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SF-TX 10-04-2011 19:42

Indict Eric Holder
 
An Investors Business Daily editorial is calling for the indictment of Attorney General Eric Holder. That would be a good start.

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Indict Eric Holder

Posted 06:59 PM ET

Scandal: A major-league pitcher was indicted for lying to Congress about steroid use. Administration memos show Eric Holder lied about what he knew about Fast and Furious and when he knew it. What's the difference?

Somewhere, Scooter Libby must be scratching his head. He was indicted and convicted simply because his recall of when a meeting occurred differed from others. He didn't lie about a gun-running operation that led to the deaths of two American agents and at least 200 Mexicans.

But Attorney General Eric Holder did, according to memos obtained by CBS News and Fox News.

They show Holder lied to Congress on May 2, 2011, when he was asked about when he knew about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' Fast and Furious gun-running operation. He told House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa he was "not sure of the exact date, but I probably learned about Fast and Furious over the last few weeks."

Holder learned of the operation as early as July 2010 in a memo from the director of the National Drug Intelligence Center informing him of an operation run by the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force out of the Phoenix ATF office, under which "straw purchasers are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug cartels."

On Oct. 18, 2010, one of Holder's chief deputies, Lanny Breuer, chief of the Justice Department's Criminal Division, told Holder in a memo that prosecutors were ready to issue indictments of a few gun traffickers involved in Fast and Furious.

A memo the day before from Deputy Attorney General Jason Weinstein to another lawyer in the Criminal Division, James Trusty, asked if Breuer should do a press conference when Fast and Furious became known.

"It's a tricky case," Weinstein wrote, "considering the number of guns that have walked." Trusty replied, "It's not going to be any big surprise that a bunch of guns are being used in MX (Mexico), so I'm not so sure how much grief we'll get for 'gun walking.'"

Fast and Furious became known two months later when Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed at the hands of an illegal immigrant working for the Sinaloa cartel just 10 miles from the Mexico border near Nogales, Ariz. Guns found at the scene were traced to Fast and Furious. In addition to Terry, Immigration Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata was killed in a separate incident by a weapon allowed to "walk" into Mexico from the U.S.

Holder, quite simply, has lied to Congress, although the defense now being offered is he didn't understand Issa's question, doesn't read all the memos sent to him or was otherwise out of the loop.

It is perhaps the first time incompetence has been offered as a defense to possible charges of criminality.

ATF agent testimony, last Friday's document dump, communications between National Security council staffers and the ATF, and now this demonstrate that Holder and the White House knew that guns were deliberately being allowed to "walk" into the hands of murderous Mexican drug cartels.

As Issa told radio talk show host Laura Ingraham last month: "We have a paper trail of so many people knowing that the only way the attorney general didn't know is he made sure he didn't want to know. ... But if you don't want to know something of this sort, then you shouldn't have the job he has."

We'd go a step further. Baseball star Roger Clemens was equally vehement when he told a House committee in 2008: "Let me be clear. I have never taken steroids or HGH." Clemens was indicted for lying to Congress.

The same should go for Eric Holder.

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rdret1 10-04-2011 21:45

I will second that motion!

longrange1947 10-05-2011 17:25

Lets indict the whole dam bunch of them! :munchin

Gypsy 10-05-2011 17:27

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Originally Posted by longrange1947 (Post 417412)
Lets indict the whole dam bunch of them! :munchin

Now you're talking.

Paslode 10-06-2011 05:26

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Andrew C. McCarthy
October 5, 2011 4:00 A.M.
Holder’s Dubious History

When he served as Clinton-administration deputy attorney general, Holder engineered the scandalous Marc Rich pardon by creating a rogue procedure that allowed the fugitive fraudster and his attorneys to appeal directly to President Clinton rather than go through DOJ’s regular pardon process. The regular process would have required input from the U.S. attorney’s office handling Rich’s case — the Southern District of New York, where I worked for many years (including when the pardon was granted). That input would have doomed the pardon by making Clinton undeniably aware of the nature and dimension of Rich’s criminal conduct.

