Shooting with the Team Sergeant
 

A PS.com member went shooting with the Team Sergeant earlier today.

This member shot a number of TS weapons and from 5 meters, armed with a compact HK.40, fired group after group that could be covered with a nickel with most shots going through the same hole. (even though the same member started loading pistol mags with the bullet facing the wrong direction, this should serve as an indicator as to his prior proficiency level)

He took the targets he had shot to hang on his refrigerator. I’m guessing we’ll see them on here sometime soon…

TS

Good Job Roguish Lawyer! :D I recall you saying that you had gotten a .40 HK compact.

Am I right? Gotta be..he has 1837 posts but hasn't been online since 8:00pm last night. NOrmally he would have logged 15 posts by now. LOL

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If it was RL makes me think that we now know what really happened to those "missing" Bush/Cheney signs. Guess that's one way of keeping them from being heisted. :D

Jack Moroney

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A .40?!?!?!

Damn, a conservative with a wife and kids and everything, I would have thought him to be strictly hetero!

Oh well, he is a Kalifornia attorney, so there is that. Probably a miracle he isn't a 9x19 guy.

Colonel, I like the new flash on your avatar!

TR

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Excuse my ignorance.. but my googleFU is very weak tonight.

The closest I could come to matching Col. Moroney's flash is this.. but with what appears to be an Eagle overlaid over the flash.

Am I right?

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Your Google is fine, but the flash was that of 1st Special Warfare Training Group.

TR

Ahhh... Thank you Sir.

My copy of the training group flash was as follows... (had a slightly different color pattern:boohoo which threw me off).

Single shot slow fire?:munchin

YUP, he was not yet ready to "run with the big dogs".

Nothing wrong with that. Gotta crawl before you can run.

Well done counselor.

Jeez TS, a lawyer with a gun? i don't know...:D

Plus he's in California.:o

but he had to fly to AZ to get to shoot it! LOL What a state you guys live in....:p

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:munchin

lol...
 

Sac:
Go ahead and laugh…we will overcome or move to another state. :D

I just need to find some more “VETERANS”, like the one I met yesterday while putting new tires and rims on my SUV. The guy that owns the store is a hell-raiser and veteran when it comes to work ethics.

His son pissed him off and runs out of the office with the dad hot on his heels. The dad couldn’t catch him, so you know what the dad does?

Walks over to the sons’ car…opens the hood, and snatches every spark plug wire off the car engine! I’m thinking, “DAMN! What the hell is going on here”?

The older son that runs the place says to me…”I told him to shut up and to wait until dad was gone, then do it the way he wanted to”!

If you want to find an extraordinary teacher, try a Master Sergeant in the United States Army Special Forces. Holy shit.

This was HK USP .45 Full Size.

[I'll rotate and repost the images later]

And here is a target impacted with HK USP Compact .40. I think it is best for TS to comment on the various holes in the target and how they were created.

You should use the first photo as your avatar. Keep the sig line for a great combination.

Nice shooting counselor.

Good shooting RL! Do you have room for an indoor range in your office? Steel bullet traps work most of the time.

RL did quite well first time out.

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I originally wanted a .45, but was persuaded by an expert that I should walk before I run.

You obviously missed what happened to Air.177. LOL

As your Samoan Attorney, I advise you not to post any such thing. Also, I'll have you know that I did not post that, and at any rate, It was a number 4 Buckshot pattern, not a group.:p

Well, on the subject of avatars- Air should use TR's shot of that piece of meat being annihilated at Blackwater... and keep his sig line, of course.

Solid

Ball and dummy drill

LOL... you post a photo of the target where your group was tighter than the Team Sergeant's.. then force him to have to post and explain it himself. HAHAHA

Why didn't you just post the pic and point to your 10 shot group (very nice BTW). Didn't want to take credit for that non-RL quality shootin' huh? LOL
:munchin

I am not qualified to comment on any of this. Are you criticizing the Team Sergeant's shooting?

One thing I will say is that neither of these pistols had been zeroed before these shots were taken. And I shot the two on the number 9 by jerking the trigger.

I said nothing of the TS's shooting.
I asked a question is all. :)

Oh?

I only posted the targets that make me look good. Believe me, no one wants to mimic "RL-quality shooting"!

