Jordanian Kills Sister in Honor Killing
 

Police: Jordanian Man Stabs Sister to Death in 'Honor Killing'

Thursday , July 09, 2009

AP

AMMAN, Jordan —
A Jordanian man stabbed his sister to death with a dagger in an "honor killing" because of rumors she was dating a man, a police official said Thursday.

The 24-year-old farmer, who turned himself in and confessed to the killing, was charged with murder, the official said.

An autopsy showed the victim, who was 27 years old, was four weeks pregnant, he said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to journalists.

The man said in his confession that he killed his sister because he heard rumors she was dating a man, the official said.

In some conservative areas of Jordan and elsewhere in the Middle East, people disapprove of an unwed woman having any relationship with an unrelated man and consider it to reflect negatively on her family.

An average of 20 Jordanian women are killed annually in slayings that are known as honor killings because the perpetrators say they believe their actions will restore their family's community standing.

The government has battled the problem with harsher sentences for perpetrators.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531124,00.html

20 women a year? Who are they trying to kid. I bet the real number is a lot higher then 20. What a dirtbag. If he went after the guy, then maybe I would have the slightest bit of respect for him, but to stab his sister. Frigging shitfingers!

desensitized
 

meh...
Muslim honor killing? Really... I didnt see that coming.
Its tragic that the poor woman was born to such a loving family.
...and some how America is "arrogant" for assuming that we can make the world a better place. Bring back the caliphate!
I reckon the "infidels" should just mind our own business. Move along infidels nothing to see here.....


Godspeed, RIP ma'am and mercy upon you and your unborn child.

What a beautiful and peaceful religion. :rolleyes:

Religion had absolutely nothing to do with this. And true Islam does not condone this sort of thing. You should know better than that.

???
 

If Islam is so against it why are the courts in Islamic parts of the world so tolerant of Honor killings?

You can get more time for killing a dog in the US then you would for killing your sister in Jordan.

It depends on where you are on the map, brother. While your statement might hold true in an Arab country like Jordan, the same can't necessarily be said about Muslims in Ethiopia, who have been living in harmony with Christians for hundreds of years. It has everything to do with the Arab culture, which has greatly contributed to the distorting of a religion that is not much different than Christianity.

Arab culture
 

So you say it is the Arab Culture and not Islam?

So there are no "Honor Killings" or stuff like that in Indonesia?

Or are the peoples of Indonesia Arabs?

More news on the Peaceful religion of Islam

"Nigerian troops attack Islamist mosque, kill 100"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090730/...geria_violence

"......Militants seeking to impose Islamic Shariah law throughout this multi-religious country attacked police stations, churches, prisons and government buildings in a wave of violence that began Sunday in Borno state and quickly spread to three other states in mainly Muslim northern Nigeria.

It is not known how many scores of people have been killed, wounded and arrested. Relief official Apollus Jediel said Wednesday that at least 4,000 people have been displaced by the fighting......"

Pakistanis and other Southwestern Asians are not Arabs, are they?

Yet Muslims there are largely violent and intolerant of other faiths.

What about Muslim Phillipinos, Somalis, or Indonesians?

I believe that universally, the religion advocates violence against non-Muslims, to include other "people of the book". The only difference is the degree to which it is pursued.

The difference between Christianity and Islam appears to me to be about a thousand years of evolution, and a peaceful theology as taught by Jesus Christ versus the violence practiced and advocated by Mohammed. Have you studied who he was and how he came to found the religion?

I don't think Muslims are buying into that Coca-Cola commercial. About the only thing they have in common with Christianity is the Old Testament and monotheism.

TR

Yup we're all going to meet on that hilltop and sing.

If I'm being facetious, just blame it on my "Walt Kowalski" personality.

A well sourced article on honor killing and honor suicide is available at Honor Killing

Muslims living in harmony in Ethiopia...yeah, sure.....
When last in Ethiopia after the civil war we attempted to bring the northern new country of Eritrea (Muslim and seceeded from Ethiopia rather than continue fighting amongst fellow rebel factions once Menjistu and the Russians were defeated...a perfect example of G warfare without outside assitance BTW) closer to the Ethipoian Govt. (pred Christian) without success.
The Muslims did not trust the Christians Ethiopians.
There are presently constant border clashes between the two and the faction up North is providing assistance to Somali Muslim factions.

