in Seminole County without bail pending an Oct. 1 hearing in Orlando federal court. Court documents do not identify the general to whom Governale, 49, of Tampa, reported or indicate where the teenager lives.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/26...-year-old-boy/

Just WTF is going on these days. The morals seem to be diminishing rapidly....leadership???? At THE highest level???

Badger52 09-26-2012 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by glebo (Post 468742)
Just WTF is going on these days. The morals seem to be diminishing rapidly....

WTH. You mean the in-room Spice channel on his Guv card didn't fly through DTS? I've got butter knives with a better edge.

It does seem as if a few more key leaders than previously reported are not displaying the professionalism that could be construed to foster trust. Such conduct can fan the flames of allegations that the chain of command is not walkin' the talk, whether it be as a go-to person in suicide prevention or proper reporting of incidents of sexual assault.

Pete 09-26-2012 13:37

Fort Bragg Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sinclair facing sodomy, other charges
 
Fort Bragg Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sinclair facing sodomy, other charges

What a mug shot

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/...ac=fo.military

"A Fort Bragg brigadier general has been charged with forcible sodomy and other offenses involving sex, pornography and alcohol, Army officials said this morning.

The Fayetteville Observer has been monitoring the case and learned of the charges this morning. Fort Bragg officials will hold a press conference this afternoon............................."

Dude what were you drinking? Not the water it seems like!

SF_BHT 09-26-2012 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete (Post 468745)
Fort Bragg Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sinclair facing sodomy, other charges

What a mug shot

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/...ac=fo.military

"A Fort Bragg brigadier general has been charged with forcible sodomy and other offenses involving sex, pornography and alcohol, Army officials said this morning.

The Fayetteville Observer has been monitoring the case and learned of the charges this morning. Fort Bragg officials will hold a press conference this afternoon............................."

Dude what were you drinking? Not the water it seems like!

So with which side:eek:

Looks like they allready had the Article 32 with this many charges....

SF_BHT 09-26-2012 15:51

[QUOTE=glebo;468742]I'll see your General...and raise you a LTC....


A protocol officer for a general at U.S. Central Command at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Fla., has been arrested for allegedly trying to entice a 17-year-old boy into sexual activity.

The Tampa Bay Times reports that Air Force Lt. Col. Stephen Michael Governale was being held Tuesday in Seminole County without bail pending an Oct. 1 hearing in Orlando federal court. Court documents do not identify the general to whom Governale, 49, of Tampa, reported or indicate where the teenager lives.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/26...-year-old-boy/

Just WTF is going on these days. The morals seem to be diminishing rapidly....leadership???? At THE highest level???[/QUOTE]

You remove any Standards, penalties and basically allow any type of conduct other than normal and people just go bonkers. I hate to
bunch a group into one stereo type but it is starting to show that we may have a trend. Wish the bell could be un rang......

Let the assault begin..........

Dozer523 09-26-2012 19:34

You raised with a LTC on this hand?
You're gonna have to pony up more than that... Say a Sub Commander, Helo Squadron Commander and a couple who bumped or ground their boats to play this game!

PRB 09-26-2012 20:40

Forcible sodomy.....you have to force sub into this....shoot him and get it over with.
Freakin Gen Officer abusing subordinates.
If you don't have the savvy to conduct consentual ops at his pay grade...kill him.

SF_BHT 09-26-2012 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRB (Post 468773)
Forcible sodomy.....you have to force sub into this....shoot him and get it over with.
Freakin Gen Officer abusing subordinates.
If you don't have the savvy to conduct consentual ops at his pay grade...kill him.

I am seeing a theme here...... Kill them..... I concur..!!!!!!!!:cool:

Ghost_Team 09-27-2012 06:04

I'm pretty sure there was a time that he could have gotten away with this. It would have all been swept under the rug, and he would have quietly retired. I guess rank doesn't have as many privileges as it used to, which actually brightens my day. After 20 years of seeing NCO's get crucified, it's nice to see officers get publicly crushed under the same rules that they would enforce on the rest of us.

Jgood 09-27-2012 16:33

looking like more 630 accountability formations and safety briefs because that will fix everything:rolleyes:

also heard he had a picture with a ball cap on :D

The Reaper 09-27-2012 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost_Team (Post 468780)
I'm pretty sure there was a time that he could have gotten away with this. It would have all been swept under the rug, and he would have quietly retired. I guess rank doesn't have as many privileges as it used to, which actually brightens my day. After 20 years of seeing NCO's get crucified, it's nice to see officers get publicly crushed under the same rules that they would enforce on the rest of us.

I guess that will depend on whether he was sodomizing a female, or a male.

TR

69harley 09-27-2012 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 468806)
I guess that will depend on whether he was sodomizing a female, or a male.

TR

With the new rules on homosexuality it really shouldn't make a difference?

mark46th 09-27-2012 17:59

Under the new guidelines, he will probably get leniency if it was a male...

The Reaper 09-27-2012 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark46th (Post 468818)
Under the new guidlines, he will probably get leniency if it was a male...

Exactly.

Can't punish a 'mo.

Time was, that would have gotten him tossed out on his ass, so to speak.

