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obama Czars
Seems I'm not alone in my thinking. This is not the same country it was just a few months ago. I believe a storm is brewing. I am wondering what will be the tipping point.
Team Sergeant Obama's Czars; What are they and how much power do they wield? July 17, 2009 Kelly Chernenkoff Contributing Editor Merriam Webster online defines a 'czar' as "the ruler of Russia until the 1917 revolution." But it's the dictionary's alternate definition, "one having great power or authority", that has ruffled many a feather lately. While the term 'czar' is unofficial, the prevalence of such executive posts in President Obama's administration has gotten noticed. The administration has nearly three dozen czars. While some of those jobs are actually mandated by congress, others are entirely new creations of Mr. Obama. Although analysts note it's not likely all of the czars get face time with the commander-in-chief-- only ten actually report directly to the president-- they say the executive branch does have the feeling of top-heaviness. "When you start adding in of course all the cabinet secretaries, you add in all these different czars, you add in chiefs of staff, you add in communication directors, press secretaries and so forth, I think the number probably is getting closer to a hundred," says management expert and Leadership Professor at The George Washington University, James Bailey. It's not just the size of the czar fleet that has irked members of congress, it's the concern over being taken out of equation. Maine Senator Susan Collins lamented the potential demise of the president's promise of transparency, "By creating these czars that are insulated from accountability, whose work is not transparent, he's moving in exactly opposite direction." Others see their concerns through a political sphere; when a majority party has more platforms with which to wield its authority, the concerns of the minority are relegated, they say. But even some in the country's majority party find fault. Democratic Senator Robert Byrd expressed his frustration over the czar issue in a letter to the President Obama, writing, "the rapid and easy accumulation of power by White House staff can threaten the Constitutional system of checks and balances." The term czar, by the way, is one rarely uttered by Mr. Obama or his aides, unless they are trying to correct its use. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs has been known to alter the terminology, "If there's a marketing czar, I've failed to get his or her memo." However it started, the term czar seems to have stuck; at least, inside the Washington beltway. What exactly does a czar do, though? Bailey describes the job this way, "A czar supposedly would have accountability for something. That is, they are charged with delivering something specific." Presidential scholar Kathryn Dunn Tenpas says, "I think most of their power derives from their relationship with the president. And that's largely because czars are really sort of a creation of presidents and their personal predilections and their desire to sort of show that they care about an issue." In some instances, czars bypass Senate confirmation. Georgia Congressman Jack Kingston spells out the dangers he sees in this equation, "It's almost like the president is building a parallel government, one that's in the constitution and then one that is outside of the constitution and the authority of congress."Additionally, some say the responsibilities the president gave his czars might have been duties filled by cabinet secretaries in past administrations. One way to be a successful czar, experts note, is to have accountability, a specific mission, and a set amount of time in which to accomplish it.Former auto czar Steve Rattner, otherwise known as the top advisor on the auto industry's bailout, got GM and Chrysler in and out of bankruptcy in record time. Some of the more established czar positions are the drug czar, the science czar and the domestic violence czar. More recently, Mr. Obama added an auto czar to the mix and even an urban affairs czar, much to the chagrin of rural community advocates. Perhaps its just a semantics issue that gets some people so riled up. The czar term seems to carry with it a negative connotation in Washington. Ironically, the man at the center of the czar battle himself was caught using the term, if somewhat reluctantly. In announcing the presence at a recent event of Office of National Drug Control Policy Director R. Gil Kerlikowske, President Obama hesitated, "...as well as our new director of our office of-- I always forget the full name of this thing. I call it the Drug Czar."So, perhaps it's just easier to say certain titles. Presidential scholar Martha Joynt Kumar tells us about "the case of an official who's called the border czar, now border czar, that has 10 letters, but he really is 'assistant secretary for international affairs and special representative for border affairs.' that's 81 letters." http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/07/17/2105/ |
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(Sir, please understand this is just an old timers opinion. This is just conjecture; there's no inside track.) IMHO, the storm brewing is not going to be a voters rebellion, or anything happily cathartic. Rather it will come in the form of a battle btwn the Democratic Party in DC and the machine in Chicago. Obama is not going to be able to deliver in the FDR style he was packaged. His approval rating is already falling, and his propensity to bask in the spotlights is getting on people's nerves. The weenies in DC eat their young when positions are hard to defend (esp in the upcoming 2010 election year), and Obama is like creme bulee on the diet buffet. The California Democrats will be at the head of the chowline. Expect to see the Chicago Party creating several diversionary moves attacking blue-dog Democrats and any Republican they can spot IOT shift attention away from their winged and limping Obama. Watch for bills and ammendments of a very controversial nature, ACORN demonstrations, hate crime scenarios, etc. Doubt any of this will work, but timing is critical. Anyway, this is all just INMO. v/r, LarryW |
Arthur Laffer of Laffer Curve fame is a happy warrior in the vane of Jack Kemp. He seems to feel that the pendulum will swing back to more moderate governance. I am, however, in fear that your "Tipping Point" reference may be more likely.
