Swing States Poll: A Shift by Women puts Obama in Lead
 

Are there, honestly, that many stupid females in this Country?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...oll/53930684/1

MILWAUKEE – President Obama has opened the first significant lead of the 2012 campaign in the nation's dozen top battleground states, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, boosted by a huge shift of women to his side.

In the fifth Swing States survey taken since last fall, Obama leads Republican front-runner Mitt Romney 51%-42% among registered voters just a month after the president had trailed him by two percentage points.

The biggest change came among women under 50. In mid-February, just under half of those voters supported Obama. Now more than six in 10 do while Romney's support among them has dropped by 14 points, to 30%. The president leads him 2-1 in this group.

Romney's main advantage is among men 50 and older, swamping Obama 56%-38%.

Republicans' traditional strength among men "won't be good enough if we're losing women by nine points or 10 points," says Sara Taylor Fagen, a Republican strategist and former political adviser to President George W. Bush. "The focus on contraception has not been a good one for us … and Republicans have unfairly taken on water on this issue."

IN WISCONSIN:GOP stances alienate women, Obama team says

In the poll, Romney leads among all men by a single point, but the president leads among women by 18. That reflects a greater disparity between the views of men and women than the 12-point gender gap in the 2008 election.

Obama campaign manager Jim Messina says Romney's promise to "end Planned Parenthood" — the former Massachusetts governor says he wants to eliminate federal funding for the group — and his endorsement of an amendment that would allow employers to refuse to cover contraception in health care plans have created "severe problems" for him in the general election.

"Romney's run to the right may be winning him Tea Party votes," Messina said in an interview, but he says it's demonstrated that "American women can't trust Romney to stand up for them."

He adds: "It would be hard for them to win if you have this kind of gender gap."

Romney pollster Neil Newhouse predicts the gender gap will narrow as Romney moves from the pitched battle of the GOP primaries — Wisconsin, Maryland and the District of Columbia vote Tuesday — to a fall election focused on economic issues.

"If there's a gender gap, it goes beyond Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum to a partisan gender gap," Newhouse said in an interview. "It's not Romney-specific. I would argue that it's broader than that."

While women typically are more likely to identify themselves as Democrats than men are, that difference widens to a chasm in the USA TODAY poll. By 41%-24%, women call themselves Democrats; men by 27%-25% say they're Republicans.

The survey of 933 registered voters, taken March 20-26, has a margin of error of +/- 4 points. The swing states surveyed are Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.

Of course the Obama Team would say that. Right now people are fired up (and "mad") at the current Republican governor, many who I've talked to unable to articulate exactly why - but they like signing things like recall petitions. Same phenomenon seen during GWB's 2nd term with tantrums thrown via Sharpie inside the voting booth. Milwaukee proper itself is a bastion of people with their upturned palm out. The counties completely surrounding it are deep red; and there might even be some conservative fish left in Lake Michigan.

It is still a primary; and rags like USAToday seldom venture from the concrete. Counties very recently visited by the GOP contenders attached. As a friend from Wyoming says, "this could get western."

Point well taken, unfortunately, stupid knows no gender in this coming presidential election.

I still run into folks (non-females) who are fooled by Barry.

Keep fighting the good fight.

Oh, don't get me wrong! As long as people get out there and vote-that's all I (coughs) care (gags, actually pukes a little) about.

"Registered voter" polls are not as accurate as "likely voter" polls. I would like to see the numbers from the same states in a likely-voter poll.

I always wondered why women weren’t allowed to vote. Initially, I thought it was about power over women, but I have come to a different conclusion. About 5-6 years ago I watched a documentary about street pimps; furthermore, how they recruit new women to work for them. It was like watching a politician run for office, how he could sell a bag of goods, make up these utopian fantasies about how much money they would make, and they could retire together on some island with people serving them. And, these women just soaked it up like a sponge, never challenging their sales pitch, or calling them out. Of course, later down the road, the pimp was mistreating them, but these women would defend the pimp, and blame other pimps for their pimp’s shortcomings. Very loyal to their pimps, no matter how they treated them. Politics is just a bigger pimp game, with promises and grand plans that never seem to materialize. The left blames the right, and the right blames the left. It’s the pimp game par excellence.