Honor killing and Islam are totally intertwined...Muslim women are property and by the tenets of Islam, not worth as much as a man. Women stoned to death for infidelity (sharia) and the man whipped (sharia) one dies the other survivies.

Honor killing and Islam reside in the same vessel.

Religion had EVERYTHING to do with this. it's the LAW.

Read the attachment and deny that it is ISLAMIC LAW.

If you'd like, I can include proof that this is a certified true translation from:
- Imam of the Mosque of Darwish Pasha (Syria)
- Mufti of the Jordanian Armed Forces (Jordan)
- President of the International Institute of Islamic Thought and Member of the Islamic Fiqh Academy at Jedda
- General Director of Research, Writing and Translation of the al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy

Don't tell us this isn't TRUE Islam.

Either you don't know - or you are practicing al-taqiyya (also spelled Taqiyya [2] and taqiyyah [3])

Either way - we're not buying what you're selling.

The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's
beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a
time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from
physical and/or mental injury." A one-word translation would be
"Dissimulation." [1]

"Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110) [3]
________________________________________________
[1] http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter6b/1.html

[2] http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Ta...-for-Allah.htm

[3] http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia_taqayyah.htm

Looks like you need to go back and doooo a lot of research. Your post does not hold water.

Next time you wish to post something so out there you need to go back and fine tune your SA. A large majority of us on this site have walked the walk and lived the life in our work in these Islamic countries. Your statement just shows us that you are not aware and informed. Arab is not a religion. Islam is...... Sharia Law is ? For What religion? The Majority of Islamic believers are not Arabs. Where is the Largest Islamic Population? It sure is not in Saudi Arabia.....

HOT OFF THE PRESS...
 

Just posted today...how timely...

http://business2.maktoob.com/2009000...ng/Article.htm

News Crime Saudi women changes plea to avoid stoning
Jul 29, 2009

A woman accused of adultery in Abu Dhabi changed her guilty plea after a court judge warned her confession carried a sentence of death by stoning under sharia law, UAE daily the National reported on Monday.

The case against the Saudi woman, referred to only as R.M., was brought by her father at Abu Dhabi's Criminal Court of First Instance, the newspaper said.

"You have the right to deny," the judge was quoted as saying, following woman's admission. "The Prophet urged people towards denial in these cases."

Married and divorced men and women who commit adultery face the death penalty by stoning under sharia law. Under the same law, premarital sex is punishable by 100 lashes.

Four reliable witnesses must testify that adultery took place in order to convict a person that denies the charge. *

The woman's co-defendant, an Emirati man, referred to only as S.M., faces the same charges. He was not in court.

A verdict will be announced on Tuesday.
__________________________________________________ _____

* Why are 4 witnesses required? It's the LAW.

See attached.

Blu Falcon,

As a free woman living in the U.S., I cannot possibly imagine what those under Sharia law must endure, but, last I checked, all on this planet are human beings! And from what I have read over the years about this disgusting practice is that it IS practiced by Islamics, worldwide, as Warrior-Mentor has just pointed out.

The argument you made about "knowing better" has backfired on me. No. I know the facts.

The Islamic Religon practicing this Sharia Law can kiss my American A**!

JMVHO.

Holly

Oh really? What version of the religion are you practicing? Or are you an apologist for that "religion"? The enlightened and informed infidel who was spoon fed information in a liberal college classroom, perhap?
:munchin
Amen, WM, Amen!

Echoes:
Free woman now...if they had their druthers, that won't be for long. The apologists and spinelss bimbos in our government and society will continue to roll over for them until NONE of us have any freedoms, let alone the American Woman!

Saoirse,

Agree! "Spineless bimbos" is to kind of a word for them, but since we are in public, it suits very well, IMHO!

Am not a feminist, or womans movement-type, but I think any intelligent female can digest this thinly veiled Sharia law for what it is...complete and utter disreguard for human life, based on the fact that we have different "parts!"

This Jordanian that killed his sister is a coward IMHO, and can only hope that Americans wake up and realize what is lurking at our doorstep...Islam, religion of peace, my a**!

Holly

:munchin

:munchin

Right, and true socialism is extremely compatible with the real world. When I start to see the same "outrage" about this - from Muslims everywhere - as I saw about cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohamed, then I might really change my mind. Until then, the timid and nearly non-existent responses on things such as this translate into tacit approval.