There was quite a bit of shooting by the TS with various weapons, and you missed a truly remarkable show. So you might watch yourself. LOL ;)

Yes, I figured that. That is human nature and nothing to be ashamed of. We all have a tendency to do that.

I was told by your mentor that your shots were "all in one hole", so I logically concluded that the 9 ring holes were the TS's ( while obviously having you hit him with a 2x4 to throw off his aim! LOL)

A threat??.. you might want to practice loading your magazines before you get THERE, RL. "pointy-rounded end toward the front" ;) LOL

enough.

discuss shooting or discuss it somewhere else.

Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen if you might take a suggestion from a geriatrics warrior who has had a lot of experience working with team sergeants, the one thing you do not want to do is ever, ever, ever, ever, criticize the team sergeant. You see the team sergeant runs the team and everyone else is sort of a guest. If, for instance, you think that the team sergeant has a slight flaw somewhere in some obscure skill set, unless you want to find yourself demonstrating your expertise in that skill set or "assisting" the team sergeant in rising above this alleged flaw you best recognize that the team sergeant did not become the team sergeant because he got his credentials off the back of a cheerios box but did in fact rise to all the challenges put before him dispite what you might percieve to be a flaw. Just a suggestion.

Jack Moroney-educated by a lot of Team Sergeants :D

we were just funnin' TS...
 

alright...

What did you find was the most difficult part of shooting (consistently) for you RL? For me, it has always been a jerky a trigger pull. I have had to do a lot of dry fire trigger pulls with a penny rested on the front site to overcome my "jerk".

Team sergeant-
What drills do you find are best to train the muscle memory for pistol shooters?

Adjustable sights?

My HK Expert has them, the HK compact does not.

I remember the first time I shot a .22 bolt action rifle (first time with a rifle, only shotgun experience before). For some reason I didn't notice the hole in the front of the chamber in which you slide the round, so I frustratedly kept trying to put the round in the bottom of the rifle and then close the bolt...

Finally I saw the hole, looked around to make sure nobody had seen me being an idiot, and got on with shooting.

:o

I was very young at the time, at least...

Solid

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I like to review the 8 fundamentals of pistol marksmanship during a dry fire session, just prior to shooting a variation of the 1st Session of SFAUC markmanship. I use this session myself when I've been unable to get to a range in a while and on anyone new to the team that I want to assess. I also modify this a bit for a warmup on viturally every range.

8 fundamentals:

Stance, Grip, Sight Picture, Sight Alignment, Breath Control, Trigger Control, Follow Through, & Recovery

Dry fire 5-10 minutes from position 3 to position 4

5 meters, Slwo Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 15 rounds, 3 inch dots

5 meters, Ball and Dummy **, 5 rounds, 3 inch dots

5 meters, Slow Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 15 rounds, 3 inch dots

7 meters, Slow Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 15 rounds, 3 inch dots

7 meters, Ball and Dummy **, 5 rounds, 3 inch dots

7 meters, Slow Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 15 rounds, 3 inch dots

10 meters, Slow Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 45 rounds, 6 inch dot or 25 meter pistol tgt

15 meters, Slow Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 45 rounds, 6 inch dot or 25 meter pistol tgt

** note the responsibilty of the coach/loader during BAD firing is to observe the shooter (pistol) to see if any errors in fundamentals can be seen and not to watch for where the bullet impacts.

This works for me and the guys on my team. The variation I use to warm up on virtualy every range is this course without the ball and dumm.


By the way, we outshot all other teams in general markmsanship and stress event during 2/10s last SFAUC training.....just a little brag!

mp

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1. Jerky trigger pull.

2. Keeping gun steady/establishing rhythm for second shot. My left hand would occasionally come off the pistol after firing.

IMO, the single most important drill one can do to develop basic pistol maksmanship. When I am in charge, its how we start our day.

Be very careful with this drill boys and girls, if not performed correctly, it can hurt someone. Especially coaches.

That is an excellent group for V&P, well done counselor.

Saca, the TS' group probably looks the same at 25 meters from the holster and so fast you can't see him move.

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Anticipating recoil.

Some call it the 60/40 grip. 60% grip with the non-firing hand...40% grip with the firing hand.