Rise of Islam in France
 

Interesting, from CBN News in Paris. This four minute video is not likely to be seen in mainstream news.

http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplay....swf?aid=17933

Excellent video,when are we going to learn?............:rolleyes:

Big Teddy :munchin

Excellent!
 

When will we wake up!
It may be to late for Europe I don't know if they can push back the creeping in of their 12th century beliefs.

Interesting that the commentator/reporter also noted that praying in large crowds and blocking streets in doing so, though ignored by the French govt for Muslims, wouldn't be allowed for Christians...

So afraid to offend Islam, the rest of the world is, that we now cant see offending them is the least of our worries.

I found it interesting that the video showed many muslims from Africa (the new playground) and the muslim women walking along the streets without a male escort. Islam lite?

I wonder why "they" are hiring?

France's spy service bulks up amid terror threats
By JAMEY KEATEN, Associated Press Jamey Keaten, Associated Press – Tue Dec 28, 8:33 am ET

PARIS – There's no French James Bond. But a new push may set the stage for one.

France's secretive international spy agency, the DGSE, is recruiting hundreds of people and getting a budget boost, despite frugal times, to better fend off threats like terrorism and nuclear proliferation. France's answer to the CIA is buffing its image as well, with its first-ever spokesman and a new website.

The move follows hostage-takings abroad, bomb scares at the Eiffel Tower and fallout from WikiLeaks' publication of secret U.S. diplomatic cables. France is also set to ban face-covering Islamic veils, which has roiled Muslim extremists around the world and drawn threats from Al-Qaida.

The DGSE changes have been long in coming, part of France's efforts to beef up its network of intelligence operatives as called for in a top-to-bottom security review completed in 2008.

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One of the DGSE's main roles now is to help find and free French hostages abroad. Two French TV reporters are being held in Afghanistan, five nuclear company workers in Niger are believed to have been taken by al-Qaida's north Africa affiliate to neighboring Mali, and one of DGSE's own is being held in Somalia — after a fellow agent escaped last year.

Keep on slow boiling that frog (no pun intended) Europe. I fear that the scenario for 2048 in the book mentioned in the report, will arrive a lot sooner in France and other countries.

WTH is going on in this world? Wake up sheeple! They want to destroy the very social structure that gives them the "freedom" to do this. They are not grateful and appreciative of the freedom granted to worship their conscience. Islam's stated purpose is to destroy the Judeo-Christian social and legal structure that took 2000 years of struggle to create. Islam at its core wants to tear it all down. "Progressive Liberals" will stand idly by and let it happen all in the name of tolerance. They will use our tolerance as a sword to run us through and laugh at our ignorance once we are too weak to do anything about it.

The Islamic French Republic
The Islamic Republic of Germany
The United Islamic Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
The Islamic Kingdom of Spain
etc., etc., etc.

I fear that those are a lot closer than 2048. Kudos to the man who filmed this, and tries to bring it to the world's attention. Can you imagine someone's life being threatened for filming the St. Patty's Day parade in Boston? That's a very close analogy here.

Well this is the first thing to get my blood boiling in 2011. Has anyone read The mosque Our Lady of Paris: Year 2048

I'm not sure if it's PC that's prevents the French government from taking some kind of action. I believe they know any kind of action will escalate towards violence so fast that they can't get their minds around what they will be left with in the aftermath.

Maybe this next big anti-Islam rally in Paris will force their hand.

At this point it could be just a matter of time for some of the European countries because the seeds were actually planted decades ago.

When the Muslims attempt to start street prayer in East Germany I want to watch the video. :D

Everything is not as it seems. This appears to be nothing more than anti-Islamic propaganda.

Most European countries could turn this around if they had the will. In the short term I think they are out gunned by the Muslims, and it would be ugly. My question is do we as a Nation have the will to push this back? We aren't out gunned yet.

How will Europe remove the Muslim problem?

TR

It won't. Period. They'll come to an understanding of the problem, but it will be too late. Also, with the Islamic birthrate at somewhere between 2.5 - 3 per adult woman and the European birthrate is as low as 1.3, they're simply going to overtake native Europeans. It takes a birthrate of 2.1 just to replace the population. Native Europeans are going to become extinct.

With no immigration and with current birthrates in most western European countries the rate that they are their populations would actually dissapear in something like 100 years. They have to allow immigration to their countries just to maintain their workforce.

They're cutting their own throats. :(

That's a key statement, right there; one soon to be applicable, as well, to our own burgeoning dilemma here, if the same invasion isn't halted.

I'm seeing promising signs that normally "sleepy" Americans (in the political and socio-economic sense) are waking up because of the reporting done on Islamic intrusion by other than the mainline journos regarding France and Europe in general.