Such abhorrant behavior should be exposed and declared unacceptable by all - no matter the specific sectarian guise under which it is cloaked by those who attempt to justify its nature.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Woman who wed without permission killed in Jordan
 

Woman who wed without permission killed in Jordan

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...47-401,00.html

What can ya' say.

And down at the bottom of the story is another one killed.

".....Earlier this week, a man was charged with murder for shooting his niece, who had been raped......"

Remember - all cultures are equal.

From UN Population Fund reports. :(

UNPFA is at http://www.unfpa.org/public/

And so it goes...:(

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Murder is murder.

Beating your face into a prayer rug five times a day doesn't change that one bit.

Confession won't clense that.

Aliens cannot travel back in time and make it better. (Sorry Tom Cruise)

You be the Judge...
 

Is this Girl Scared shitless or what?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027213.php

This isn't an act.

I love religion. It imbues people with such a great capacity for excellent life decisions, such compassion and tolerance. It really brings out the best in people, you know, like murder and intellectual slavery.

Poor kid. Hope she manages to keep her head, literally and figuratively, through this.

Update:

A Florida Culture-War Circus Over Rifqa Bary
Tim Padgett, Time, 24 Aug 2009

Florida has a knack for turning family dysfunction into national spectacle. Ten years ago it gave us the Elian Gonzalez mess; five years later came the Terri Schiavo debacle. Now we have a new domestic dispute that threatens to become another culture-war circus, complete with a clash-of-religions angle to boot: the battle for Rifqa Bary, a 17-year-old girl from Columbus, Ohio, who ran away to an Evangelical church in Orlando, Fla., because, she claims, her Sri Lankan Muslim family has threatened to kill her for recently converting to Christianity.

The saga began in mid-July when Rifqa, after a dispute with her parents, bolted from her home and rode a bus to Orlando. There she took refuge with the Rev. Blake Lorenz, the pastor of a conservative Christian congregation, the Global Revolution Church, and his wife Beverly, whom the cheerleader and honor student had met on Facebook. Almost three weeks later, on Aug. 6, the Lorenzes finally let authorities and Rifqa's frantic parents know the girl was with them. Then, a few days later, Rifqa dropped a bombshell to an Orlando television station: she had run away, she claimed, because her family, angry about her conversion to Christianity, had "threatened to kill me."

Wearing a white dress and a silver cross, her dark hair often falling over her scared eyes, the small and slender Rifqa insisted in the TV interview (now on YouTube) that her father Mohamed Bary, a Columbus jeweler, "said he would kill me or send me back to Sri Lanka," where she said "they have asylums where they put people like me." She said her death would be a Muslim "honor killing," the kind of murder that women in deeply conservative Muslim societies are sometimes victims of when they're deemed to have shamed their families. (The U.N. Population Fund estimates that there are as many as 5,000 worldwide honor killings every year.) Rifqa said that her father, upon discovering her Facebook profile and its declarations of her Christian faith, told her, "If you have this Jesus in your heart, you're dead to me, you're not my daughter." She added, almost hysterically, "They have to kill me ... I want to worship Jesus freely. I don't want to die!"

It's a serious charge that any law-enforcement or social-services official would have to look into, particularly since there have in fact been some extremely rare instances of honor killings in the U.S. Most recently two Dallas-area sisters were murdered last year, allegedly by their Egyptian-born Muslim father, who relatives say was enraged that his daughters, 18 and 17 years old, were dating non-Muslim boys. (The father is still at large and is believed to have fled the country.) But Mohamed Bary and his wife Aysha adamantly insist it is "completely false" that they ever threatened to kill Rifqa over her conversion. "We love her; we want her back. She is free to practice her religion, whatever she believes in. That's O.K.," Mohamed told the Associated Press last week.

Columbus police tell TIME they're watching the case closely and are in contact with the courts and social-services agencies in Ohio and Florida; so far they have found no evidence or other information to support Rifqa's accusation. Craig McCarthy, one of two Orlando attorneys appointed to represent the Barys in Florida, says that while they may have been dismayed at first by Rifqa's conversion, as devout parents of any faith would be, they are hardly the kind of fundamentalist Muslims who would declare a medieval fatwa, or death sentence, on their daughter. "There is a vast, vast difference between not being pleased that your child has not chosen your faith and wanting to kill your child," says McCarthy. "This is a family with Westernized kids. Their daughter is a cheerleader."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...918228,00.html

Rumor has it that the parents went on Arab television claiming she ran away with a boy she met on facebook. I know someone, who knows someone, that knows her. She spent a lot of time at prayer groups. She's scared to death. Many people in Central OH are praying for her safety.
Blu Falcon, I think you aren't telling the whole story.

