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Dusty 08-08-2011 16:35

Pollster: Americans are Pre-Revolutionary
 
http://www.infowars.com/pollster-ame...revolutionary/

Amidst riots in central Europe that have now spread to London and a debt downgrade that threatens to plunge the United States into a double-dip recession, Americans’ lack of confidence in their leadership is so crippled that they are now “pre-revolutionary,” according to pollster Pat Caddell.

A new Rasmussen poll shows that just 17 per cent of Americans believe that the U.S. government has the consent of the governed, an all time low. This dovetails with a record low for Congress’ approval rating, which stands at a paltry 6 per cent, while 46 per cent of Americans think most members of Congress are corrupt, with just 29% believing otherwise.

“The number of voters who feel the government has the consent of the governed – a foundational principle, contained in the Declaration of Independence – is down from 23% in early May and has fallen to its lowest level measured yet,” according to Rasmussen.

The poll was conducted before Friday’s U.S. debt downgrade, indicating that the figures could be even more dire in the aftermath of what some analysts believe is a precursor to a new great depression.

The results of this survey indicate that Americans are now “pre-revolutionary” says pollster Pat Caddell, who described the outcome of the poll as “unprecedented”.

This conclusion follows Caddell’s observation last November that “a sea of anger is churning” amongst Americans who “want to take their country back” and that the nation stood on the brink of a “pre-revolutionary moment”.

A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Caddell’s conclusion that Americans are on the verge of rising up against a system in which they have lost all trust cannot be easily dismissed as partisan rhetoric. Despite working for numerous Democratic presidential candidates, including Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden, Caddell has been a vociferous critic of both Democrats and Republicans on several issues.

Back in early 2008, before the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the start of the financial crisis, we warned that inflation and economic uncertainty would cause a massive social dislocation, which would lead to riots globally. Gerald Celente and others repeated the warning in late 2008. Over the last 18 months, we have now witnessed such scenes across the Middle East and in France, Spain, Greece, Italy and most recently London.

Indeed, the only major western country not to experience significant social unrest since the economic collapse is America, although anecdotal evidence of rising crime and thefts suggests a turning point could be just around the corner.

Should violence plague American streets as a result of a deepening economic crisis, U.S. troops have already been prepared to deal with such a crisis.

As we reported three years ago, U.S. troops returning from Iraq were being re-allocated to occupy America, running checkpoints and training to deal with “civil unrest and crowd control” under the auspices of a Northcom program that revolved around deploying 20,000 active duty troops inside America to “help” state and local officials during times of emergency.

The date set for the completion of this program was 2011, just in time to deal with the “pre-revolutionary” fervor that many fear will now manifest itself in Greece-like mayhem as a result of the fallout from the debt downgrade and America’s slide towards economic collapse.

mojaveman 08-08-2011 16:55

If things keep getting worse it could very easily happen here and anyone who thinks it can't is naive and delusional. If and when it comes it's going to start in the poor inner city areas and spread elsewhere. Hope everyone is prepared...

casey 08-08-2011 17:44

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Originally Posted by mojaveman (Post 407836)
If things keep getting worse it could very easily happen here and anyone who thinks it can't is naive and delusional. If and when it comes it's going to start in the poor inner city areas and spread elsewhere. Hope everyone is prepared...

When it comes??? Anybody not believe most big cities are in some type of containment mode now?

greenberetTFS 08-08-2011 17:57

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 407830)
http://www.infowars.com/pollster-ame...revolutionary/

As we reported three years ago, U.S. troops returning from Iraq were being re-allocated to occupy America, running checkpoints and training to deal with “civil unrest and crowd control” under the auspices of a Northcom program that revolved around deploying 20,000 active duty troops inside America to “help” state and local officials during times of emergency.

Has anyone informed Janet Napolitano regarding the above?..........:eek:

Big Teddy :munchin

Paslode 08-08-2011 18:01

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Indeed, the only major western country not to experience significant social unrest since the economic collapse is America, although anecdotal evidence of rising crime and thefts suggests a turning point could be just around the corner.