I try to associate myself with people of strength to help me maintain the courage to prevail. This forum seems to be one of those communities. |
It would appear the administration is becoming very heavy in the Chief department. I don't see many Indians however. I'm not sure who coined the Czar title several years ago but it definitely has a negative connotation. The lack of accountability and shadow work that's being done by these honchos should be getting much more scrutiny. But Congress is only concerned with CIA black ops instead.
I don't think we'll see a critical tipping point. I think what we will see is Obama's numbers slipping steadily in polls until his own party begins to render him ineffective in a lot of areas as moderates begin to take over. Just a matter of how much damage is going to be done as he flits around the country and globe on his never ending speechifying campaign trail. |
30 plus Czars within 6 months and counting
Great point! Glenn Beck on Fox News just did a great piece on this subject. 30 plus Czars to far. They have gotten down right silly. Hate Crimes Czar to provide extra protections for transvestites? Liberals screamed at the notion that the serviceman of the military should be added to the lists of those granted special protections. I've seen more serviceman and women being attacked and killed then transvestities.
Curious to know what the average salary for these bed-wetters are. My guess is between $3 to $5 million, plus expenses. Obama is naming Czars just so he can say he is taking every distorted liberal anthem and issue seriously. Waiting for the "Media Czar" to make sure talk radio gives adequate time for liberal viewpoints, despite the fact liberal talk show hosts can't make a living at it. Maybe a "Assault Weapons Czar" and a "Tipping Czar" to make sure minority waiters get tipped the same as Whites. We are truly in uncharted territory these days I'm starting to think Columbus didn't have anything on us. God help us. How did we get so many stupid people in this country. Just how many drugs did they take in the 60s that has tainted the gene pool. I know, I know! It is the public schools brainwashing these folks at an earlier age these days. |
Thugocracy...
Rule of a country or state by a group of thugs. Stay safe. |
They were talking about this on Fox & Friends a few weeks ago. What caught my attention was the person they were interviewing stated that some of these CZAR positions and their staff parallel existing government departments.
A couple note worthy comments from members on another thread. http://professionalsoldiers.com/foru...ad.php?t=24026 Quote:
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It may all be business as usual. But then again if things continue to get worse and the Messiah master plans continue to get tied up, States continue to push Sovereignty Issues, he could one day decide that our Government as it exists is too dysfunctional to work within. At which time he puts into action his very own Operation Hummingbird and in essence locks the doors to both houses and various departments and opens up his hand picked Government run by the CZARS.....my imagination running wild;) Or he could do it like businesses do with key personel and departments they wish to rid themselves of, which is to absorb those responsibilites into other areas until there is no need for duties and the job is disolved.....your death by a thousand cuts. We have seen it throughout history.....All it takes is a intelligent and crismatic person and a flock of sheep waiting to be saved. Tinfoil...I hope, but stranger things have happened and I tend to believe in never say never. |
When under pressure - we tend to defer to those things which we know best and which gave us the greatest success in the past. To me, this neo-czarist movement in the current Off-white House has a direct correlation to the Chicago-style community organizing political tuteledge under which the current POTUS learned his trade - and which so conveniently allows him to use the argument of how much he's consulted on an issue with the 'best and brightest' and the 'logical consensus' is, therfore, what he's decided.
A basic law of nature in the fen of politics is that political polecats like Obee cannot change their stripes - no matter how much MSM white wash is used to try and convince us otherwise. :mad: Richard's $.02 :munchin |
The czars are cut-outs and lightning rods.
They can front outrageous policies, create rules and regulations without Congressional approval, and if the public reacts negatively, can be fired and replaced without the splashback on the POTUS, or the Congress. If the POTUS provides top-cover via executive privilege or presidential pardon, and Congress does not object, they can pretty much get away with whatever they wish. TR |
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Obee is a demonstrated fan of throwing folks under the bus, none are immune. Each czar is a speed bump for the busses that will likely come after Obee himself, IMMHO. RF 1 |
Speaking of Czars
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/col.../108218-czar-0
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Glenn Beck raised a good point last week. Obama has so inundated the news much so much on every liberal front and issue that it has become impossible to report on each of them each day. They can only pick about 6 or so of the most outrageous things they are doing each day. I hope the old adage comes true, that when you try to fix everything, you don't really fix anything. |
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If it's true, then congressmen and the senators are being underpaid, a problem they will remedy immediately, before any breaks, holidays, etc. They will not let minor issues like unemployment and a woeful economy stand in the way of doing what is right! Maybe we need a czar to quantify the amount by which our government leaders are underpaid. We can call him or her the Wonderland czar. The debate and analysis on the size of the warrented raises( and grandfathered back pay) will be so transparent, we will not even be able to see it. Even though it's not related to the above, I cannot let another day pass without the following observation : Obama throws like a friggin girl(apologies to all girls on this board). |
More Executive Authority, overriding constitution
All documents/articles are linked below. Only most relevant quotes are shown here. There are several issues at play, but I feel that the most important is the neglect of the distribution of power.