By keeping the prosecutors who knew about Rich’s case out of the process, Holder ensured that Clinton was one-sidedly exposed to the Rich camp’s version of events. This greatly benefited Rich’s legal team, which was led by former Clinton White House Counsel Jack Quinn, a close confidant of Vice President Al Gore. When he was helping Rich in 1999 and 2000, Holder was hoping to be made attorney general in what Democrats were confident would be a Gore administration.

I don’t want to rehash all the unsavory details; I just want to focus on the following: When Clinton’s pardon of Rich blew up, Congress held hearings. Despite the fact that he had interceded on Rich’s (and Quinn’s) behalf even before the pardon shenanigans, Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2001, under oath, that “Mr. Rich’s name was unfamiliar to me” in 1999, when Quinn first beseeched Holder to help Quinn try to convince SDNY prosecutors to drop the charges. Holder elaborated that he had “gained only a passing familiarity with the underlying facts of the Rich case” when, in the ensuing months, he helped push for the pardon. He claimed that he had been too busy to inform himself about the case of the criminal for whom he was lobbying — a man who had been on the FBI’s top-ten list of wanted fugitives.

Based largely on Holder’s rambling and often incredible testimony, which stressed his purported ignorance of Rich’s background, a House investigation concluded that the “sum total” of Holder’s “knowledge about Rich came from a page of talking points provided to him by Jack Quinn in 2000.” The House Government Operations Committee concluded that Holder’s behavior in the Rich affair had been “unconscionable,” but it took no further action.

Eight years later, when President Obama nominated him to be attorney general, Holder clung to his protestations of ignorance. At the nomination hearing, Arlen Specter, then the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, pointedly asked, “Were you aware of the kind of record this man [Rich] had?”

Here’s Holder’s response:

No I was not. And that was one of the mistakes that I made. I did not really acquaint myself with his record. I knew that the matter involved — it was a tax-fraud case; it was a substantial tax-fraud case. I knew that he was a fugitive. I did not know a lot of the underlying facts that you have described.

In written follow-up questions, Specter pressed again: “Did you receive information about the facts of the Rich case from anyone other than Mr. Rich’s attorney, Jack Quinn?”

Holder tersely responded, “No.”

Yet, as I pointed out in the days before Holder’s confirmation, none of this appears to have been true. It is a virtual certainty that Holder knew quite a bit about Rich, years before he was approached to assist the Rich pardon effort.

Before becoming deputy attorney general, Holder was the Clinton-appointed U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia. In 1995 — years before Holder got his talking points from Quinn — Holder’s office filed a civil suit against a Swiss trading company called Clarendon, Ltd. Why? Because, in obtaining $45 million in government contracts, Clarendon had concealed its intimate relationship with the dastardly, notorious federal fugitive . . . Marc Rich.

It turned out that Holder’s office had been conducting an investigation into Rich and his business interests for tax evasion and other suspicious activity. Not surprisingly, then, the civil complaint U.S. attorney Holder filed against Clarendon exuded familiarity with Rich. Indeed, the premise of the complaint was that Rich’s sordid history of fraud and his status as a fugitive from justice rendered him ineligible for government contracts. Therefore, the suit alleged, Clarendon was liable for hiding the fact that Rich controlled the company.

The complaint screams out knowledge of Rich’s corporate holdings and his tortuous efforts to obscure his connection to the company. Holder’s office also recounted that Rich had blatantly obstructed justice in a grand-jury investigation. One of his companies ended up paying $21 million in contempt fines, the complaint reported. And although a number of Rich companies ended up pleading guilty to various charges, Holder’s office took pains to point out that their “plea agreement did not resolve any of the personal charges pertaining to Rich” and his accomplice, Pincus Green. Those charges, the complaint asserted, “remained outstanding.”

And the matter doesn’t stop at the complaint. Holder’s office held extensive negotiations with Clarendon and, as it happens, Clarendon’s principal. Astoundingly, Holder’s office not only had discussions with company attorneys but actually accepted an affidavit from Rich — then one of the country’s most infamous fugitives — in the course of settling the case.