Commentary in today's Washington Times about Riqfa Bary:

Death sentence? The FDLE Report

Center for Security Policy, Newsmax | Sep 15, 2009
By Frank Gaffney, Jr.
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement is supposed to be in the business of saving lives. Yet, a just-released report by FDLE investigators may prove to be a death sentence.

At risk is the life of Rifqa Bary, the seventeen-year-old girl who fled to Florida in July to escape her family and the virulent Muslim community near Columbus, Ohio of which they have been a part since immigrating from Sri Lanka. Rifqa says that her father had threatened to kill when he discovered that she had secretly converted to Christianity several years ago. That would make her, according to the comprehensive theo-political-legal program authoritative Islam calls Shariah, guilty of "apostasy" - a capital offense.

For Shariah-adherent Muslims, such an offense is a stain on the family's honor and it often falls to fathers or brothers to remove it by the execution of the offender. It is this possibility that the FDLE was asked by a juvenile court judge in Florida to assess before he ruled on the motions filed by Ms. Bary's parents to compel her return to Ohio.

Unfortunately, the Florida investigators failed to perform their assignment. They found "no conclusive reports of threats" against Rifqa Bary. At best, their report is incomplete. At worst, it is misleading, possibly fatally so.

The FDLE concluded that "our investigation has provided no clear evidence of criminal activity in other states [i.e., Ohio] which may be supportive of [Ms. Bary's] allegations." This finding could only have been reached by a lack of due-diligence. For example, the investigators evidently failed to pursue the following leads:

* A Rifqa Bary Facebook site with 123 members that claims as its mission "we must kill her" was not considered evidence of potential criminal activity.

* The Shariah-adherent Muslim community near Columbus and its toxic Noor Islamic Cultural Center were not investigated. The FDLE report says that "an investigation into any person, religious or social organization without a specific criminal predicate in inappropriate." This is all the more stunning given that Rifqa's attorney, John Stemberger, has introduced into evidence a 35-page document revealing the mosque's extensive ties to jihadism and terrorism.

* The FDLE did not interview many of the friends Rifqa had identified who had knowledge of the abuse to which she had long been subjected at the hands of family members. The FDLE evidently spoke to just three individuals from the list and dispensed with the rest.

* There was nothing remotely like a rigorous effort to establish the degree to which Shariah requires its adherents to murder apostates like Rifqa Bary or the extent to which honor killings have been occurring in Western states - including, of late, the U.S. - to carry out this obligation.

Without such relevant information, the presiding Juvenile Court judge, Daniel Dawson, is - to put it mildly - clearly at an extreme disadvantage in deciding whether Ms. Bary can safely be sent back to her family and/or community.

The extent to which this denial of material facts is not just an omission but dereliction of duty on the part of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is suggested by the outrageous double-standard its investigators reportedly applied as they conducted interviews with the prospective victim and her family.

My Pet Jawa, a blog that has been doggedly and carefully following the Rifqa Bary case, broke the story that the FDLE report included the following admission:

FDLE/DCF Investigators were accompanied to the Bary residence by Sgt. John Hurst of the Columbus P.D. Child Abuse Squad. The residence is located in an apartment complex. Mr. Babak Darvish, Executive Director of the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Columbus and Mr. Romin Iqbal, Staff Attorney for CAIR OHIO were present. Investigators interviewed Mr. Bary in a non-custodial setting. (Emphasis added.)

As My Pet Jawa observed:

What makes this decision by FDLE and the Florida Dept of Children and Families to allow CAIR - who is not a party to the legal dispute and has not notified the court that they are representing the Barys in any legal capacity - [reprehensible] is that FDLE/DCF conducted a three and a half hour interrogation of Rifqa, the victim in this case, without her attorney and guardian ad litem being present. (Emphasis in the original.)

The inclusion of CAIR representatives in such a proceeding would be all the more outrageous in light of the fact that CAIR is a Muslim Brotherhood-associated organization. The Brotherhood has the explicit goal of "destroying Western civilization from within" and making America into a Shariah-adherent Islamic nation. CAIR was also an unindicted co-conspirator in a case involving material support for the terrorist organization Hamas.