Merkel's recent statement that "multiculturalism is a failure" (paraphrased) thankfully was an eye-opener even to the myriad ostriches in this Country who generally just want to be left alone about anything other than the rent and eggs right now.

The irony is that with the current Administration, it appeared we were being steered toward a system not unlike those of France, England and Germany-the same Countries who face the rock of Islam and the hard place of helplessness to stop the intrusion of the Muslims who bring with them a cruelly distorted way of life and the determination to convert others to their religion or kill them.

Interesting Times
 

IMHO this is a powder keg for two reasons. The first is a lack of assimilation, if these Muslim kids are kept segregated from the public school system they will never become Frenchmen. The second is France is not a nation of immigrants, IMHO history and tradition in this part of the world contradict the prevalent delusion Europeans are more sophisticated, tolerant, and pacifistic than the New World. When you add the xenophobia that generally accompanies economic crisis, cynicism regarding the future doesn't seem as much of a stretch.

Anti-Islamic propaganda? I'm curious how you arrived at this conclusion. I read the excerpt from the book on the link you provided, but it did not strike me as propaganda. It's important to note, I have zero knowledge of the Bosnia / Serbian situation so I may have missed something. What specifically lead you to the above opinion?

Sad but true.

The best litmus test of the state of things: Draw a cartoon of Jesus Christ that is mildly offensive to Christians. Draw a cartoon of the Mohammed the Prophet that is offensive to Muslims. Publish them both to a worldwide audience. See which one gets your life threatened first.

Our freedom and way of life is offensive to them. They want to destroy it.

(Edit) - I need to clarify. When I say "they," I mean radical Islamists.

I enjoyed working alongside Muslims for many years. They came to the US for the freedom it offered. One to escape the radical Islamists who took over his country, and the other to provide a safer life for his family than the war ravaged A-stan of Soviet occupation era. They had several things in common. They wanted to be American. They wanted freedom. They wanted the same freedoms for those of other beliefs. They wanted to live by the law of the land. Unfortunately, because of these beliefs, their lives would be in danger in the lands of their birth.

Spain did something in 1478 that might be a useful lesson for today, ran into it when I was reading some history, called the Inquisition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

I think France should do it like this, become French, assimilate, or leave, minus all the crazy torture stuff of course. Sounds simple, I'm sure its more complicated, but just a thought. That video of the Muslims praying in the street is just a ridiculous double standard and should not be allowed to happen. Whats the French Gov. saying to its people?

Then they should man up, pick up a gun, and change things back home, the same way we did here, twice.

TR

Sorry Dennis; I should have clarified my statement.

The overall tones of that chapter (Slobodan) were seemingly all focused on negative aspects of the spread of Islam to the Balkans.

(COMMENT: really?)

(COMMENT: OSS and British Commandos actually sent "advisors" to work by, with, and through Mikhalovich's Chetniks.)

(COMMENT: total BS and all one-sided. The Kosovo "war" was basically the West's attempt to right the wrong of Bosnia (e.g. the arms embargo, UNPROFOR's inability to protect, etc.).)

The original Russian is pretty slanted too but that's to be expected.

I'm not pro-Islam however, just imagine how things would have been different if the US intervened on Bosnia's behalf...like we did with Croatia...so they could mount a decent defense and allow for self-determination. What about Chechnya? Would we win over any Muslim allies if we supported the Chechen independence movement?

Undermanned and outgunned nations seeking freedom simply want anyone to come to their aid (which Nations supported the Colonies?). Bosnians, Kosovars, Albanians, and Chechens (Northern Caucasians in general) were previously very moderate. The majority drank, smoked, listened to music, etc.

I believe the Iranians and the Saudis were in Bosnia early on because "we" weren't. I think the same is true for Chechnya.

AQ has people who can infiltrate the US without raising suspicion. Imagine if we could do the same to them.

Back to the topic though. I believe that Muslims are in France because life sucks in their native lands (North and Sub-Saharan Africa, Middle East, etc) and France's left is allowing the Islamic takeover. IMO, a foreigner must assimilate or go back home...or they should be considered an invader.

I agree: Why do I have to push 1 for English?!?

RE: Post #18

YGBSM! :eek:

RE: Assimilation - now there's a rucksack full of wishful thinking and an ages olde issue influencing all sides of the problem.

Richard

Thanks for beating me to the punch. The Inquisition has about as much to recommend it as Sharia does. Personally, I have serious issues with ANYONE who wants to influence me at sword's point.

Me, too...as well as with any other point that invokes the use of fire, hell, fear, my XXX is the true XXX, apostasy, eternal damnation, etc, et al, und so weiter...

However, that's MOO - and so it goes...