"...Politics is just a bigger pimp game,..."

Given most of our current crop of politicians you just might owe an apology to "pimps" everywhere. :D

Well that is an interesting take on women. So you are stating that because some women, for whatever reason, become prostitutes and have a pimp, all women shouldn't be allowed to vote? :confused: Interesting.

It is almost as interesting as the portion of the Koran that states a woman can not provide testimony during a trial because women are emotional creatures and therefore can not be trusted to give truthful testimonty because their emotions inherently get in the way.

Where's the pink font?

:p

Don't make me drag out my stats on how women got Obama elected, young'un. :D

This whole thread. . . Really?

Astounding. :eek:

Richard :munchin

Misogyny is a helluva disease, y'all. :D

Look, I'm incredulous about the poll in that I believe it's gotta be wrong, for one thing.

Still, ignorant voting decisions by females have contributed greatly to the election of a couple of the sorriest excuses for POTUS' this Country has ever experienced, which I've already proven on this forum.

I'm also incredulous over how easily the Dems were able to manipulate women regarding the birth control issue. Use your heads, ladies. (I'm addressing the universal lady, not the intrepid members of this BB.)

I would argue that it was the ignorance, not the gender that was the problem. There are plenty of ignorant men contributing to the current state of affairs IMHO. YMMV....

Oh, ho, ho, that goes without saying, Doc.

Hunter vs Nester/Gatherer
 

It's that old Hunter vs Nester/Gatherer thing.

Living in a house full of females you can't count the number of times I've done a double take on some of their political views and then had to work hard to explain to them why they should rethink their position.

They are all suckers for a good attack add - "Oh my God! I can't believe the guy did that."

Out of five voters in my circle 1 is a Republican (me), 1 Libertarian and three are Democrats - because "they" (Democrats) care.

My oldest and second oldest picked BJ Clinton because "he's better looking". :(

People vote for candidates for any number of reasons.

FWIW.

Richard :munchin

Acquaintance from old Army days who lives in capital told me she'd be laying money that Romney would get his ass kicked by women & libs based "on his positions & rhetoric regarding certain women's issues; he's really angered the women." I failed at being able to elicit from her specifics of these issues (plural). How did that turn out?

Looking over the results last night, racked & stacked by county, it was pretty much the 2 MAJOR liberal bastions (Milwaukee & Dane counties) that carried Romney & kept him from getting his ass kicked completely by Rick Santorum.

No argument that people, especially women, were manipulated by this recent issue. I see it this way: The Dems put out a big leg trap, easily seen - and avoided, and baited it with the little tiny bait of "birth control." Some of the more stupid Repubs and Rush Limbaugh couldn't resist trying to grab at it... and got caught in the trap.

They seem to do that a lot lately.

Yeah. Poor Rush. His ratings only went up by 60%. :D

They care more...
 

I run into that with both family and many of my collegues - yet, most (who make any real money anymore) work hard to reduce what they pay in various taxes - when they could voluntarily contribute more any time they wanted to.

I guess they care more...but not enough to take a larger hit in the pocketbook to walk the walk unless they impose their misery on the rest of us.

In my observations many Dems are quite receptive to emotional stimuli - that is - their voting position can be readily moved by emotional advertisements/arguments. And, that makes some sense as Madison Ave. has sold hundreds of shades, flavors, packaging, etc., etc.

Moreover, many Dems that I encounter see themselves as the party of the "little person"...the "working man." Unfortunately, the Dem party of that person appears to me to have been hijacked by the extreme left, decades ago.

MOO, the "we care more" attitude also provides many Dems and their sympathizers with an artificial air of superiority for various political positions on various subjects. In many Dem's eyes, it seems to me, that non-Dems are wayward souls to be educated or indoctrinated, depending who you are dealing with... 'cause they care more.

ETA: I suspect that we all care...or at least many do...but we disagree on how to get it done. YMMV.

The Left controls the media (including Hollywood) and the schools. Unless that is reversed promptly, religion in the United States will continue to be ridiculed and marginalized until those with faith are a powerless and oppressed minority. I think we are only a generation or two away from being a secular society.