Just theft? I believe you mean something like this?

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Kansas City police said several hundred youths showed up on the Plaza and some who were causing trouble were asked to leave the shopping and entertainment district. Many of them gathered in Mill Creek Park, where officers heard gunshots about 11:15 p.m.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/25...#ixzz1UU7o9XD1
or this...

Witnesses' accounts claim everything from dozens to hundreds of young black people beating white people as they left State Fair Thursday night.




or this.....

McDonald's Employee Took Credit For Filming Brutal Beating In Baltimore Fast Food Joint



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Should violence plague American streets as a result of a deepening economic crisis, U.S. troops have already been prepared to deal with such a crisis.
Hmmmmm..if that is true...who's bidding will they do? Obama and his radical friends or the Constitution and the People?

Ret10Echo 08-08-2011 18:04

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Originally Posted by greenberetTFS (Post 407852)

Has anyone informed Janet Napolitano regarding the above?..........:eek:

Big Teddy :munchin

Not exactly a news flash

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DSCA. Support provided by U.S. Federal military forces, DoD civilians, DoD contract personnel, DoD Component assets, and National Guard forces (when the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Governors of the affected States, elects and requests to use those forces in title 32, U.S.C., status) in response to requests for assistance from civil authorities for domestic emergencies, law enforcement support, and other domestic activities, or from qualifying entities for special events. Also known as civil support.

Directive NUMBER 3025.18 December 29, 2010 here

cheewok 08-08-2011 18:50

Posse Comitatus
 
DOD would do well to pull up Posse Comitatus Act of 18 June 1878 after Reconstuction. As we all know, it specifically limits Army to Federal duties on Federal property. Navy/Marine Corps by DOD directive 1956 and Coast Guard exempt except if subsumed by the Navy as in WWII. At which point, that portion would lose Federal police power authority which they currently have as part of Homeland Security. Those uneducated to the Constitution, would not be considered assets if such a scenario, as has been eluded to, should continue to develope. Having been retired since '92 has given me a new view of our rudderless country. It has strayed way too far left and needs to be guided back on the proper path. An American path.

Five-O 08-08-2011 19:19

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Originally Posted by casey (Post 407847)
When it comes??? Anybody not believe most big cities are in some type of containment mode now?

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...iversity-city/


You mean something like this?

Team Sergeant 08-08-2011 19:46

All it's going to take is a spark to lite this candle.

casey 08-08-2011 20:07

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Originally Posted by Five-O (Post 407880)


100% under-reported. As we await our Bernard Hugo Goetz moments.........

The Reaper 08-08-2011 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheewok (Post 407873)
DOD would do well to pull up Posse Comitatus Act of 18 June 1878 after Reconstuction. As we all know, it specifically limits Army to Federal duties on Federal property. Navy/Marine Corps by DOD directive 1956 and Coast Guard exempt except if subsumed by the Navy as in WWII. At which point, that portion would lose Federal police power authority which they currently have as part of Homeland Security. Those uneducated to the Constitution, would not be considered assets if such a scenario, as has been eluded to, should continue to develope. Having been retired since '92 has given me a new view of our rudderless country. It has strayed way too far left and needs to be guided back on the proper path. An American path.

There are lots of laws being violated today.

The POTUS and AG believe, IMHO, that they are above the law.

TR

Paslode 08-08-2011 20:50

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Originally Posted by casey (Post 407888)
As we await our Bernard Hugo Goetz moments.........

Part of the Goetz Legacy as of 2004

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At the time, there were 15,000 felonies a year on average in the subway — more than 40 every day around the nation's largest mass transit system. Twenty years later, there were just 2,760 felonies reported through Nov. 14 — barely eight per day. Murders in the subways, which topped out at 26 in 1990, are at zero for the year.

