What Caused This?
 

What made this mess in less than 60 seconds?

TR

A GAU Mini-Gun !!!! Unless you just Dumped that ammo crate full on empties on the Ground !!:D

Well, Hell, that took you 11 minutes.

What were you doing, drinking a beer?

Who says that a FOG can't have fun at work? Helps to have good friends with nice toys, and Gummint ammo.

TR

Wanna see a pic of the shoot?

TR

Here he goes again, making us ask to see pictures.....
First the knife, now this.

:munchin

And Yes, He was

11 minutes, I don't know, might have been two beers.

Do ya' have one of these, AM?

About 1/2 seconds worth of brass you see flying in the pic.

TR

Re: What Caused This?
 

Whew! for a second there I'd thought we'd failed to sweep your driveway before leaving.

We had one at CCC that we had "Procured" from an Aviation unit in Pleiku that was mounted in a Deuce & a Half Trailer. Complete with a magazine for Perimeter Defence. I was shooting it one evening and started smelling something weird, then I felt the HEAT, I was over ankle deep in HOT BRASS !!! The smell was the leather and the rubber soles of my Jungle Boots !! It didn't have a Flash Hider though and you couldn't see shit after you fired it !!

Later
Martin

This one worked real nice, mounted on the top of a HMMWV.

Can you say convoy security?

Wanna pop up with an AK and face that down?

TR

Re: Re: What Caused This?
 

No, no, that would have been empty beer cans and whiskey bottles.

Maybe an odd steel fencepost or two.

TR

TR - I'm jealous! If I'd known what you guys were going to be playing with I would have broken down and put on a uniform one more time. The important question - are they going to put it in the mix with the M2/Mk19 for the DMVs or was this JFTFOI? I really like the idea of using it in convoy security. Did they address the ammo supply issue? Without using a trailer? YIS - Peregrino

Should I assume you 'aim' using tracers?

Wish you had.

Not sure what the BOIP is, ask Gary. I do believe that any idiots who are unimpressed by the M-240 may get a real shock when this baby opens up. Expensive, but much less than the new 40mm auto grenade launcher.

3,000 round mag, runs off its own battery, low drain. Didn't ask too many more questions.

Razor, they started out using an EOTech, but the batteries went flat and so they just used the top rail and adjusted with the tracers. At 3,000rpm, with 4+1, you are getting about 10 tracers per second, so it isn't too hard to see.

TR

I don't think you can fully appreciate a weapon like that until you see it in real life.

Is there any chance for a video of the next firing?

Thank you,

Solid

Concur.

No video unless someone sends me a nice new camera to capture it with.

Last shot.

TR

Why only a 3000 round can? Go with the new dillon 4400 round cans. They do make an attachments for brass and link chutes so they dont end up in the floor of the vehicle. Yall need a Minigun expert up there:D

Because as I understand it, 3,000 is about all it can stand if you were to go cyclic and burn through it all in one long burst.

The way it is set up, the brass all goes on or off the side of the roof, none inside the vehicle, which is a good thing.

You can make your recommendation to NWSC Crane, or to the Force Mod guys if you want. I can hook you up.

Don't think they are hiring Urdu speaking PSYOP guys to be gunslingers, but I am aware of your GE expertise.

TR

Ah, you have the duel rate GAU, well since we are talking army M-134. I know the folks at Crane, they are our source for everything minigun also. I know yall have it covered, but think extra feeders, Immediate Action for jams ect. The weakest link is the Can and feed chute.

BTW I returned the Urdu CD's, staying in my lane now, try and leave Latam and got my pee pee smacked :D

Never give me a few of those things!
 