Those of you who ridicule women for voting Democrat have your heads in the sand. Birth control and abortion are the most important political issues for very large numbers of women, and the number of women who hold that view is growing and will continue to grow as our culture changes and becomes more European. Come spend some time in a large city and you'll see.

Anyone who cares about social issues (and, by the way, I'm a libertarian and I don't) should be focused on taking back the schools and the media, not wasting time trying to nominate unelectable social conservatives for national office.

My two cents. YMMV.

Birth control/women's repro. issues are sacrosanct to the majority of women in our country. The example that comes to mind is the blow-back that hit the grande dame of breast cancer charities, the Komen Foundation when they decided to cut funding to Planned Parenthood. Although they reversed their decision, Komen's funding has taken a hit (and exposed their ridiculous administrative hierarchy). I think that it is telling that the Obama camp has planted the seeds of what they will undoubtedly sow next fall with regards to their attack on Romney. All they had to say to mobilize millions of women was "Romney will close Planned Parenthood".

Romney can't close Planned Parenthood any quicker than Obama can tell the SCOTUS what to do.

Romney clarified his statement by saying that he "would cut federal funding" to P.P. Predictably, this was O's response:
http://thehill.com/video/administrat...-video-message

O knows who is target audience is. Romney should take a page from the former mayor of L.A. and former gubernatorial candidate, Richard Riordan (whom I am very fond of). Riordan, a devout Catholic, said when asked about abortion issues, that he was personally apposed to abortion and birth control, however is was not in society's best interest to tell a woman that she must have an unwanted child. Riordan gave examples of what he called 'the destructive cycle of an unloved child", and how this cycle would/could effect society. Of course, abstinence is best, Riordan said...but let's be practical. That ain't gonna happen. If Romney was to sit down with say...Diane Sawyer or another queen of the lib. media and say something like what Riordan said, then maybe he wouldn't continue to be almost 20 percentage points behind O.

I personally know far more women that have pledged to pull their funding of Komen for the opposite reason. I, and many women I know, didn't know that Komen contributed to PP. I wrote them a letter and told them I will never again support their organization. My sisters, cousins, aunts, etc... all used to do the Race for the Cure every year, no matter where we lived. No one in my family is supporting them this year. Most of my female friends feel the way I do, and are pulling their support as well.

I am all about saving the boobies, ;) but I can find a heck of a lot of other organizations to give my money to than one who uses my money to donate to an org that kills babies.

I think you gentlemen will find that us conservative women are growing in numbers. We may not get as much face time as Nancy Pelosi and that hag Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, but there is going to be a great upheaval soon.

Yes many women care about reproductive rights, but not as our primary issue. Talk to moms and you will see a greater number who are more worried about the education their children are getting, or that the economy that will be handed to our kids and grandkids will bankrupt them if we don't turn things around soon.

Growing up we used to call my youngest sister the Pinko Liberal Commie. She was one all the way through college, and then she entered the "real" world. She is now one of the most staunchly conservative women I know.

Are there women out there that vote for the POTUS based on his "being handsome", or course there are. But in my observation, they are few and far between and do not provide a representative sample of the "general" woman.

Education has not been in the forefront of this election cycle, yet. I saw this article this morning... And it would appear that you are indeed, correct, AFChic. I certainly hope so.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1402529.html

From your linked story

"..........While the College Board poll didn't get into specific policy questions related to teaching or teachers' unions, it did find that the majority of swing voters view increased education funding as an important issue, and that 55 percent of swing voters would pay $200 more in taxes to get more money to schools.............."

Since education is a "local" issue it's interesting that they didn't break out a local vs state vs federal increase in taxes and spending.

When you enter "funding" per child you end up sinking into a rabbithole of twisted facts and figures.

But looking at the published figures for Cumberland County you get $8,259 per student.

http://www.ccs.k12.nc.us/StatsFacts.htm

The better private schools - excluding Fayetteville Ac. - around here are running on (tuition) around $4,000 per year - plus a couple of hundred in fees. Classroom size in the private schools are around 15 or 16ish.

