possible poser?
 

I ran across this on another forum... http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=830714

"I grew up in the Catskill Mountains of New York, and served as an Officer of Marines and Special Forces team commander in most any environment you can think of."

this guys' web page... http://www.bushmonkeyknives.com/Index.html


thought you guys might be interested in another prospective hall of shame member...

Hope i have this posted in the appropriate area....


God Bless

Lee


***that's his quote not yours Lee, ss

Why do YOU think this guy is a poser??

Well, for one, his behavior over at BF doesn't doesn't seem in character with that of any QPs I've ever interacted with... and I strongly doubt that a QP looking to establish himself as a knife maker would go over to BF and act in such a manner towards established makers. Seems very odd to me. Check out that thread over there, and I think you'll agree.

"officer of marines"

Why not a officer in the USMC. This is worth looking into.

Old School?
 

Old School?

The bottom knive is old school

"Officer of Marines" is correct.

Here is a random Marine Corps Times article where the term is used....

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/clas...-mainbar-a.php

Spells like a Marine. :rolleyes:

Richard :munchin

Dammit:D

Anybody Know This CPT(R) Hero?
 

After doing some looking around, this guy's name is:

Jeffrey P Natterer

Claims to have been both a Marine Officer and SF Team commander, flight instructor, professional fire fighter, etc. Public records show his age at 52.


From his Bush Monkey Knives site:

"I grew up in the Catskill Mountains of New York, and served as an Officer of Marines and Special Forces team commander in most any environment you can think of. I have backpacked, hunted, fished, orienteered, adventure raced, kayaked, rock climbed and hiked from inside the Arctic Circle to the Bayous of Louisiana and from the White Mountains of New Hampshire to the High Deserts of Joshua Tree and Big Bend. I like going to places and doing things where the outcome is uncertain."



From http://captpost.wordpress.com/2010/0...y-dave-lieber/

"Before he became a Fort Worth firefighter, Jeff Natterer says, he jumped out of airplanes and led missions as a captain in the Green Berets. I see the world in black and white, says the man who also served nine years in the Marines. One Saturday in late January, Natterer, a short man with burning eyes that reflect his good-guy-versus-bad-guy outlook..."

"Jeff Natterer, now on inactive status with the military..."


From http://captpost.wordpress.com/2010/0...legram-582010/

His signature line on a letter to the editor is:

Jeffrey P. Natterer
Capt. US Army (R), Special Forces
Fort Worth, TX



Seems like he has inflated his resume a tad, but it wouldn't be that difficult to look his name up to see if he is a Q graduate to settle this.

My .02

http://captpost.files.wordpress.com/...212infidel.jpg :D:D:D

Big Teddy :munchin

OK I am with Big Teddy..:D:eek:

Well, he now has entered yet another environment where the outcome is very certain. Too funny, I swear you can't make this stuff up.

Here he is, in front of a USMC OCS sign. :munchin

Got a sneaky,, we may be dealing with another Mykie Hawkie...

out of curiosity, for actual guys who are proved to be posers, is there any sort of legal action which can be brought about? I'm guessing while they are in the military there is, but what if they are out?

I don't know much about recognizing posers. I do know that while he may be using the word "arcane" correctly (and I'm not convinced he is), it irritates me. It seems like he is really proud of himself for making it part way through the "A's" of his pocket dictionary.

There is a Jeffrey Natterer (CPT) in the AKO database (US Army Reserve), but he is Infantry, not SF. Only one in the datatbase with that name.

the As
 

Actually as an avid adage aficionado, an arcane anecdote about axes always amuses.

Ablue

Thanks.

bluebb, Well done.

Another asinine adage award, amazingly, awed all.

JJ....Top, nice to meet you...

there are a couple of things that caught my eye about this "knife maker"

1)..officer of Marines/SF team commander...not unheard of, but not an everyday thing

2)...his responses to the guys in the BF forum were not representative of the SF enlisted and officers i've had the honor and pleasure of working with

3)...claiming to be something he is not, however carefully worded, just riles something in me...being able to change sparks plugs doesn't make me a mechanic

4)...i dunno, i just had a feeling

If i am wrong about this individual, i will gladly apologize...both here and in the BF forum...i am not to proud to be the first to say i stepped on my crank...

I personnally hope i am wrong...

God Bless

Lee

Not me. I hope you're dead on. Nothing like watching the lather and froth rise over these guys. This place has been a little boring lately. :D

Lee,

Thanks for your reply. Fair observations..

This guy is not lacking in ego and has little or no SA (based on his inflated ego).

But we have had others with the same problem,, that were SF qualified..

Where is the FOIA req??

OR as this thread is open to the GOOGLE WORLD,, do we go DA and skip the UW route???

:munchin

"A" for awesome, amigos.