Richard :munchin

Ya dont say... :D

TR,

People who escaped from that place do not look upon military service as something to aspire to. They see it as a way for more conflict and as a result would much rather pursue professional careers here in the US where they can make money and live relatively peacefully. My sources are people that are my age that come from Iran, India, and Malaysia. Their parents would have a fucking heart attack if their children would go to a recruiters office. Granted there are exceptions, but you don't really see a mass push amongst those communities.

Agreed. Inquisition, round-em-up-and-send-em-back, etc., etc. is no answer, and just plain silly.

I don't know the answer to TR's original question. I just know that freedom of religion should does not include the allowance of "You must believe in my XXX, or you will go to hell. As a matter of fact, why don't I send you there right now with my sword..."

Also, agreed. How do you influence that?

And my point is - if they're not willing to work to change their own communities in their home countries where do they get off thinking they have a right to force change on ours? (And why are the sheeple here so short-sighted as to let them?)

So fighting and dying for freedom is something they want, but do not care to pay a price for.

Yeah, that is just what we need coming to America....:rolleyes:

Where is compulsory service when you need it?

TR

I have to clarify something though. Their views are not extremist, they want to escape the conflict and they don't seek to change US culture. They don't hate US but they would not serve in the Armed Forces in any country. They want to make money and not get hurt. Their attitude is not exclusive though to immigrants coming in and it is very common across the US in general regardless of ethnic background.

Why don't they make money at home?

Why should we welcome them here, so that they can profit from the freedoms we have fought and died for?

Have you noticed how many second generation Islamic immigrants have gone back to fundamentalism and want to destroy this country?

TR

TR,

The students I've interacted never talked about fundamentalism, hell it never even was brought up in the conversation. They work hard and play hard ( drink beer and etc ). You are correct that some don't like this type of culture but that doesn't mean everyone coming in is going to advocating change through murdering people. The people coming already have an agenda as opposed to the people I've interacted. I mean lets face it, is everyone cut out for an Army lifestyle?

As far as making money at home, some actually do go home but most stay here because the pay is better. Again, your interaction may have been with individuals that are waaay different. I bet that the "refugees" in France didn't really care about becoming Frenchmen/women, but I bet they lacked education in understanding what the clerics were saying to them was actually bullshit. They gave them their naive trust to the religious figure to tell them how to be.

They should've gone to Switzerland then.

Wiseman,

Maybe I am reading more into this than there is, but it appears you are 'OKAY' with ZIP the Dirt Herder making his way to this country, getting more benefits than a natural born citizen and then shirking their responsibility to serve....while we send our loved ones over to his country to clean up the shit hole he left because he has no balls to do it himself.

I mean I don't hear any anger in your tone.

RE: Post #33

YGBSM!

Richard

Paslode,

As far as I know, they don't have any additional benefits being given to them. They have more incentive to find jobs otherwise they are sent back home. The individuals mentioned in passing are all on student Visas and have a certain time limit to find a job after which they get a work Visa. Then they must work for a long time to get a green card and etc. There were individuals who were sent back home because they couldn't find a job. They are also at a disadvantage when they apply for jobs since most employers do not want to sponsor a work Visa. There are many Indian engineering grad student that come in and get electrical engineering master degrees. Most engineering companies won't hire them because of the lack of citizenship. One tried to work as a GS civilian in the Army but a got long letter saying he needed to be a citizen. They can't really go through any ROTC program since requirements for commissioning need one to be a citizen. If they try to go through the enlisted route they will again be limited and I think the program allowing for a green card in exchange for service is not there anymore.

For those individuals that think they are getting grants from the Federal Government, that is bullshit, most take out private loans or are sponsored by their families working hard back in India.

A key problem:
A key reason:
IMHO, a possible solution:

So essentially, before they enter the Armed Forces in general, they would need to at least have a green card. By the time that happens, they are employed and making money. What would be the motivation for them to leave their jobs and pursue either officer or enlisted opportunities? If you say that oh well we gave you an education, they will respond with well I studied hard to get in here and I took out loans and that I got no help from the federal or even state government since I was not eligible for those things in the 1st place.

Misunderstanding there, I didn't mean it like that, forcing anyone by the sword and all. What I mean is, if they dont want to be French, they need to go someplace else. I didn't say burn them or make them catholic. I know its kind of a bad example, but Spain kicked out its unwanted groups that threatened power of the throne, today it wouldnt go quite that way.

And why is assimilation wishful thinking? America is proof its very possible.

Assimilation is not equal throughout the continental US. You have communities that are not that really that open. You can see women in burqas in West Philly while their husband is wearing shorts and chilling. Some don't even attempt to communicate in English when buying groceries. It all depends on the way your family has raised you. If your parents had education or they have the desire to make sure you get one, you will do the right thing. You will attempt to learn the language and not resist.