Subway ridership is at about 4.5 million riders daily; back then, the number of straphangers was in freefall, with one out of every four passengers abandoning the subways between 1965 and 1982. In 1984, ridership was at about 2.7 million per day.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...16-goetz_x.htm

Penn 08-09-2011 03:16

I spend a great deal of time in University City and the adjointing mapped area, it should be note that this is the wealth belt of Philadelphia. It is surround by marginally livable neighborhoods that are tinderboxes ready to explode. One best be prepared, most are not.

Sigaba 08-09-2011 05:04

FWIW, the write up of the poll is available here.

I'd find Mr. Caddell's analysis more compelling if he had provided a definition of what constitutions "pre-Revolutionary." (As the blog post in the OP makes a reference to Eastern Europe, this is not an off the cuff question.)

I would also find his analysis more insightful if the data being analyzed included information on Americans' views towards the federal government beyond congress and the major political parties. What about data on how Americans view state and municipal governments, the importance of elections and the reliability of their results, concepts such as the rule of law, trust (public and private), justice (however one wants to define that term), data about basic social services at state, county and municipal levels, the reliability and affordability of public transportation, utilities, and basic foodstuffs? What about data on topics trending heavily on various social media websites, significant upswings in the popularity of 'radical' media, trends in political satire, and the types of pr0nography Americans are watching. (Pr0n that satirized nobles and politicians spiked dramatically in the years leading up to the French Revolution).

My $0.02.

Pete 08-09-2011 06:04

Interesting
 
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Originally Posted by Sigaba (Post 407920)
......... What about data on how Americans view state and municipal governments, the importance of elections and the reliability of their results, concepts such as the rule of law, trust (public and private), justice (however one wants to define that term), data about basic social services at state, county and municipal levels, the reliability and affordability of public transportation, utilities, and basic foodstuffs? ..................


I find that interesting in that in getting out and talking to some people I am surprised now and then.

I was talking to a local "conservative" about bus service. I was complaining about the cost of running bus service out to the newly annexed parts of the city. I was like "If people need bus service they should move and live near areas that have bus service". He was like "But Bus service is a basic city service" and I replied "What did they do for transportation before they were annexed?".

Services cost money ..............

I think everyone wants cuts - but just not in anything they use.

1stindoor 08-09-2011 06:56

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Originally Posted by Five-O (Post 407880)

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And when parents come to pick up curfew violators, the mayor said, they’ll be told to keep track of the child.

“If you don’t even bother to pick up your child, we are immediately calling the Department of Human Services, and you can then be taken to court for other violations including neglect of your child,” he warned.
Although I agree with this course of action...this is just a lawsuit waiting to happen.

1stindoor 08-09-2011 07:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete (Post 407925)
I was talking to a local "conservative" about bus service. I was complaining about the cost of running bus service out to the newly annexed parts of the city. I was like "If people need bus service they should move and live near areas that have bus service". He was like "But Bus service is a basic city service" and I replied "What did they do for transportation before they were annexed?".

Services cost money ..............

I think everyone wants cuts - but just not in anything they use.

I think there's other issues where the "services" and forced annexation are concerned. I agree, the people in those areas used to find other ways to get around town. Likewise they also had other municiple services for trash, water, electricity, etc. However, when the city decided to annex and tax the entire area...the citizens were right to demand busing and other services they were being forced to pay for.

Pete 08-09-2011 07:24

The Key
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1stindoor (Post 407933)
..........the citizens were right to demand busing and other services they were being forced to pay for.

Ah, but that's the key. Bus service is expensive, so is trash collection by city workers - gets into that whole pay and pension thing.

Yes, the folks out in Cliffdale West will have to pay more in taxes - but taxes will now go up on everyone to pay for the expanded services. Government grows and so do the costs.

Not everyone can work for the Government. The Cumberland County School system alone employs just under 7,000 workers. Add in all the other government workers from the cities of Cumberland County plus the rest of the County workers and you'll see government services are the biggest employer in the area after the Military.

casey 08-09-2011 07:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1stindoor (Post 407931)
Although I agree with this course of action...this is just a lawsuit waiting to happen.


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And when parents come to pick up curfew violators, the mayor said, they’ll be told to keep track of the child.