Taken together, the FDLE's conduct suggests that its personnel deliberately conducted an investigation that is both incomplete and misleading. We can only speculate as to why. But the possibility that Governor Charlie Crist would like this hot potato transferred to Ohio rather than have it complicate his run for the Senate may be a contributing factor.

What is clear is this: If the minor in question were fleeing parents who she believed wanted to kill her for reasons other than Islam's Shariah, it is hard to imagine that the system in Florida ostensibly charged with protecting such children would even contemplate restoring parental custody.

Should such a restoration take place in this case, it will be further evidence that America is succumbing to the stealth jihad that is inexorably insinuating that seditious Islamic program into our society, in Florida and elsewhere across this country. In that event, the result of failing to fight the Islamists in this case may prove to be not just a death sentence for Rifqa Bary. It could turn out as well to be an important milestone in the submission of all Americans to the program that explicitly seeks to replace our Constitution and the liberties it enshrines with the brutal and repressive program known as Shariah.



Frank J. Gaffney, Jr. is President of the Center for Security Policy and host of the nationally syndicated program Secure Freedom Radio.

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.o...xml?genre_id=1

Florida Department of Law Enforcement earns an F

Center for Security Policy | Sep 16, 2009
By John D. Guandolo
[Note: John D. Guandolo is a 12 ½ year veteran of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. At the request of the Center for Security Policy, he prepared an assessment of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement’s (FDLE) investigation of the Ohio-based parents of former Muslim Rifqa Bary, the 17-year old apostate from Islam who has sought refuge in the state of Florida. The FDLE report is provided here, and is available as searchable text for the first time, below his analysis. The significant errors and omissions that Mr. Guandolo and other experts have found in this FDLE investigation show a failure in FDLE’s professional responsibility in handling the Rifqa Bary case. Governor Crist and FDLE management need to get new investigators on the job, start over, and this time do it right. A life may be at stake due to FDLE negligence-- and willful blindness-- in conducting this investigation.]


John D. Guandolo:
Response to FDLE Investigative Report on Rifqa Bary Matter

Upon my review of the report filed by the FDLE regarding the Rifqa Bary Matter in Florida, I offer my professional opinion.

1. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) Investigative Summary OR-73-1741 encapsulates the investigation into allegations made by Fathima Rifqa Bary (hereafter referred to as "Rifqa Bary") that she is or may be in physical danger from her father, Mohamed Bary, or others. Point 4 on page 2 of the report states Rifqa Bary believes her life to be in danger from an "honor killing" by her family or others, which she states is in accordance with Islamic Law. The report finds: "Ms. Bary's concern that she may be killed because of her conversion from Islam to Christianity remains a subjective and speculative concern..." and concludes there is no conspiracy to commit violence against her. The investigators in this matter offer this opinion void of any knowable facts. In fact, a due diligence review would reveal the existence of authoritative Islamic Law texts officially translated into English. This review would further reveal Islamic Law - which is real law - has requirements and rules as to how to deal with those who leave Islam [eg The Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, "Umdat al-Salik" also known as "Reliance of the Traveller" - publicly available]. If it can be shown (1) there is a requirement in Islamic Law for killing Ms. Bary as a publicly declared apostate from Islam, (2) that her parents adhere to Islamic Law, and (3) that she did, in fact, leave Islam and convert to Christianity, then the FDLE has a professional responsibility to include these facts in this report, and investigate this matter fully. There is nothing subjective about this - these are all ascertainable facts. I would hope the Florida State's Attorney's Office has done their due diligence on this matter and is aware of this

2. Mr. Bary's comments to the Investigators claiming there is "absolutely not" any concept of Honor Killings under Islamic Law can also be comparatively and factually reviewed against Islamic Law. There are, in fact, rules and requirements as to how apostates should be handled within the context of Islamic Law, and these facts must be reviewed by FDLE if a professional and factual report is to be completed.