Ultimately, U.S Attorney Holder agreed to dismiss the case in exchange for a payment to the government of $1.2 million. Naturally, though, it was not enough just to reach a settlement. Justice Department officials like to trumpet the conclusion of their high-profile cases as successes, and D.C.’s United States attorney was no exception. On April 13, 1995, the Wall Street Journal reported Holder’s public announcement of the settlement and of the fact that his office was ending its probe of the Rich conglomerate.

To summarize, at the pardon hearings in 2001, Eric Holder testified before Congress that he had barely known who Marc Rich was when he went to bat for Rich in 1999 and 2000. At his confirmation hearing in 2009, Holder repeated this testimony that errors in judgment had stemmed from his failure to acquaint himself with Rich’s sordid record. In point of fact, however, Holder had actually overseen an investigation of Rich and his companies years earlier, precisely premised on the fact that a Rich company had hidden its connection to the fugitive and his extensive record of fraud and obstruction. Holder had even publicly announced a lucrative settlement.

Sound familiar?

None of this is new news. While the Senate was considering Holder’s nomination, I laid the facts out in an NRO column on January 21, 2009. Four days later, I reported that Holder had again claimed ignorance about Rich in his written answers to follow-up questions. I pleaded that he be further pressed on the matter — not only by Republicans but by Democrats who, during the tenure of Bush AG Alberto Gonzales, had been strident in emphasizing the obligation of attorneys general to provide Congress with truthful, accurate testimony.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rew-c-mccarthy

SFENGR 10-06-2011 09:18

Indite Holder
 
Gents,

IMNSHO, indite the entire WH crowd. Impeach Obama and get rid of his Czars.

2012 isn't fast enough - we need to do it now! The Tea party has the right idea, and now the far left loons are jumping in on the protest in NYC - unions and ex-czar Ron Jones - do you smell a conspiracy??

Dusty 10-09-2011 11:20

LA Times
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...tory?track=rss

Guns illegally purchased under the ATF operation were found in April hidden in violence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, court records show.
Reporting from Washington— High-powered assault weapons illegally purchased under the ATF's Fast and Furious program in Phoenix ended up in a home belonging to the purported top Sinaloa cartel enforcer in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, whose organization was terrorizing that city with the worst violence in the Mexican drug wars.

In all, 100 assault weapons acquired under Fast and Furious were transported 350 miles from Phoenix to El Paso, making that West Texas city a central hub for gun traffickers. Forty of the weapons made it across the border and into the arsenal of Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo, a feared cartel leader in Ciudad Juarez, according to federal court records and trace documents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The smugglers' tactics — quickly moving the weapons far from ATF agents in southern Arizona, where it had been assumed they would circulate — vividly demonstrate that what had been viewed as a local problem was much larger. Six other Fast and Furious guns destined for El Paso were recovered in Columbus, N.M.

"These Fast and Furious guns were going to Sinaloans, and they are killing everyone down there," said one knowledgeable U.S. government source, who asked for anonymity because of the ongoing investigations. "But that's only how many we know came through Texas. Hundreds more had to get through."

Torres Marrufo, also known as "the Jaguar," has been identified by U.S. authorities as the enforcer for Sinaloa cartel chieftain Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman. The Fast and Furious weapons were found at one of Torres Marrufo's homes April 30 when Mexican police inspected the property. It was unoccupied but "showed signs of recent activity," they said.

The basement had been converted into a gym with a wall covered with built-in mirrors. Behind the mirrors they found a hidden room with the Fast and Furious weapons and dozens more, including an antiaircraft machine gun, a sniper rifle and a grenade launcher.

"We have seized the most important cache of weapons in the history of Ciudad Juarez," Chihuahua state Gov. Cesar Duarte said at the time, though he did not know that many of the weapons came from the U.S. and Fast and Furious.

Torres Marrufo has been indicted in El Paso, but authorities have been unable to locate and arrest him.

In the U.S., intelligence officials consider the Sinaloa cartel the most powerful drug trafficking organization in the world. Weekly reports from U.S. intelligence authorities to the Justice Department in the summer of 2010, at the height of Fast and Furious, warned about the proliferation of guns reaching the Sinaloa cartel.