Also the student population in the county school system has remained +/- 53,000 since 1996.

Public schools have shown throwing money at a problem does not fix it - but people think it does.

A class of 16 at a private school brings in $64,000. A class of 16 at a public school brings in $132,144 - of what - the teacher gets maybe $35,000? Where does that money go?

$4,000 divided by 12 = a car payment.

If I was POTUS for a day, I would do away with the Department of Education via a Presidential Directive, that the current POTUS is so fond of signing.

Maybe once we let the states deal with education, without any freebies from the Feds, they can better manage their districts.

When I lived in Shamong New Jersey, our school district was comprised of ONE elementary school, and ONE Jr. High. All the little towns around us, ie Tabernacle, Medford, Medford Lakes, etc, all within a 1/2 mile of each other had the same set up. Then there was a seperated district for the ONE high school in our area. When we left in 2005 our property taxes were about 9K.

Everytime the citizens got together to try and force the districts to combine, the teacher's union got involved and made sure that didn't happen. Because how else were 10-15 administrators going to pull $150K+ salaries?

Luckily we were so far out in the sticks of the Pine Barrens that the classrooms weren't full and the teachers had plenty of time to help out kids if they were having problems.

Yet what always amazes me is that the teachers who don't make as much as the administrators always support the outrageous salaries . I could understand if they had hopes to fill those positions on down the road, but most do not. Don't they understand that they would be making more if they combined some of these smaller districts and had one superintendant?

Richard and Zonie, maybe you can explain it to me.

I don't. That's just wishful thinking on your part. The opposite is true.

I don't know if women are really that dumb... Personally, I don't think polls hold a lot of water. This particular poll is a sampling of 933 'registered' female voters in 10 swing states.

Having said that, I do believe stating positions on issues such as contraception, abortion, etc... is walking into a firestorm. There will never be a win, as it is extremely personal to women. This is understandable since the choices have direct physical and emotional consequences that go beyond a philosophical discussion of morally right and wrong. It's as personal and controversial as the 'right to die'.

If I was advising a potential candidate, I'd tell them to separate their personal belief from what the role of government should be. If stated correctly, it will respect women beyond their personal politics. Those with extreme views on opposing sides of the spectrum will never be satisfied.

May be wishful thinking in your neck of the woods, but not mine.

Another piece of bait for women voters:
 

Isn't it time we expand our tolerance to encompass penis envy? :D

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/05/ob...-golf-dispute/


The White House’s spokesman said Thursday that the president believes that a golf club in Augusta, Ga., 551 miles from the White House, should change its membership rules and admit women as members.

The golf club in question is the Augusta National Golf Club, which is hosting the high-profile Masters tournament this week.

“It is obviously up to the club to decide, but his personal opinion is that women should be admitted to the club,” Obama’s spokesman, Jay Carney, said in response to a question from a reporter.

The private club does not invite women to be members. Feminist groups are pressuring the club, and its corporate sponsors, to change its long-standing rule.

However, Obama is trying to bolster support with feminist groups, partly because he’s trying to maximize favorable turnout among women in the November election.

Obama “believes Augusta should admit women. We’re kinda long past the time when women should be excluded from anything,” Carney said.

The new announcement reflects Obama’s view that the administration should play a larger role in the nation’s economy and civil society.

Snip/Click for vid of Opie I mean Carney.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/05/ob...#ixzz1rCMhyJnG

With all due respect, it is wishful thinking everywhere.

Just one example of supporting data:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...h-survey_N.htm

I probably should of been more straight forward. Women base many decisions on their emotions, not all, but most do. Manipulators know this too, and take advantage of it. Governments throughout history like to use a fear base promotion to expand its power over the people. From there, I think you know where I'm coming from. Anyways, it doesn't matter these days, since Western society has been largely feminized, most men fall for the fear promotion too. Never mind, the cult of safety that's driving me nuts. If I hear another guy say, "have a safe day", I'll punch him in the face. Not really, but I can dream of it-- until that gets regulated too...:D

So you have taken a scientific poll on "most" women have you?

I'll volunteer to assist in that undertaking!:D


No, not really!