3. It was noted that the Executive Director of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) -Columbus (Ohio) and the Staff Attorney for CAIR were present during the interview of Mr. Bary by FDLE Investigators. Absent from the FDLE report was any mention that CAIR is a known Muslim Brotherhood entity and an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) trial - the largest terrorism financing trial in U.S. history - revealing HLF as a Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood front in the United States. All defendants in this case were found guilty in November 2008 and are serving long prison terms. These facts about CAIR were testified to at trial, and accepted as legally true. They are irrefutable - the documents demonstrating these facts were stipulated to by the defense. The Muslim Brotherhood's (MB) creed is "Allah is our goal; the Messenger is our guide: the Koran is our constitution; Jihad is our means; and martyrdom in the way of Allah is our inspiration," and their stated objective in America is a "Civilization-Jihad" to destroy the United States from within, and the MB exists to implement Islamic Law here in the United States. All of these facts are relevant for two critical reasons. First, these material facts should be made known to the State Attorney's Office and any Judges involved in this case as a matter of course. Secondly, when representatives from an organization that is objectively known to be hostile towards to the United States and unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terrorism financing trial in U.S. history, are allowed to be present during a law enforcement interview of someone, it raises questions as to why they were allowed to be present at the interview at all. These facts further demand an objective look to determine if the Muslim Brotherhood itself has a position on Islamic Law and Apostasy. One of the MB's two stated objectives is to implement Islamic Law in North America (and across the globe), and it is known they call for adherence to Islamic Law wherever Muslim communities exist. The Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law: Reliance of the Traveller is approved as valid Islamic Law by the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), a known Muslim Brotherhood entity, as proven in the HLF trial. In Reliance of the Traveller, Investigators will find specific legal doctrine on how apostates are to be treated under Islamic Law. Furthermore, the Muslim Brotherhood has a history of officially addressing the issue of Apostasy. In 1984, Ismail R. Al-Faruki , the Founder of IIIT, stated: "That is why Islamic Law has treated people who have converted out of Islam as political traitors...[Islam] must deal with the traitors when convicted after due process of law either with banishment, life imprisonment, or capital punishment...but once their conversion is proclaimed, they must be dealt with as traitors to the state." Apostasy is also specifically addressed in Peace and the Limits of War, published by IIIT and written by Louay Safi, the former Executive Director of IIIT, Malaysia, the Association of Muslim Social Scientists (a proven Muslim Brotherhood entity), and the Executive Director of the Islamic Society of North America's (ISNA) Leadership Development Council. ISNA was proven to be a Muslim Brotherhood entity and is also an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terrorism financing trial in U.S. history - HLF. The book is also approved by the Secretary General of ISNA. In it, Mr. Safi notes that individual apostates cannot be killed for a "quiet desertion of personal Islamic duties," but can be put to death as "just punishment" when the apostate deserts Islam publicly (p. 31).

4. This is a statement of facts regarding this matter:

* There are requirements in Islamic Law regarding someone who deserts Islam
* The Muslim Brotherhood's objective is the implementation of Islamic Law in the United States
* Rifqa Bary has left Islam and become a Christian
* Rifqa Bary has made statements to FDLE officials and others that her parents have threatened to kill her because she has left Islam
* The Bary's appear to be adherent to Islamic Law
* The Bary's appear at an interview with two Muslim Brotherhood representatives doing business as CAIR, a group known to be hostile towards the United States which is also an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terrorism financing trial in U.S. history
* The Muslim Brotherhood supports the killing of Muslims who publicly leave Islam

5. It is my professional opinion that sufficient Probable Cause exists to believe that Ms Bary's concerns for her personal safety are based in a realistic and factual understanding of her situation, and, therefore, a further criminal investigation is warranted.



John D. Guandolo is a 12 ½ year veteran of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

[The FDLE report is posted at the end of Mr. Guandolo's report]
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/p18176.xml

Islamic Law on Apostacy
 

From Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Sacred islamic Law.
By Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri and Nuh Ha Mim Keller

See Book O (justice)

Read paragraphs o8.0, o8.1 for the punishment.

And Paragraph o8.4 to see that it's open season for any Muslim who does happen to kill an apostate, there's NO PUNISHMENT.

You make the call.

Islamic Law continued...
 

Paragraph c8.1 eastablished Who may be held Responsible.

There are two criteria:

1. Must be able to understand the evidence. Neither Child nor insane person are responsible. (She's NOT a child as defined in f1.2 and k13.8)

2. Must be legally eligibile for the ruling.


f1.2 goes on to explain the age of mental discrimination.

k13.8 defines puberty: "Puberty applies to a person after the first wet dream, or upon becoming fifteen (O:lunar) years old, or when a girl has her first menstrual period or pregnancy."