TR

AngelsSix 10-07-2012 16:53

http://www.stripes.com/mobile/news/a...odomy-1.192237

So who thinks they will let the General retire quietly? His life is over now, anyway.

SF_BHT 11-06-2012 10:07

Prosecutors allege 5 women in general's sex crimes
 
Looks like some miss steps that may taint the case...... Looks like this guy has had a pattern that has gone unchecked for a while.


Quote:

Prosecutors allege 5 women in general's sex crimes

By MICHAEL BIESECKER | Associated Press – 18 hrs ago

FORT BRAGG, N.C. (AP) — U.S. Army prosecutors offered the first details of a rare criminal case against a general, alleging in a military hearing Monday that he committed sex-related crimes involving four female officers and a civilian.

A hearing on evidence in the case against Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sinclair began Monday at Fort Bragg, home to the 82nd Airborne Division. Officials said the Article 32 hearing, similar to a grand jury proceeding in civilian court, was expected to last at least two days.

But before prosecutors could start presenting their case, defense lawyer Lt. Col. Jackie Thompson said military investigators had violated his client's rights by reading confidential emails he exchanged with his lawyers and wife discussing the accusations against him.

Under questioning from Thompson, the lead investigator for the case acknowledged she had read the confidential e-mails, violating the terms of the subpoena used to obtain them from Sinclair's service provider. Those e-mails were later turned over to prosecutors, who are barred from seeing Sinclair's communications with his counsel.

Thompson then asked Criminal Investigative Command Special Agent Leona Mansapit if she had the resources she needed to conduct a proper investigation in Sinclair's case.

"Probably not, sir," Mansapit replied. "I wish I had."

The defense is asking the officer conducting the hearing, Maj. Gen. Perry L. Wiggins, to either require all new prosecutors to be assigned or that the case be thrown out.

Sinclair faces possible courts martial on charges including forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, violating orders, engaging in inappropriate relationships, misusing a government travel charge card, and possessing pornography and alcohol while deployed.

He served as deputy commander in charge of logistics and support for the division's troops in Afghanistan from July 2010 until he was sent home in May because of the allegations.

The sex-related accusations against Sinclair range from forcing a female officer to perform oral sex to having an extramarital affair with a civilian woman. Sinclair is married and adultery is a crime under the military code of justice.

In one instance, prosecutors also said that Sinclair threatened one woman's military career if she refused his advances. Later, prosecutors alleged that he threatened her life and the lives of her relatives if she told anyone about his actions.

When other officers questioned how the general spoke to women under his command, Sinclair was reported by prosecutors to have replied, "I'm a general. I'll say whatever the (expletive) I want."

Prosecutors alleged the general's illegal acts took place between 2007 and 2012 in places including Iraq, Afghanistan and Germany, as well as Fort Bragg and Fort Hood in Texas.

The Army had kept details secret until now in the rare criminal case against a high-ranking officer. That is different from other high-profile case where Army prosecutors were quick to release charging documents.

In March, the Army quickly released charge sheets laying out evidence against Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, the soldier accused of gunning down 17 Afghan civilians during a massacre in southern Afghanistan.

The first Article 32 hearing in Bale's case also began Monday across the country in Washington at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, south of Seattle.

There have been only two other court-martial cases against Army generals in recent years.

Before prosecutors can present evidence to support the accusations against Sinclair, much less move to a courts martial, Wiggins must decide whether to move forward with the Article 32 hearing.

"The investigators were tainted, and they tainted the prosecutors," Thompson told Wiggins. "They bungled the investigation, and if you leave them in place, they will bungle the prosecution as well."

A visibly flustered Lt. Col. William Helixon, the lead prosecutor, was put in the uncomfortable position of calling two of his fellow prosecutors to the witness stand to deny they had read the privileged e-mails. The defense learned of the apparent violation by spotting the e-mails among 16,000 pages of evidence turned over by the prosecution earlier this month.

Wiggins called a recess until 4 p.m. to consider what happens next.

MR2 11-06-2012 10:49

One of the things about military justice I learned early on was that the military was very effective in applying UCMJ against 'military type' violations and very ineffective against 'civilian-type' violations.

afchic 11-06-2012 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by SF_BHT (Post 473380)
Looks like some miss steps that may taint the case...... Looks like this guy has had a pattern that has gone unchecked for a while.

It still amazes me that there are women out there that are willing to put up with this bullshit when someone threatens their careers.

I can guarantee if he tried to force me into oral sex he would no longer have that particular appendage attached to his body.

He also would have had his testiculars shoved so far up in his throat it would have taken a surgeon to remove them.

Once my husband got a hold of him, then things would get nasty ;)

At that point it wouldn't have mattered to me if my career was in jeapordy. I wouldn't have been able to look my husband in the face, or myself in a mirror if allowed myself to be abused in that manner, without putting up one hell of a fight.

SF_BHT 11-06-2012 11:56

I guess we had better not ever harass you except over the internet.......:p

You are so right it does amaze me that they get away with it.

rsmith569 11-06-2012 12:04

He is kinda looking like the Tiger Woods of Generals, just Tiger didn't have to force them.


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