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Macgregor 05-12-2009 21:11

Deadliest warrior.
 
For those of you that saw it, what did you think of the result of the last episode Green Berets Vs. Spetsnaz?
I personally thought the expert analysis was laughable.
http://www.spike.com/show/31082

I don't watch the show but I did tune in to the end of it because of some calls I got from friends.
The narrator and the way they do it just kind of screams airsoft to me.
That and the large amount of misinformation on the show, well I guess it is just for entertainment value.

Moving Target 05-12-2009 21:22

It was crap, but what would you expect from the same channel that brought us "Manswers".

I feel dumber for watching it.

uboat509 05-12-2009 21:23

It couldn't have cheesier if they had tried.

SFC W

Macgregor 05-12-2009 21:27

I personally, am still trying to figure out why they picked the makarov over the m9.
The m9 is far from my favorite handgun but I would take it over the makarov any day.
That makarov holster was pretty neat though, is that something new?

TheLion03 05-12-2009 21:29

2 Thumbs down
 
This show was beyond ridiculous. Through the previews I thought they had a chance at making it worthwhile, but alas they did not. I noticed how the Russians and their tools mixed with spinning flip kicks into double taps seemed like SPIKE TV brought them right out of a James Bond film. I am starting to think that SPIKE is part of the Liberal news media conglomerate.

BoyScout 05-12-2009 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macgregor (Post 264702)
I personally, am still trying to figure out why they picked the makarov over the m9.
The m9 is far from my favorite handgun but I would take it over the makarov any day.
That makarov holster was pretty neat though, is that something new?

They chose the makarov because the American did not kill all the targets plain and simple. Usually the show is more scientific, which ain't saying much really, but they went with gear and gadgets when skill is the factor in tests.

Pete S 05-12-2009 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyScout (Post 264705)
[....]but they went with gear and gadgets when skill is the factor in tests.

From the episodes that I've seen, the only thing they do is test weapons and equipment.
They set arbitrary rules to determine the effectiveness of weapons.
By their model, it isn't going to be possible to accurately factor in mindset or training into the scenario.

It can be a fun show to watch when they demolish pig carcasses and gel dummies.
The cheese can be overwhelming though.

I'll stick to watching Terry Schappert.

longrange1947 05-13-2009 06:45

I answered this in another post but this what I had to say.

Watched it and the guy really screwed up the close in shooting and that made the Russians win overall. On NODs and moving on targets, he completely missed a target and I know that would not have happened with our guys here. The Russan got all kill shots in 17 seconds while the US got one kill and one wound in 12 seconds. The group of techno nerds decision was that the Russians were more professional, more technically proficient, with a stronger mind set. I ain't buying it and I think it was the guys just were not strong enough to give a good showing.

That and the gadgetery of the ballistic knife.

That is my 2 cents. :munchin

Sigaba 05-13-2009 07:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLion03 (Post 264703)
I am starting to think that SPIKE is part of the Liberal news media conglomerate.

Spike TV is owned by MTV Networks. MTV Networks is owned by Viacom. Viacom owns, among other media outlets, CBS and Paramount Studios.

At one time, Spike TV was The Nashville Channel. It then became The National Channel before becoming Spike TV.

FWIW, I think it should have stayed The National Channel. The marketing services department was slow to respond to logo requests, but the programming was much better.

BoyScout 05-13-2009 08:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by longrange1947 (Post 264730)
I answered this in another post but this what I had to say.

Watched it and the guy really screwed up the close in shooting and that made the Russians win overall. On NODs and moving on targets, he completely missed a target and I know that would not have happened with our guys here. The Russan got all kill shots in 17 seconds while the US got one kill and one wound in 12 seconds. The group of techno nerds decision was that the Russians were more professional, more technically proficient, with a stronger mind set. I ain't buying it and I think it was the guys just were not strong enough to give a good showing.

That and the gadgetery of the ballistic knife.

That is my 2 cents. :munchin

Longrange said it better than I did Pete. The show is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me but nothing more really. The ballistic knife is a gadget, a one shot deal and if you miss, you are facing a field expedient ax (in this case) empty handed. This is an individual skill over technology case. But then those episodes are usually extremely close. Look at the Samurai vs. Viking and the Apache vs. Gladiator. I also think the choice of weapons by the experts are another factor not seen much in the show.