“If you don’t even bother to pick up your child, we are immediately calling the Department of Human Services, and you can then be taken to court for other violations including neglect of your child,” he warned
He doesn't get his target audience at all.

The use of the term parents, as in plural is not appilcable. And I'm sure the DHS - an organization that runs like a well oiled machine will have no problem stepping in and handling all those new "clients".....

Five-O 08-09-2011 08:33

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Originally Posted by casey (Post 407942)
He doesn't get his target audience at all.

The use of the term parents, as in plural is not appilcable. And I'm sure the DHS - an organization that runs like a well oiled machine will have no problem stepping in and handling all those new "clients".....

Agreed. A good percentage of these "kids" are already in the DHS system and without parents. Grandma or auntie are attemting to raise them...with negative results. These animals are less "pre-revoluttionary" and more plain punks IMHO. They would not know WTF a revolution was anyway.

1stindoor 08-09-2011 08:55

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 407940)
Ah, but that's the key. Bus service is expensive, so is trash collection by city workers - gets into that whole pay and pension thing.

Yes, the folks out in Cliffdale West will have to pay more in taxes - but taxes will now go up on everyone to pay for the expanded services. Government grows and so do the costs.

Not everyone can work for the Government. The Cumberland County School system alone employs just under 7,000 workers. Add in all the other government workers from the cities of Cumberland County plus the rest of the County workers and you'll see government services are the biggest employer in the area after the Military.

Oh believe me I agree with you. My wife is an employee of the Cumberland County School system...and at one time (pre big-bang annex) I lived on that side of town. Of course I bought in the county...versus the city...for the lowered taxes, realizing that I was going to have a septic system, no busing, etc. My outrage over the whole annexation issue is the fact that Fayetteville chose to do it without looking at second and third order effects and immediately raised taxes without increases services.

I was lucky, I was able to sell my house, (off of Rim Road), before the area turned into a complete rental zone.

Richard 08-09-2011 10:34

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Originally Posted by Five-O (Post 407948)
They would not know WTF a revolution was anyway.

But they're wearing 'Mao' t-shirts and 'Che' guerrilla chic hats from Old Navy... :rolleyes:

Richard :munchin

Utah Bob 08-09-2011 16:18

I'm not sure if I'm pre-revolutionary or pre-menstrual.
Do they feel the same?:confused:

No wait. I'm too old to be pre-menstrual so maybe I'm pre-revolutionary. I always thought i was post-revolutionary.

Dammit this stuff's complicated!:mad:

Dusty 08-09-2011 17:01

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Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 408069)
I'm not sure if I'm pre-revolutionary or pre-menstrual.
Do they feel the same?:confused:

No wait. I'm too old to be pre-menstrual so maybe I'm pre-revolutionary. I always thought i was post-revolutionary.

Dammit this stuff's complicated!:mad:

Pre-menstrual?

PedOncoDoc 08-09-2011 18:19

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 408077)
Pre-menstrual?

He looks closer to post-menopausal....

Just sayin...:D

Dusty 10-06-2011 14:42

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/R...0/06/id/413536

Rush Limbaugh contends that President Barack Obama is "setting up riots" through the Occupy Wall Street protests that are spreading across the country.

“There’s no doubt in my mind that the White House is behind this,” he said. “Obama is setting up riots. He is fanning the flames.”

The “anarchists” and “union thugs” who are rallying against corporate greed are Obama’s constituents, Limbaugh said.

“Occupy Wall Street is his base,” he said. “Those are his foot soldiers.”

Calling Obama’s news conference about the American Jobs Act this morning “incompetence on parade,” Limbaugh said the nearly $450 billion spending package has no chance of curing the economic ills.

“Somebody explain to me how spending $450 billion is going to get every bridge repaired, every school repaired, every road repaired,” he said. “This is utter foolishness.”

Obama is “trying to sell the notion that this bill . . . is a magic elixir,” Limbaugh said.

“He’s the one screwing everybody,” he said. “He’s the one happily managing the decline of the United States of America.”