Just two A-Teams patrolling BIAP road. I'd have the entire stretch secured in a week!:D

Got to love that Dillon guy - He makes/modifies some really nice toys. The SWCS Media Gurus did an immediate action video of the minigun for non-aviation types not too long ago that included the standard version and the Dillon mods (feed system). Some of the guys in the office had a "blast" being "models" (none as good looking as Dillon's "Machinegun Magic" crew). TR - Do you know who they "borrowed" the rig from and which version it was? YIS Peregrino

Weapons Center Crane brought it down.

It was not the dual rate version, it was single rate, 3000 rpm.

GD Gary has the specs on it, if you are interested.

TR

My only concern would be extreme movements, that would bind the feed chute and cause the belt to start to seperate. That causes timing problems/jams.

Oh, I see how you are. Your idea of psywar is to just let the enemy hear that minigun firing a few thousand rounds? LOL

Does it come in coyote brown?

;)

Who is the guy shooting in the last pic? He looks like my old PSG.

I am more of a fan of the dual rate gun if it's not hard mounted to keep down on the jams. The rounds have quite a tendency to snag in the shoot as you traverse, which stretches the links and causes some horrible jams. With the lower rate you can get on target and then cycle up as needed. Just a couple things I learned about when I watched the dillon video. ;) And for gods sakes get a "laser"!

Ive not done much in the way of Psyop for about 3 years. LOL, Lately Ive been spending my days working on miniguns, and watching HN guys shoot down their own helos with them. No not another helo, the one that the mini was mounted in.

Stupid question...that looks like .223 brass, not .308...is it?

Go back to the first page, look at the size of the Feed Chute and the empties as they are being ejected. Compare that to the size of the Operator's Hands. That is .308 (7.62) !!!

Gotcha...I'll take your word that it's 7.62....only miniguns I was around were on taskforce boards......

(which apparently fire just by spinning the barrel with your hands! Another Ranger found that out!)

Yep, 7.62.

Saw a few rounds cranked off manually when rotating the barrels with a Leatherman to clear it.

One of the guys requested a hand crank for it.

TR

Yet another forward-thinking SF NCO. What was the answer?

TR, were you aware of the manual fire feature before that?

Not sure what Crane told him, but I told him that had been done before about 135 years ago.

BM:

I had heard that it would fire like that, but never seen it done till then, and I suspect that I have 5,000 rounds or so through the a/c and ground versions.

Looks like an important safety tip.

TR

What does the recoil on that thing do to a helicopter? I remember NDD talking about sniper rifles throwing helos around, so it makes me wonder....?

Thank you,

Solid

We had a guy killed like that, gun was not cleared properly before being dismounted from the helo. Then the barrels were spun to clear it.

If you open the Safeing Sector/housing cover the gun will not fire, even if you do rotate the barrels to clear out jams.


As to what the recoil does to the helo, On Huey's the gun is mounted on a pintal just like a M60, In blackhawks in can be in the door or the window. Not being a pilot I cant tell you what it feels like to be in control of the bird when its fired.

TR, were the test weapons hard wired into the vehicle for power or did they have a seperate battery?

Im a big fan of the seperate battery, allows you to use the weapon to defend the crash site if need be.

You could feel the recoil in the frame of the Hummer, if you leaned against it, but it didn't visibly move. It is only 7.62, and the mounts are rated for .50 M-2 and 40mm Mk 19.

Separate battery, wired to charge when the engine is running. Hummer was off and the battery was GTG for the hour or so I was there.

Yeah, I guess that would have been handy in Mogadishu.

TR

Im not sure what the set up was in MOG. When we used GAU's in Blackhawks down here(Before the guy shot down his own helo) we had the sep battery. Dont know if it was because we are using FMS birds or as a result of lessons learned.

The Recoil for the 7.62 is around 300 Pounds, for the 20mm around 1500-2000 pounds and for the 30mm close to 6K pounds !!!

That's a bad ass weapon, but this is badder....

http://www.metalstorm.com/04_videos/...eo_advice.html

Go down to the 36 Barrel Prototype, it's 14 Megs and worth every second of the wait.... (cable download, 15 seconds)