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http://www.aseansec.org/1217.htm ASEAN member countries: Brunei Darussalam Cambodia Indonesia Laos Malaysia Myanmar Philippines Singapore Thailand Vietnam source here I really hope I just misinterpreted something here, because it looks to me like the US is about to sign an agreement saying we can't use "interference, subversion, or coercion" towards repressive regimes in the region (particularly Burma), or "the threat or use of force" against any of the ASEAN member countries should an international incident arise. All without congressional approval. Riding on the wave of "Executive Authority". -out |
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And the article doesn't say whether or not the administration conferred with representatives of Congress, or mention that Congress can choose to not ratify any treaty if they so desire - which is what happened to President Wilson and the League of Nations. IMO, the overriding idea is not so clear from what's been reported and may be a bit of a reach at this point in the process. YMMV ;) Richard's $.02 :munchin |
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Just now seeing Obama answering questions after speech. Did anyone see Obama take issue with the Harvard college professor getting arrested in Cambridge at the end of the Q & A? He took issue with why the professor got arrested after it was clear he was in fact the owner. Amazing he didn't mention the fact the idiot was running his mouth to an officer. Typical liberal point of view! All emotion while avoiding the facts. |
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Whack-a-Czar
In a letter to the President, Senator Susan Collins, Ranking Member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, questions the number of "czars" within the Executive Office. In the letter, Senator Collins expresses concern that the growing number of czars may be undermining the constitutional oversight responsibilities of Congress. The letter was also signed by Senators Lamar Alexander (R-TN), Kit Bond (R-MO), Mike Crapo (R-ID), Pat Roberts (R-KS) and Bob Bennett (R-UT).
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Congress funds the White House - don't pay for them. :mad:
And so it goes...;) Richard's $.02 :munchin |
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What I see is a very top heavy White House with cabinet members,czars, special assistants to this or that, not to mention all those employed by Mrs Obama. Now the real question is how many of these people are in on the policy and actual decision making process? The press secretary Gibbs has a history of extreme loyalty to who employs him. He has more then a few times stated when asked a question- "I have not read that and will have to seek legal advice/counsel." Perhaps things are finally being examined and real questions are finally being asked by the media? It is a shame the media did little prior to the election to vet one candidate. That is my .02. |
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May I add a little trivia?- (UNCLAS) During OJC in '89 two FBI agents were attached and accompanied the JSOTF. The sealed indictments out of the Southern and Middle Districts of FL had been in place for quite some time (between the two of them, about 22 months). It's been nearly 20 years but this is what I remember: On Dec 24th General Noriega who was under indictment made his way into the Papal Nuncituria. By Dec 25th Wm Bennett, we were then referring to as the "drug czar" made the call that DEA would be shown in the lead. That decision came down to the JSOTF thru command. It was then that S/A Rene de la Cova of the DEA entered the picture (literally) and the FBI showed themselves to be a real class act. They continued to provide support from the background and remained perfect gentlemen. Meanwhile de la Cova is seen in the pictures on the ramp of the MC-130 on 7 Jan 1990 as "Tony" prepares for his trip to Florida. USMS SOG actually did the heavy work. Here's the deal on de la Cova http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5583,2801707 Here's the citation to the drug czar http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031103567.html William J. Bennett, who became the nation's first drug czar during the George H.W. Bush administration, said he spent three weeks in a room with Biden, then chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, hashing out the scope of the new job. v/r phil |
Drug Czar - OJC
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...teen-sex-case/
Obama's 'Safe Schools' Czar Admits He Poorly Handled Underage Sex Case By Maxim Lott Wednesday, September 30, 2009 President Obama's "safe schools czar," under fire from critics who say he's unfit for his job, acknowledged Wednesday that he "should have handled [the] situation differently" years ago when he was a schoolteacher and didn't report that a 15-year-old boy told him that he was having sex with an older man. Kevin Jennings, the founder of the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network, was teaching high school in Concord, Mass., in 1988 when the boy, a sophomore, confessed an involvement with a man he had met in a bus station bathroom in Boston. Jennings has written that he told the boy, "I hope you knew to use a condom." In a statement issued Wednesday, Jennings said: "Twenty one years later I can see how I should have handled this situation differently. I should have asked for more information and consulted legal or medical authorities." Jennings, director of the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools, said he believes his office can now help keep other new teachers from making the same mistake.... Jennings was appointed to his job because of his longtime record of working to end bullying and discrimination in schools. But his critics say he is not qualified for the job, saying he has advocated promoting homosexuality in schools, written about his past drug abuse and expressed contempt for religion.... |