Under Fast and Furious, begun in fall 2009, the ATF allowed illegal buyers to walk away with weapons in the hope that agents in Phoenix could track the guns and arrest cartel leaders.

Three months into the program, El Paso began to emerge as a hub, perhaps the central location, for Fast and Furious weapons. On Jan. 13, 2010, El Paso police stumbled upon 40 firearms after following a suspicious dark blue Volkswagen Jetta that backed into a garage at a local residence, according to federal court records.

Alberto Sandoval told authorities he acquired the weapons three days after they were purchased from someone he knew only as "Rudy." He said he was paid $1,000 to store the guns and "knew the firearms were going to Mexico."

Sandoval pleaded guilty in federal court in El Paso and was sentenced to 6 1/2 years in prison. A month later, on Dec. 17, 2010, he escaped from a minimum-security prison in Tucson; officials believe he fled to Mexico.

Two others, Ivan Chavira and Edgar Ivan Galvan, were subsequently charged in that gun recovery, along with the recovery of 20 Fast and Furious weapons on April 7, 2010, in El Paso. Those guns also were discovered by chance by local authorities, and ATF trace records show that the weapons were purchased in Phoenix two weeks before they were found in El Paso.

Chavira and Galvan pleaded guilty. Chavira received eight years in prison; Galvan is to be sentenced next month.

Streck-Fu 10-14-2011 09:26

Add grenade manufacturer to list of those let go by ATF
 
CBS Video

CloseDanger 10-14-2011 20:40

It is time.
 
The US Congress should be firing for effect on the AG right now. There is plenty of ammo and ways to get him removed. Without Holder, Obama has his six wide open.

With the AG removal, the filing cabinets are a target rich environment. If we wait too long, there may be too many paper shredders in the DOJ.

This is not politics, this is LAW.

alright4u 10-15-2011 20:45

Arrest Holder.
 
If I willfully and knowingly sold a rifle or pistol to a known violent criminal and he kills someone with that weapon- I should be tried for murder.

greenberetTFS 10-16-2011 07:08

Eric Holder is going yo get away with this by blaming GWB,just like they've been doing since these cronies got into the WH.............:mad:

Big Teddy :munchin

The Reaper 10-16-2011 08:56

After the way Holder handled the Mark Rich case, does this really surprise anyone?

He broke the law while in a position of trust as a federal officer to further the political careers of his bosses.

Then he did it again. What a shock. :rolleyes:

Fool me once, shame on you....

TR

Wiseman 10-16-2011 09:09

He is too important to be indicted. Don't you peasants know that rules are different for the big boys?

Dusty 10-16-2011 09:24

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Originally Posted by Wiseman (Post 419401)
He is too important to be indicted. Don't you peasants know that rules are different for the big boys?

Who knows what indictments the future may bring? :munchin

Look what happened to Nixon and Clinton.

Nobody's impervious.

( I know you're being ironic...)

Team Sergeant 10-16-2011 09:33

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 419402)
Who knows what indictments the future may bring? :munchin

Look what happened to Nixon and Clinton.

Nobody's impervious.

( I know you're being ironic...)

Only two presidents have been impeached.

Presidents impeached in the United States:

Andrew Johnson (1865–1869)

William Jefferson Clinton (1993 to 2001)

At least Nixon resigned.......

Paslode 10-16-2011 10:01

The AG’s Fast & Furious amnesia is reminiscent of his Marc Rich amnesia.

Holder has a long list of coverups in his resume


Another Clintonite name that came out of the wood work in the last week was spinmaster Lanny Davis author of Scandal Management 101 which among other things mentions 'document dumping'.

Document Dump Friday 9/30/2011

Friday Solyndra Email Dump

Burton spokesman Mark Corallo acknowledged the committee had possessed the records since 1995. However, he said they were part of more than 100,000 documents the Justice Department gave the panel three days before hearings were to begin, ''in an obvious attempt to keep congressional staff from having enough time to review those documents.''

alright4u 10-17-2011 03:10

TOGETHER WE ARE UNITED.
 