Team Sergeant 05-13-2009 09:04

I find it hard to believe someone actually found a "Green Beret" to do the show...... stupid tv at it's finest.

greenberetTFS 05-13-2009 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by longrange1947 (Post 264730)
I answered this in another post but this what I had to say.

Watched it and the guy really screwed up the close in shooting and that made the Russians win overall. On NODs and moving on targets, he completely missed a target and I know that would not have happened with our guys here. The Russan got all kill shots in 17 seconds while the US got one kill and one wound in 12 seconds. The group of techno nerds decision was that the Russians were more professional, more technically proficient, with a stronger mind set. I ain't buying it and I think it was the guys just were not strong enough to give a good showing.

That and the gadgetery of the ballistic knife.

That is my 2 cents. :munchin

LR1947,

Your points are very well taken.... I agree with you entirely......;)

GB TFS :munchin

Bill Harsey 05-13-2009 09:09

And you all just made me feel better about not watching that show.
The techno nerds have no clue...

The antihero 05-13-2009 11:29

I've been watching the show since the first episode and it's entartaining, but the whole premise is just too absurd. A one Vs. one fight simulated a thousend times on a laptop after testing weapons on gel mannequins doesn't really prove anything. It's fun to see the effect of those ancient weapons on the dummies but that's it.

Plus this episode was the lamest so far.

Pete 05-13-2009 11:34

I'll stick with....
 
I'll stick with Out of the Wild.

The girls are getting good at shooting game birds, cleaning them and getting them in the pot.

zuluzerosix 05-13-2009 11:54

I am going to reach way out on this one...

Didn't this Russian SF vs. USSF scenario (more or less) already play in out Afghanistan in the 80's? I thought (and maybe I just may be screwed up) that this had already been settled...

Also...when the fight went down during in the building (on the show) where were the 100 or so "G's" that the USSF brought with them?

Macgregor 05-13-2009 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by zuluzerosix (Post 264788)

Also...when the fight went down during in the building (on the show) where were the 100 or so "G's" that the USSF brought with them?

Haha, I was thinking along the same path.
I told one of my friends that the USSF would just train other Russians to kill the Spetsnaz.

sleepyhead4 05-13-2009 13:34

This show was a complete waste of time.

zuluzerosix 05-13-2009 18:17

I will say this though, those combat rolls were quite fancy.

7624U 05-13-2009 19:35

Why test the sniper rifles if your going to battle in a building. And when do we ever go in a building with no body armor on :)

jrc 05-13-2009 20:39

I laughed so hard when I saw the Russian guy rolling and flopping around while shooting his Saiga...
"If you absolutely need to have a backwards flipping hatchet attack... then you can call Spetsnaz" - the bald guy.

Anyone actually like the cheezy narrators voice?

Macgregor 05-13-2009 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrc (Post 264879)
I laughed so hard when I saw the Russian guy rolling and flopping around while shooting his Saiga...
"If you absolutely need to have a backwards flipping hatchet attack... then you can call Spetsnaz" - the bald guy.

Anyone actually like the cheezy narrators voice?

LMAO
http://i42.tinypic.com/hrx1ro.jpg
I had forgot I had that on my computer until you said that.

The Reaper 05-13-2009 21:09

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Originally Posted by Macgregor (Post 264882)
LMAO
http://i42.tinypic.com/hrx1ro.jpg
I had forgot I had that on my computer until you said that.

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ead.php?t=3452

Review rule #10.

We are not your peers.

Go out. Enjoy HS. Graduate. Be a kid.

TR

bluebb 05-13-2009 22:15

merely a flesh wound
 
Da comrade go ahead punch me..

oof see that had no effect on me

oof oof nothing didn't even feel it

A knife you say comrade no problem, slash away

slash slash merely a scratch...

pistol, rifle da comrade we are trained to take it all

we are the best trained in the world

What ...what are you asking?

Where did we win...

well uh lets see...

Ah Afghanistan no not really

Why did you have to bring that up...