Clearly she meets the eligibility requirements for the above punishment to the "crime" of apostacy.


WHICH RAISES THE NEXT QUESTION:

If Rifqa Bary is killed as a result of her changing her religion,
can the Florida Department of Law Enforcement be held criminally negiligent?

If so, by whom?

Here's the latest on Rifqa Bary...
 

God bless this young lady.

Tough to imagine the hell she must be going through right now...

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...ing-today.html

3:35: "lawyer for rifqas parents says rifqa's lawyer has an "agenda" and has attacks the muslim community of Columbus and is using right wing propaganda...This is a blatant attempt to separate Rifqa from those who protect her and stand for her."

3:53 "parents lawyer objects the client being "dragged through the court" by guardian ad litem."

I may sound rediculous in saying this, but IMHO, these "parents" would probobly like to drag her though the literal mud before executing her...homestyle, right?:mad: Nice and easy clean-up, no mess for the local cops who are soon to be banned from taking action anyway...:rolleyes:

Disgusting if this young lady is not allowed evacuation from her "parents!"

JUST MY .02...

Holly

Judge Rules Christian Convert Teen Must Go Back Home
 

This is crazy.

Judge Rules Christian Convert Teen Must Go Back Home

A Florida judge has ruled a teenager from Ohio must return after running away to Florida in fear that her parents would harm her for converting from Islam to Christianity.

The judge ruled Ohio has jurisdiction over the case involving the teen, Rifqa Bary.

No date has been set for when she will be returned back home.

The 17-year old girl ran away from her parents' home in July, saying she feared being killed for changing religions.
But a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation found no credible threats to Bary.

She has been staying in foster care in Orlando since she ran away.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,565560,00.html

Her parents must still comply with a court order in Florida to provide copies of their immigration documents. Until then, Florida will not release her.

Source

Thanks for the update!

Well Fla did exactly what I expected those mealy mouthed DCF people to do... The girl will be returned to Ohio. Immagration status to be checked and both parents and kid must undergo a pyschiatric evaluation and treated if deemed necessary. What a gianormous load of crap! DCF is under a mandate to restore families after some crap they did yrs and yrs back. So them "reuniting" this young woman and her parents is no suprise here.

I would suspect that Fla deemed the girl an Ohio resident not a Fla resident. IN Fla, under Fla law she is or can be treated as an adult at 17. In Fla, she might have rights that she would not in Ohio. I do know at that age, in Fla as a resident, she has the right to sue for emanicipation. I guess her gaurdian ad litem was not worth a crap and did not really fight for her. Most judges in Fla, that is to say 9.5 out of 10 will believe any lie that DCF tells them. That judges order is pretty standard for DCF. It is thier way of writing off the whole thing.. Parenting classe and a psych eval is Fla DCF sop. Those people think everyone is crazy ya know... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

My take, no one took the dads passport. So..............Daddy will take the kid, the minute he gets her back, to Sri Lanka where she will either die or be married off to someone who will either beat her into submission or kill her himself. How any mother can facilitate this travesty is beyond my ken. DCF (fla) has again proven how useless they truly are.

I suspect this is more about christianity and islam than parents. Some christians is out there trying to convert on facebook. IF the christians had any real care for the kid, they would have helped her stay hidden until she turned 18 and was out of her parents control. IF her gaurdian ad litem was worth a crap, that person would have fought tooth and nail for her. Neither apparently, it appears, did much to help the kid. For what it is worth, I am quite certian that DCF threatened the Lorenzes with jail. DCF, in all states, is very good at making threats that would have anyone else tossed in jail. They get away with it because they are DCF.

My heart and prayers are with that child.

For the record, before I get myself bounced here. I am and have always been on the same page with WM and the other QPs here with regards to Islam. I do have some more pragmantic views of religion in general having grown up RC in a Southern Baptist south. It gives one a very unique perspective on the whole deal.
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WM,

Just read this update, and though I am late in my response, there is one burning question in my head...Will any local law enforcement be able to keep an eye on this home where she is to be returned to?

Cannot even imagine what this poor child must be going through, and my thoughts are with her now, in her darkest hours. She did absolutely nothing to deserve this, except be born into a family of beasts, IMO.

Disgusting. Rant over.

Holly