DIVIDED WE ARE CONQUERED. The latter has been Osama Obama's message from day one, but; no one believes he and Oprah want to destroy America before it is rebuilt.They want class warfare. Not one time in SOG did I see Race BS, so that is PURE BS. Obama plays divide and conquer class warfare every damn day.

I say we do not need to rebuild a damn thing except invoke the work ethic. Make all pay taxes as we paid the damn taxes even as E-1's. What is lower then that?If a E-1 can pay taxes why can't those making 48K? Only we can, the American citizen, have the right to participate in questions like that. This damn divide and conquer shit is old. We are past that Obama trick.

No longer will I/we or any of our friends become so weak kneed and dependent on government handouts that we rob our own treasury.

We are or will be fighters not protestors. We shall work anywhere a man or woman will pay us if we can do the work.We will no longer be sucked into this BS that we are the poor fighting the very rich. We refuse to play Obama's class warfare game. Obama is a damn clown hyping his own PT Barnum show.

greenberetTFS 10-17-2011 05:54

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Originally Posted by alright4u (Post 419485)
DIVIDED WE ARE CONQUERED. The latter has been Osama Obama's message from day one, but; no one believes he and Oprah want to destroy America before it is rebuilt.They want class warfare. Not one time in SOG did I see Race BS, so that is PURE BS. Obama plays divide and conquer class warfare every damn day.

I say we do not need to rebuild a damn thing except invoke the work ethic. Make all pay taxes as we paid the damn taxes even as E-1's. What is lower then that?If a E-1 can pay taxes why can't those making 48K? Only we can, the American citizen, have the right to participate in questions like that. This damn divide and conquer shit is old. We are past that Obama trick.

No longer will I/we or any of our friends become so weak kneed and dependent on government handouts that we rob our own treasury.

We are or will be fighters not protestors. We shall work anywhere a man or woman will pay us if we can do the work.We will no longer be sucked into this BS that we are the poor fighting the very rich. We refuse to play Obama's class warfare game. Obama is a damn clown hyping his own PT Barnum show.

You know you're a man after my own heart....."O" has screwed us so bad in the last 3 years it's going to take our next leader two terms to get this nation back on track again....I'm leaning on this guy Cain now,he seems to have his s**t together ..;)

Big Teddy :munchin

Iraqgunz 10-17-2011 15:46

It's amazing that we were able to impeach Clinton, yet something as serious as this just keeps sailing on down as if nothing happened. I emailed Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer. I told them that they are so worried about guns in civilian hands, yet neither of them has had the balls to say or do anything about the AG and lord knows who else selling guns to Mexican cartel members while simultaneously trying to subvert the 2nd Amendment.

Dusty 10-17-2011 16:02

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Originally Posted by Iraqgunz (Post 419592)
It's amazing that we were able to impeach Clinton, yet something as serious as this just keeps sailing on down as if nothing happened. I emailed Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer. I told them that they are so worried about guns in civilian hands, yet neither of them has had the balls to say or do anything about the AG and lord knows who else selling guns to Mexican cartel members while simultaneously trying to subvert the 2nd Amendment.

Holder's black, dude. Obama's not gonna prosecute him any quicker than Holder will prosecute the New Black Panthers.

Paslode 10-25-2011 17:30

U.S. border agent jailed for improper arrest of suspected drug smuggler
 
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U.S. border agent jailed for improper arrest of suspected drug smuggler

By Jerry Seper
The Washington Times
Tuesday, October 25, 2011

A U.S. Border Patrol agent has been sentenced to two years in prison for improperly lifting the arms of a 15-year-old drug smuggling suspect while handcuffed - in what the Justice Department called a deprivation of the teenager's constitutional right to be free from the use of unreasonable force.

Agent Jesus E. Diaz Jr. was named in a November 2009 federal grand jury indictment with deprivation of rights under color of law during an October 2008 arrest near the Rio Grande in Eagle Pass, Texas, in response to a report that illegal immigrants had crossed the river with bundles of drugs.

In a prosecution sought by the Mexican government and obtained after the suspected smuggler was given immunity to testify against the agent, Diaz was sentenced last week by U.S. District Judge Alia Moses Ludlum in San Antonio. The Mexican consulate in Eagle Pass had filed a formal written complaint just hours after the arrest, alleging that the teenager had been beaten.