BOfH 10-06-2011 15:11

I'm sure Soros is in there somewhere as well, otherwise they probably wouldn't of lasted as long as they have so far, it takes some cash money to keep going like that. Ironic, since Soros is a member of "millionaire's to be taxed" crowd; I wonder what his 1040 looks like, I'm sure the libs aren't too concerned with the amount of loopholes he utilizes, as long as the dough keeps rolling in. :rolleyes:

Paslode 10-06-2011 15:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 417528)
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/R...0/06/id/413536

Rush Limbaugh contends that President Barack Obama is "setting up riots" through the Occupy Wall Street protests that are spreading across the country.

“There’s no doubt in my mind that the White House is behind this,” he said. “Obama is setting up riots. He is fanning the flames.”

The “anarchists” and “union thugs” who are rallying against corporate greed are Obama’s constituents, Limbaugh said.

“Occupy Wall Street is his base,” he said. “Those are his foot soldiers.”

Calling Obama’s news conference about the American Jobs Act this morning “incompetence on parade,” Limbaugh said the nearly $450 billion spending package has no chance of curing the economic ills.

“Somebody explain to me how spending $450 billion is going to get every bridge repaired, every school repaired, every road repaired,” he said. “This is utter foolishness.”

Obama is “trying to sell the notion that this bill . . . is a magic elixir,” Limbaugh said.

“He’s the one screwing everybody,” he said. “He’s the one happily managing the decline of the United States of America.”

I am not surprised considering O has encourage most if not all of the 2011 Worldwide protest. Van Jones and SEUI are in the middle of it. Even the likes of Rush hater Alex Jones believes that Obama and Dems are manipulating this.

From Solyndra to Fast & Furious the wheels are falling off the train, and the only way to maintain what they have achieved is to shut the system down.


Politico is reporting that Law makers are receiving death threats.


AND our very own Domestic Terrorist Bill Ayers has thrown in his support

GratefulCitizen 10-06-2011 17:33

I wish the best of luck to the protester's efforts in driving away all of those rich people and businesses.
I would also invite all those rich people and businesses to move to Arizona.

That's a win-win solution in my book. :D

Oldrotorhead 10-06-2011 19:38

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 407925)
I find that interesting in that in getting out and talking to some people I am surprised now and then.

I was talking to a local "conservative" about bus service. I was complaining about the cost of running bus service out to the newly annexed parts of the city. I was like "If people need bus service they should move and live near areas that have bus service". He was like "But Bus service is a basic city service" and I replied "What did they do for transportation before they were annexed?".

Services cost money ..............

I think everyone wants cuts - but just not in anything they use.

Just an opinion. If a city annexes area to increase it's tax base it is disingenuous not to offer the same services. Otherwise screw the city and the politicians. IMHO they are just pandering to their non-productive voters.

"Rush Limbaugh contends that President Barack Obama is "setting up riots" through the Occupy Wall Street protests that are spreading across the country."

I'm fairly close to retirement and these people are shitting pretty close to my rice bowl. I don't listen to Rush but I may start keeping a list.

mojaveman 10-06-2011 21:39

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 417575)
Call me delusional, but I think things would have to get REALLY bad, and even then, it would depend. The American people are generally a reasonable people, they aren't a bunch of people bent on overthrowing the government. You have to worry about a revolution if you have some fixed aristocracy at the top that is either abusing the people or just flat-out doesn't care about the plight of the people. America is a liberal democracy, with a government that is elected and accountable to the people. What would a revolution accomplish? We establish another liberal democracy? I don't think a revolution would appeal to reasonable people. The whole beauty of a liberal democracy is that if you don't like your government, you get to vote in new people every few years, thereby negating any need for a revolution.

The people who usually riot or call for revolution tend to be the ones with a major entitlement mindset, for example the protests in Greece where the people don't want to work more htan thirty hours a week and don't want to retire later than fifty years-old, and so forth. Such protesters are like the adult version of children. In poor areas filled with welfare recipients living off the dole, I could imagine similar protests or riots even, but not from the broader society.