Yeah, another fox guarding the hen house. :mad:
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Again I'm all for going full bore and both barrels against dirtbags, but if we get caught up going after everyone with any mistake in their past I think we weaken at least the appearance of our convictions and it makes us all (conservatives) look like we're just out to burn everyone to the ground. Just something to think about. Just my .02 as I know I've made more than my fair share of errors of enthusiasm. |
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He reminds me of the creepy uncle type, which would be bad enough in your kids' school, much less in an appointed position to be making policy. If you look up scumbag (also see pervert) in the dictionary, I suspect that Jennings' picture is there. Probably a NAMBLA member to boot. TR |
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You’d think a couple of the ones picks wouldn’t have skeletons in their closets just on probability alone, I mean at least a few should be relatively clean, then again I guess he did come from Chicago. |
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It was a student (underage) having sex with an older man. I am pretty sure that it was unlawful 20 years ago. The lack of appropriate action (reporting the crime) on the part of this POS in criminal in itself... Crip |
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In both cases the thinking was wrong without a doubt and that becomes much clearer with age and wisdom, and even more so in the teachers situation as he's a in a position of authority and should have sought help in handling the situation and in going after those who were taking advantage of the kid, but I wasn't ready to crucify him for that one mistake again because what I had read about the situation led me to believe as I said before he made a mistake while trying to help although a very stupid one in hindsight. |
Bottom line up front...from a Miltary POV
An individual went to a person in authority and described a situation that was 1. unlawful by the State Statuates as to adult/child sex. The person in authority makes a decision to UNDERWRITE the activity of the perpetrator by advising the individual to 'use condoms' due to HIV issues. In the eyes of the young man he has now shared/confessed his issue and found that in the eyes of an authority figure it is OK now. The Czar in question has only been troubled by this because it's recently been discovered. If you underwrite illegal activity when in authority then you have made a decision to be a part of that activity. |
I'd like to think something will come of this. Once again the "transparency" of this administration is at question...having chosen not to send a representative to the hearing. Why, I'm shocked. :rolleyes:
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2009/octo...hallenge.shtml Sen. Feingold questions use of administration 'czars' By LARRY MARGASAK Associated Press October 7, 2009 WASHINGTON (AP) -- A liberal Democratic senator questioned the roles of Obama administration policy "czars" Tuesday, but the White House denied it is using these officials to evade congressional scrutiny. Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., said Congress needs to know whether some of the czars make policy but have no obligation to submit to congressional questioning. While the Obama administration is hardly the first to name high-level advisers to handle issues like health care and climate change, Feingold said, "It's not good enough to simply say, 'Well, George Bush did it too.'" Prior to a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing that featured academic experts, Feingold released a letter from White House counsel Gregory Craig that defended the officials. Craig said some presidents have used such special advisers, or czars, to undermine Congress, but "that is simply not the case in the current administration." Feingold also was critical of the administration for declining to send a witness to the hearing. "The White House decided not to accept my invitation ... to explain its position on the constitutional issues we will address today," Feingold said, referring to the Senate's role in confirming top officials. "That's unfortunate. It's also a bit ironic since one of the concerns that has been raised about these officials is that they will thwart congressional oversight of the executive branch." Craig's letter broke down the roles of 18 officials questioned by members of Congress. Eight are in federal agencies whose employees testify regularly before Congress. This group includes Richard Holbrooke, the Afghanistan czar and Ron Bloom, the car czar. Four more are in the National Security Council, individuals who have no independent authority and whose sole function is to advise the president. Another four are in the president's and vice president's offices and function as senior White House advisers on health, energy and environment, urban affairs and domestic violence. They are Lynn Rosenthal, domestic violence; Carol Browner, energy and environment; Adolfo Carrion Jr., urban affairs and Nancy-Ann DeParle, health. Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., said the administration has created doubt about its promise of transparency. However, neither Coburn nor Feingold would criticize any specific official. It's not even clear what constitutes a czar. "'Czar' is not an official government title of anybody; it is a vernacular of executive branch public administration," said Bradley Patterson, a hearing witness who has served on the White House staff under Republican presidents Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. "It is a label now used loosely hereabouts, especially by the media," Patterson said. Copyright 2009 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |
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