Defense attorneys argued that there were no injuries or bruises on the suspected smuggler's lower arms where the handcuffs had been placed nor any bruising resulting from an alleged knee on his back. Photos showed the only marks on his body came from the straps of the pack he carried containing the suspected drugs, they said.

Border Patrol agents found more than 150 pounds of marijuana at the arrest site.

The defense claimed that the smuggling suspect was handcuffed because he was uncooperative and resisted arrest, and that the agent had lifted his arms to force him to the ground - a near-universal police technique - while the other agents looked for the drugs.

The allegations against Diaz, 31, a seven-year veteran of the Border Patrol, initially were investigated by Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Office of Professional Responsibility, which cleared the agent of any wrongdoing.

But the Internal Affairs Division at U.S. Customs and Border Protection ruled differently nearly a year later and, ultimately, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Texas brought charges.

The Law Enforcement Officers Advocates Council said the government's case was “based on false testimony that is contradicted by the facts.”

In a statement, the council said that because the arrest took place at about 2 a.m., darkness would have made it impossible for the government's witnesses to have seen whether any mistreatment took place. It said Marcos Ramos, the Border Patrol agent who stood next to Diaz, testified that he did not see any mistreatment of the smuggling suspect.

The council said other witnesses made contradictory claims and some later admitted to having perjured themselves. Such admissions, the council said, were ignored by the court and the government. It also said that probationary agents who claimed to have witnessed the assault raised no objections during the incident and failed to notify an on-duty supervisor until hours later.

“Instead, they went off-duty to a local 'Whataburger' restaurant, got their stories straight and reported it hours later to an off-duty supervisor at his home,” the council said. “Then the 'witnesses' went back to the station and reported their allegations.”

The council also noted that the teenager claimed no injuries in court other than sore shoulders, which the council attributed to “the weight of the drug load, approximately 75 pounds, he carried across the border.”

The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Texas, which brought the charges, is the same office that in February 2006 - under U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton - prosecuted Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean after they shot a drug-smuggling suspect, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, in the buttocks as he tried to flee back into Mexico after abandoning a van filled with 800 pounds of marijuana. Aldrete-Davila also was given immunity in the case and testified against the agents.

Agents Ramos and Compean were convicted and sentenced to 11 and 12 years in prison, respectively.

President George W. Bush commuted the sentences in 2009 after they had served two years.

The same prosecutors also charged Edwards County Deputy Sheriff Gilmer Hernandez in 2005 with violating the civil rights of a Mexican criminal alien after he shot out the tires of a van filled with illegals as it tried to run him over. One of the illegal immigrants in the van was hit with bullet fragments.

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greenberetTFS 10-25-2011 18:19

WTF!...............:rolleyes::eek:

When is this s**t going to end,bad guys go free,cops go to jail.........:mad:

Big Teddy :munchin

rdret1 10-25-2011 19:25

Reading the article, the same prosecuter has been involved in bringing charges against other BP agents and a local Sheriff for supposed violations of illegal alien's rights. Each time drugs were allegedly involved. I would say that prosecutor needed to be investigated. Something smells fishy.

Box 10-25-2011 20:50

If Holder got tossed in jail today, the administration would have him pardoned and working the political speaker circuit in time to go trick or treating...

Hell, they put a tax cheat in charge of the treasury department so it only makes sense to put a thug in charge of the justice department.


...nothing to see here folks, move along.

http://XXX.youtube.com/watch?v=4EYlXay0njE

Iraqgunz 10-27-2011 15:19

This is unreal. I agree with rdret1. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this guy is in someones' pocket. Of course, it doesn't look like he will be investigated any time soon.

tonyz 10-27-2011 15:50

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Originally Posted by Iraqgunz (Post 421400)
This is unreal. I agree with rdret1. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this guy is in someones' pocket. Of course, it doesn't look like he will be investigated any time soon.

At a minimum, he is in holder's pocket...and by extension in the anointed one's pocket.


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