Wheres my vodka dammit

Team Sergeant 05-14-2009 16:59

Next week I heard it's going to be:

100 Somali Pirates Vs. One "unarmed" SEAL ;)

(I would not bet on the pirates)


TS

Utah Bob 05-14-2009 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by zuluzerosix (Post 264788)
I am going to reach way out on this one...

Didn't this Russian SF vs. USSF scenario (more or less) already play in out Afghanistan in the 80's? I thought (and maybe I just may be screwed up) that this had already been settled...

Also...when the fight went down during in the building (on the show) where were the 100 or so "G's" that the USSF brought with them?


The only type of "G" Spetznaz can handle.

Georgievskaya

pjody187 05-28-2009 23:03

Found this show after watching Deadliest Warrior. Same science experiment theme. But I thought it was more entertaining. What do y'all think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWGuvuf7-Ok

sleepyhead4 05-29-2009 01:20

Pretty interesting. More scientific than the other show. And pretty impressive operators. Thanks for the video.

zuluzerosix 05-29-2009 09:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 264994)
The only type of "G" Spetznaz can handle.

Georgievskaya


:D:D:D

jwt5 05-29-2009 10:08

I watched the Pirate vs. Knight episode one night... they only cared about the weapons, nothing about tactics or training.... glad I stopped watching after that...

zuluzerosix 05-29-2009 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepyhead4 (Post 267110)
Pretty interesting. More scientific than the other show. And pretty impressive operators. Thanks for the video.

That show was most impressive. Incredible how the operators were able to function extremely well under extreme heat and cold.

alfromcolorado 05-29-2009 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 264994)
The only type of "G" Spetznaz can handle.

Georgievskaya

Damn, that is some pretty expensive stuff...

dr. mabuse 05-29-2009 19:00

I'm waiting for the U.S. Army vs the Klingons episode.

I can't believe I wasted a good 30 seconds of my life on that show....

greenberetTFS 05-29-2009 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 264994)
The only type of "G" Spetznaz can handle.

Georgievskaya

UB,

Did you see that price in USD $154, are they nuts? :rolleyes:

GB TFS :munchin

Pete S 05-29-2009 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr. mabuse (Post 267221)
I'm waiting for the U.S. Army vs the Klingons episode.

I can't believe I wasted a good 30 seconds of my life on that show....

You're not far off.

The next episode is going to be Taliban vs. IRA :mad:

This series was over before it started...

frostfire 05-29-2009 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjody187 (Post 267106)
Found this show after watching Deadliest Warrior. Same science experiment theme. But I thought it was more entertaining. What do y'all think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWGuvuf7-Ok

thanks for the post. If it works, it works but still, I noticed the SF warrior uses a different grip than the other participants: the correct isoceles grip. IIRC, the grip that the TS teaches as well.

On the 2nd test:
is the adrenaline level measured before and after?
is the learning curve of the test taken into account?

perdurabo 05-29-2009 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by The antihero (Post 264783)
I've been watching the show since the first episode and it's entartaining, but the whole premise is just too absurd. A one Vs. one fight simulated a thousend times on a laptop after testing weapons on gel mannequins doesn't really prove anything. It's fun to see the effect of those ancient weapons on the dummies but that's it.

Plus this episode was the lamest so far.


These "simulations" are non-peer reviewed Excel formulae made up by some statistics guy with no fighting/combat experience. Probably plays a mean Halo 3, though.

The antihero 05-30-2009 02:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by perdurabo (Post 267244)
These "simulations" are non-peer reviewed Excel formulae made up by some statistics guy with no fighting/combat experience. Probably plays a mean Halo 3, though.

Amen to that.

Blitzzz (RIP) 05-30-2009 05:24

Real test
 
The real test has always been Man vs Man in the woods with a couple of weapons of choice.
I'm good with a Highstandard silenced .22 and good knife. Of course I could bear an M-4.

krod 06-12-2009 20:51

finally watched this show tonight, in the SF guys defense, spike tv had everything laid out how it was gonna go exactly, e-tool, wtf? too bad he wasnt a better shot unders nods with an M9, thats all i did when i went to the range...


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