In order for a real revolution to take place, things would have to get bad to the point that the country seemed to be becoming a literal failed state, was literally collapsing. But I do not think things will get that bad.

I won't call you delusional but maybe a bit young. All it took to set Los Angeles ablaze and for scores of people to lose their lives in '92 was a verdict that was read by a jury. I was working in LA during that era and remember the events well. Under the right circumstances civil unrest can come about very easily. Look at what's been happening in the Middle-East. It can all happen here too.

Box 10-06-2011 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 417575)
The people who usually riot or call for revolution tend to be the ones with a major entitlement mindset, for example the protests in Greece where the people don't want to work more htan thirty hours a week and don't want to retire later than fifty years-old, and so forth. Such protesters are like the adult version of children. In poor areas filled with welfare recipients living off the dole, I could imagine similar protests or riots even, but not from the broader society.

...kind of like the occupation of wall street?
...or Rosanne Barr calling for reeducation camps and beheadings for rich people that dont want to submit to the redistribution of their wealth?


We may need to redefine what "really bad" means so I know what to look out for since there are already headlines that read "Occupy Wall Street' Protests Turn Violent"

Nothing to see here...
...move along

Dusty 10-07-2011 05:52

These are loons that factored strongly in the 2008 election.

These protests are a good sign. They display panic.

Paslode 10-07-2011 06:35

BS2004,

We do have a portion of the Upper Tier that abuses the people and it doesn't give a good damn about the plight of the people. Their sole concern is profit and job security.

There is another portion of the Upper Tier who could make a difference, but won't intervene because it might hurt business.

If I am not mistaken the founders set up a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy or a Liberal Democracy for a reason. And I do believe part of that reason was that in a Democracy everyone has a say. Democracy is Mob mentality and the mob can vote itself anything and will eventually vote itself out of existence.

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The people who usually riot or call for revolution tend to be the ones with a major entitlement mindset
Really? I know you are joking.

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What would a revolution accomplish? We establish another liberal democracy? I don't think a revolution would appeal to reasonable people.
No? Countless reasonable people who thought they did it right have had their pensions and savings looted. They have been lied to, used and abused. The system has failed and continues to fail them. And looting continues as we speak.

Revolution, what better way to bring the crooks to justice in the minds of those that have been used and abused.......and there will be someone out there to feed that high for ulterior motives.

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In order for a real revolution to take place, things would have to get bad to the point that the country seemed to be becoming a literal failed state, was literally collapsing. But I do not think things will get that bad.
We are bankrupt, I would call that real bad, I would call that a failure......it is just that we have not admitted it.



Americans do tend to be reasonable people, and most of us are not bent on over throwing our government. And these days, those same reasonable people have a tendency to ignore loony-toon types and so-called fringe elements of society such as communists, etc. So much so that we allow loons like Ward Churchill, Piven, Van Jones and Bill Ayers to walk the earth and lead our children.

Why? We have jobs, We don't have time, It might hurt business...Bill Ayers, Oh he is JUST one person, he can't do any harm....so we ignore and leave for someone else to clean up.

Team Sergeant 10-07-2011 07:05

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 417598)
BS2004,

We do have a portion of the Upper Tier that abuses the people and it doesn't give a good damn about the plight of the people. Their sole concern is profit and job security.

There is another portion of the Upper Tier who could make a difference, but won't intervene because it might hurt business.

.

Chairman Mao would be proud.....

Dusty 10-07-2011 07:36

To the shelters! It's spread to Greensboro!
 
http://video.foxnews.com/v/120567379...orth-carolina/

Utah Bob 10-07-2011 08:49

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Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc (Post 408095)
He looks closer to post-menopausal....

Just sayin...:D

Aha! That would explain my mood swings.:eek:

ZonieDiver 10-07-2011 09:11

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 417605)

The dude in the burgundy tee shirt near the beginning looks like my brother-in-law! Greensboro is "Commie-Central!


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