Top...

i posted this in the GenDis section with the word "possible" as a precursor...because i didn't know where else to ask the question...as this is open to google, i do realize the possiblities...and will take my licks if i've got them coming...

by the way, the pic of someone in front of the OCS sign is gone, or at least the link didn't work for me...second monday of the week for me


God Bless

r/s

Lee

BladeForums has a world wide membership something over 175,000, if memory serves, and they don't think very much of his attitude.
Neither do I from what he wrote.

More importantly...what do you think of his knives?

I'm usually pretty careful about talking of other makers work.

The guys and gals at BladeForums seem to think he's buying knife kits for some and putting the handles on. Seems like he so much as admitted it.

If one is representing that work as his own, it's not how I'd do it.

I appreciate your respect for another's workmanship/craftsmanship. I was more interested in what you thought of his finished product in terms of durability and use. I made a knife as a youngster with my dad out of a piece of a leafspring. In terms of being useful...I had a very sharp pry-bar that could be concealed amongst rusted metal. But considering neither of us had a true "clue" about what we were doing, the drill press, grinder, and various other tools gave us some good times together.

I second Dozer's montion.............;)

Big Teddy :munchin

Sounds like a good knife, and time well spent making it. Many knifes would wish they had such a beginning. So many are mass-produced, loosing the human element of influence, science, and in my case, mystery, (why did the metal just do that?). As for Mr. Harsey, metal just jumps out, and says, "Yes Sir, what would you like to me to do today?" An example of the masters touch.

Dozer is right, we need some excitement. Posting knife stories on a poser thread is really quite sad.

We all need help......

People do this sort of thing a lot. All the way to the White House. Posers are under the assumption that "special" means "they" are special. There is no "I" in team. Special Forces is what it is. Why people pretend they were SF is beyond me. Every job in the military is important and no job is glamorous. The military doesn't create meaningless jobs. It is not an entitlement program. With that said if people want to pose then let them. It's their own mental hang up and insecurity.

Speaking from a LEO perspective. There are just bigger fish to fry. As bad as posing is. There is a lot more going on thats way worse. LEA's just don't have the resources to go after everyone. They have to prioritize.

I can understand LEAs having to prioritize. However, people who pose need to be called out in public. They give a bad name to the community.

Thats what we do here. The reputation of the sight busting posers is well known.

Yeah, the best pressure is peer pressure for in the case of a poser, faux pressure. I don't think it is against the law unless they are really doing something stupid like dressing up and walking around an army post. I would keep in mind though that some people are not going to show up as SF in a strictly Army sense. USAF ROMADS apply for SF all the time. A few make it. I don't think too many Green Berets have even heard of a ROMAD but the career field as a whole worked hard since the Reagan Rapid Deployment days to make this happen. There are probably other off-shoots from sister service SOP that exist with an avenue to SF. I'm just saying somebody may not be a Green Beret but that doesn't mean he didn't pass all the training. Although this brings to mind a weird sight I once experienced. It was AGOS training in FL. The instructor was enlisted USAF NCO. He was known to have been an experienced fighter pilot in Vietnam, got passed over, ended up demoted to NCO TACP, and when I saw him a TACP instructor. He was actually wearing a Green Beret, was very proud, and seemed to know what he was talking about. I always thought it was a little strange; the Green Beret on a USAF enlisted airman in 1979.

This guy may have a background in USMC SOF. As for bladeforums? I wouldn't put too much stock in the quality of posts over there. It's a real cluster fuck of collectors, manufacturers, custom knife makers, and general dipshits. If their groupthink goes into gear and they feel threatened about a way a man makes a knife it goes straight to character assassination. Anyway, cross forum bashing is fun. :) I've jacked with "established members" at bladeforums. It's the equivalent of the Cartoon Network. Does that make me a bad person too?

yeah I wouldnt expect it to be a wise use of ones time, but at the same time I didnt know if there were actually steps which could be taken.

chris

Maybe he does have that background and maybe he doesn't. I can't say. I thought that's why we were discussing it in this thread. His website says he "served as an Officer of Marines and Special Forces team commander." Wouldn't a Marine say he was MARSOC or SOF, not Special Forces?

I didn't say established members, I said established makers. Meaning fellow knife makers - members of his peer group. I'm not getting the vibe that anybody is threatened by the dude's fabrication process.

Regardless of what your feelings might be about BF, have you gone over there and read that thread?

Culpeper, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and you are passing opinion for fact. Not only are you nearly 30 years out of touch, you are not Special Forces qualified. Do not warn those in a QP forum how other sister services may or may not view "SF". You clearly do not understand your audience here. Stop muddying the waters.

Do not expect a pat on the back for "jacking" with other boards and then looking for encouragement here. I personally find it disrespectful, rude, and completely unprofessional. You are a guest in this house, act appropriately. For all I know, you are posting on others forums how you "jack" with the QP's at PS.com.

Now, getting back on topic: The truth of the central issue is not too difficult to discover, and I am sure those with the desire and time to follow this through are doing just that. Unless you are a part of that process you really have no business discussing it.